Others Haremon [v0.40.1.2] [TsunAmie]

[John Jonner]

Saying the same thing isn't a response, but there was something new and I want to focus on that. The Harem Route, where you get most or all of the girls in a fully equal relationship does not exist and if it does its rare. Even if it did its usually some vague ending.

This guy wants a full game where you can fully max romances. The lover status is a little gift for those who put one girl above the others. Take vex for example. Your devotion to her is what allows her to feel vulnerable enough to open up to you. Its absolutely integral to her as a character. Narratively Being able to get that while claiming that level of devotion for the others ruins her arc. They will not ruin the characters stories for the sake of an official option. They may keep the option for harem mode in the debug version but it wont be a real feature. Fucking quote me on it. And shove it in my face if you want. But considering what TsunAmi have said about their care for the narrative and having the characters feel like real people. Vex is already ok with you fucking around and even after lover status she doesn't care if you fuck the other girls but she is obviously very possessive. It would ruin her arc if she was just OK with it.

Separately from the nerrative resons for it not being a good thing. To address the Code issue. You just don't understand how code is developed. This isnt a game with a framework like rpg maker. The game is ground up. If they were gonna add it in it would be in the 30% complete or bellow. If you genuinely thing rebuilding the code from 50% or more to add a feature your insane. As for you having no issues with Harem mode. Congrats I havent had that experience at all, showing it not as simple as you portray. Because if you knew, The way harem mode works is it makes a check for your status to prevent multiple lover status'. Harem mode removes that check. And how I feel like your bull shitting a bit is the fact that that removal or the check can and does effect quests/dates. I just did a fresh start with harem mode set up since last night and I've already run through the false completion that happens on lovers dates.

I repeated my argument specifically because you said it made no sense to you, so I repeated it in a clearer way in an attempt to orchestrate my argument better, but you seem to not like it regardless so I'm just going to address the points in this new statement

I have no idea where you're coming up with the idea that the harem route where everyone gets treated fairly equally is nonexistent. On the contrary, it's the most common representation of harems in porn games and visual novels, and certainly not just a "nebulous ending" given there are entire games and VNs based on this premise without it solely being a route. It's much more common than harems where you pick only one girl to be your main lover and the rest are your concubines, that's a fairly niche subset of harems for most games. which is, as I said, the entire reason people get confused by the title in this game and what my argument was attempting to achieve in the first place, not defend some other guy's post like you think I'm doing.

Since you're bringing up the game's characterization as an example I suppose I should as well. I don't think Vex is written very realistically. In fact, I don't think any of the characters are written super realistically. Most of the characters are written like most porn game characters are, a trope and baggage that MC helps solve through their heart and their penis. There's nothing wrong with this, but I also don't think it'd immediately ruin her arc if you had multiple lovers. As you said, she is possessive, but that's nothing new when it comes to harem tropes and I've seen plenty of writers have similar characters get over that when it comes to harems.

You're also not wrong when you say I'm somewhat inexperienced when it comes to coding, but I'm also not quite sure where you're coming from when you say they'd have to rewrite over 50% of the codebase that sounds like hyperbole. While we are on the topic of mechanics I would like you to elaborate on why you think me not being fond of replayability when we only have a third of the game is unfair. Criticizing the game for what I do have in front of me is a perfectly valid complaint because I'm criticizing the content for being too tedious to get through as it is, much less if you add 66% more game on top of that, even if they do add more content for the lover routes to incentivize that replayability I simply don't find the gameplay(which is a criticism quite a lot of people have so I'd consider that one valid) interesting enough to dedicate multiple playthroughs too. Nor do I want to break the hearts of characters that I do like just so I can experience more content. It just feels like an oversight on the part of the devs.

 

[comaderikari]

I repeated my argument specifically because you said it made no sense to you, so I repeated it in a clearer way in an attempt to orchestrate my argument better, but you seem to not like it regardless so I'm just going to address the points in this new statement

I have no idea where you're coming up with the idea that the harem route where everyone gets treated fairly equally is nonexistent. On the contrary, it's the most common representation of harems in porn games and visual novels, and certainly not just a "nebulous ending" given there are entire games and VNs based on this premise without it solely being a route. It's much more common than harems where you pick only one girl to be your main lover and the rest are your concubines, that's a fairly niche subset of harems for most games. which is, as I said, the entire reason people get confused by the title in this game and what my argument was attempting to achieve in the first place, not defend some other guy's post like you think I'm doing.

Since you're bringing up the game's characterization as an example I suppose I should as well. I don't think Vex is written very realistically. In fact, I don't think any of the characters are written super realistically. Most of the characters are written like most porn game characters are, a trope and baggage that MC helps solve through their heart and their penis. There's nothing wrong with this, but I also don't think it'd immediately ruin her arc if you had multiple lovers. As you said, she is possessive, but that's nothing new when it comes to harem tropes and I've seen plenty of writers have similar characters get over that when it comes to harems.

You're also not wrong when you say I'm somewhat inexperienced when it comes to coding, but I'm also not quite sure where you're coming from when you say they'd have to rewrite over 50% of the codebase that sounds like hyperbole. While we are on the topic of mechanics I would like you to elaborate on why you think me not being fond of replayability when we only have a third of the game is unfair. Criticizing the game for what I do have in front of me is a perfectly valid complaint because I'm criticizing the content for being too tedious to get through as it is, much less if you add 66% more game on top of that, even if they do add more content for the lover routes to incentivize that replayability I simply don't find the gameplay(which is a criticism quite a lot of people have so I'd consider that one valid) interesting enough to dedicate multiple playthroughs too. Nor do I want to break the hearts of characters that I do like just so I can experience more content. It just feels like an oversight on the part of the devs.

I'll say this because I feel were just talking past each other at this point.

As for part one please show me a harem porn game that fulfills the conditions met.

And for part two thats just disagreeing with my assessment of characters plot importance.

finally ill first answer the latter part of three. Thats honestly your opinion and you are valid for thinking its not good enough. In fact purely as is I would agree with you. I have not played the game more than once. But my reason goes to the issue I have. As for the beta's that we are playing you would be correct. But the full game may and most likely will add far more content and it may/will be necessary to play the game more than once/have ng+. I just dislike assessments about an incomplete game being used as justification for something that will be, "Eventually added in" We don't know if it will even be necessary so there's no reason to believe its some thing that WILL be added. That leads to me addressing the first part of three.

The games code is structured like a tower. This is how most codes are. You HAVE to have a baseline code that handles the functions of the game. Then you build from that. If you add a feature that the foundation doesn't support. It wont work. If you change the foundation for the feature to work. it messes with the foundation which can then cause issues for other functions. So when implementing features for the game unless they wish to restart the foundation every time they add a feature they didnt intend when they made the foundation they have to make features with the foundation in mind. Multiple lovers is not an option within the foundation. The way it 'works' in the debug/cheat is by ignoring the flags for determining whether you are already in a Lovers status or not. But as you can imagine. Thats not a proper or stable solution. And bar them deciding to rewrite the foundation, AGAIN. It won't be a function. I cannot express how much work changing the foundation is.

 

[John Jonner]

I'll say this because I feel were just talking past each other at this point. As for part one please show me a harem porn game that fulfills the conditions met.

Assuming the conditions are a harem game where you treat the girls fairly equally, just off the top of my head:
Evinicle 1 and 2, Tomefure 1 and 2, Harem Kingdom, the harem routes of most of the hara games, most of the games made by milk factory barring the childhood friend route that no one cares about, the nekopara games, and eiyuu senki GOLD just off the top of my head.
Even checking the western games on here that have harem stuff, most don't really have a "pick your favorite as the main wife" system unless the harem is just an individual route, I'm not quite sure where you've gained your perspective on harems but it certainly isn't what I've seen.

 

[comaderikari]

Assuming the conditions are a harem game where you treat the girls fairly equally, just off the top of my head:
Evinicle 1 and 2, Tomefure 1 and 2, Harem Kingdom, the harem routes of most of the hara games, most of the games made by milk factory barring the childhood friend route that no one cares about, the nekopara games, and eiyuu senki GOLD just off the top of my head.
Even checking the western games on here that have harem stuff, most don't really have a "pick your favorite as the main wife" system unless the harem is just an individual route, I'm not quite sure where you've gained your perspective on harems but it certainly isn't what I've seen.

I've played evinicle and unless I missed something there is no way to may all of the girls.(Note I haven't played the last chapter but still. I will say it is a good example of one that works under the needs of the guy for description. Never played tome. If you mean kingdom Harem this is false on the fact that there's no conclusion to the harem, you never declare you even love any(All of) of the girls, at that point its not even a harem its just an orgy. The hara games suffer the same problem. its not a harem its just an orgy the girls all wanting to be fucked isn't the same thing. Hara para is the closest but theres no true harem route where you end up with all of the girls you just fuck them and move on. Milk cow factory "games" are sims for working at a cow girl lactation farm. Sure you get to fuck them and there's a bit of story but i feel like theres got to be some romance/dating sim elements to qualify. And you have to clarify what nekopara games you mean Because i have played and 100% most of them and they are.... better than the cow factory example but you don't really romance any of them except one route at at time. I mean sure you can fuck many of them but thats not the same as romancing multiple girls, like The original guy was asking for with the inclusion of harem mode. Because thats what each girls lover missions/sceenes are, establishing romance with that character. I mean Nina(Miruku) literally addresses it by saying she wants to know if you feel for her for more than sex and your option is the trigger for the lover status. Just picking games where you fuck a bunch of characters and calling it a harem is a little.... Yaknow?

To be fair I feel like this is mostly an issue between me and you disagreeing about what a harem is. But no mater what. Under what the other guy wanted That game doesn't really exist(Hyperbole). Lover routs are confirmations of devotion to that character. Devotion spread out is cheap. and no game gives you the option to make every girl your girlfriend/wife. If its just fucking them thats not what he wants. and its not what can/will probably happen in Haremon.

 

[comaderikari]

I would like to state separately because it wasn't as necessary. Having had plenty of girlfriends in highschool and college, I will say A lot of these "Trope and baggage types" are actually a lot like real women I've known. Vex reminds me of my senior girlfriend in freshman year. Sorry to disappoint you but a good amount of women and men are just tropes and baggage lol.

 

[azraelswegul]

next update this month? apparently it was supposed to come during May but the creator had trouble with some files.

 

[nezuu]

next update this month? apparently it was supposed to come during May but the creator had trouble with some files.

yeah. on Twitter dev said he promise refunds for May so I got mine but I'm still paying ofc

 

[Axle Jones]

yeah. on Twitter dev said he promise refunds for May so I got mine but I'm still paying ofc

you are a god damned saint for keeping us up to date.

im hoping it'll be relatively bug free by time the last of chapter 4 is out since the first half sounded pretty broken

 

[anonzie]

Can you scroll back to previous dialog messages in this game?

 

[Axle Jones]

Can you scroll back to previous dialog messages in this game?

you cant roll back if thats what you mean but there is a message log

 

[nezuu]

Thank God, chapter 4 tomorrow

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[Cramone]

damn cost me a lot defeat with Kitsune alone that psycho Doc Sister

 

[Axle Jones]

Thank God, chapter 4 tomorrow

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thx for the info, cant wait to finally get through chapter 4 just hoping its a relatively stable build

 

[Star Study]

thx for the info, cant wait to finally get through chapter 4 just hoping its a relatively stable build

The best thing I can say about this dev is that they put out patches very fast, so if you want a more relatively stable build of chapter 4 then you can wait a week for I predict at least 2-3 patches to come out in the first week of the update.

 

[nezuu]

Hi everyone! I'm pleased to announce that Haremon 0.35 is finally ready for download! It includes the remainder of Chapter 4. Full details in the changelog below, but first, a few points:

• This build contains MASSIVE spoilers. PLEASE do not mention any spoilers in comments here or elsewhere. There is a specific channel on the Discord for discussing this chapter with spoilers, so go there if you want to talk about it!
• This build has been tested by several people and should be relatively bug-free; still, expect instability and keep autosave on! Report bugs on the Discord or here as usual, but do NOT include any spoiler-y info like the identity of the new Haremon, Awakening, or other story moments.
• The Special Edition archive with the new CGs and music will be available in a few days, in order to prevent spoilers from spreading before people have had a chance to play the build!
• You should turn Tutorials ON in the Settings menu, as there are a few new mechanics throughout this chapter that won't make sense otherwise.

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[Edorath]

which Haremons have content right now? kinda wanna download this game but i want to know exactly how much stuff there's in it

 

[Axle Jones]

which Haremons have content right now? kinda wanna download this game but i want to know exactly how much stuff there's in it

pretty sure they all have at least 2 sex scenes, a regular and a lover one and most characters have some sexts they send you when they're your lover, some have a few extra scenes too and some of the human NPCs also have a few scenes you can get through side quests and other stuff, honestly quite a lot of content but the game has a lot more game than it has porn so i wouldnt recommend it if you're only after the sex scenes

 

[Axle Jones]

The best thing I can say about this dev is that they put out patches very fast, so if you want a more relatively stable build of chapter 4 then you can wait a week for I predict at least 2-3 patches to come out in the first week of the update.

yeah they definitely are great at patching but i know compared to chapter 3 the first half of chapter 4 was very buggy at first which is why i didnt bother updating, im just hoping its not as bad this time

 

[Hinatsukino]

Is there a debug mode?

 

[Axle Jones]

Is there a debug mode?

yes there is, if you search debug in the search bar you should be able to find many posts on how to access it