VN Ren'Py Heaven's Door [Ch. 3 v0.3] [AlterWorlds]

[Elduriel]

Oh, sure--I'm not endorsing this theory, just thinking through it. If she's been trying to reach MC every week, from different numbers, for 3+ months, it's probably something serious, but whether it's this is completely unknown. But it's an interesting thought, and if it is the case, I think it would explain her being so persistent in trying to reach him.

if MC was that bothered by it he should have changed his number instead of just blocking her

 

[MorallyLucky]

if MC was that bothered by it he should have changed his number instead of just blocking her

That sounds like a terrible move especially if you're a ceo lol. A lot of people that probably aren't that close to you personally will want to reach out only to find you changed your number. The only time it makes sense to change numbers in general is if you have a limited social circle and you don't use your phone professionally.

 

[idkWHYimHERE52]

That sounds like a terrible move especially if you're a ceo lol. A lot of people that probably aren't that close to you personally will want to reach out only to find you changed your number. The only time it makes sense to change numbers in general is if you have a limited social circle and you don't use your phone professionally.

I feel like most influential people would have different personal numbers, and business numbers.

 

[Elduriel]

I feel like most influential people would have different personal numbers, and business numbers.

don't have to be "influential" to have a company phone, it's pretty standard. But you wouldn't keep that number secret from a significant other either. I never did. My colleagues or bosses neither. My family didn't have that number for example but my girlfriend did.

 

[SpyderArachnid]

Spoiler: maybe I'm just late to the party, but did anyone else see this?

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[MorallyLucky]

I feel like most influential people would have different personal numbers, and business numbers.

Yes but you will have to do it from the get go, a lot of people don't expect how busy/intertwined their work life will become with their personal life so they think they can just use the same phone number for both. But sometimes it becomes too late to separate the two.

 

[MorallyLucky]

Spoiler: maybe I'm just late to the party, but did anyone else see this?

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is that if you "lead the way"?

 

[Rehwyn]

Spoiler: maybe I'm just late to the party, but did anyone else see this?

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Slockie is well known for his very creative variable names.

 

[O1duvai]

God, I honestly love the game. I like the way it looks and even like the plot. Distantly. Because the further you go, the more the protagonist’s personality becomes worse.

At first we see an absolutely adequate, sad character. Not someone who found himself in a trash heap, clearly possessing dignity.
And then the circus begins. First, in a conversation at the club, he mentions that he left the section because of a coach who was a tyrant, a racist, and so on. That is, the sense of justice rose up. THEN. We see a flashback from another past, more recent one. Where, having seen the betrayal, he rode the tower and began beating the dude. But we don't care about that. This is a common state of passion after news of cancer. The important thing is that in a conversation with the bride, he understands that she was deceived, she fucking kneels in front of him, actually humiliating herself, and this miracle doesn’t even ask her to get up. ALREADY REALIZED that she was deceived (anyone can be deceived, they don’t have neural networks yet).
AND HE BLOCKED HER FUCKING EVERYWHERE. That is, even after thinking it over, he did not apologize or try to end on a neutral note. NOTHING. The girl said “it’s not you” and I agree with her. This is literally a different character and it’s not clear WHY he changed. There is no longer any way to hide behind the news about cancer, because enough time has passed.

Then, at one of the dinners, the phrase “what makes you think I’m ready to share” pops up. This means women. He says that whoever makes out with the whole bar, with five girls at the same time. That is, a person who created the impression of being absolutely adequate suddenly acquired an exorbitant sense of self-importance and the highest degree of narcissism. In the background, the girls themselves allow him, in plain text, to fuck them one by one (potentially for now). Well, because... Out of pity.
He can, but girls can't. At the same time, he beat up someone who held the SAME POINT OF VIEW.

Then another phrase appears, after which my chair has already burned out. This one:
Fucked up. From an adequate person with dignity, getting into a potential fight just because he can, he turned into a masculine asshole who wants “something more active” instead of going shopping with a girl, because “well, have pity on me, I’m dying” (because the idiot himself decided not to even try to get treatment).

And with the magic hand of the author, all the girls indulge this, as if not noticing this bipolar fuckup.
But what got me was this:

We probably hate adequately written characters just as much.
And if in the previous game there were exactly ZERO male models and this was an obvious harem. A narrow genre, predictable from the very beginning. Here, we had an adequate character at first, who turned into an asshole later. And only he can fuck married women, and virgins, and all at once, probably, I don’t even know, based on their primary sexual characteristics?

I sincerely hope that the character develops and changes in some way. But, I know the AVN industry, I don’t think I’ll expect anything.

 

[Elduriel]

Spoiler: maybe I'm just late to the party, but did anyone else see this?

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yeah someone posted this yesterday I think already but it's still funny

 

[MorallyLucky]

Then another phrase appears, after which my chair has already burned out. This one:

Fucked up. From an adequate person with dignity, getting into a potential fight just because he can, he turned into a masculine asshole who wants “something more active” instead of going shopping with a girl, because “well, have pity on me, I’m dying” (because the idiot himself decided not to even try to get treatment).

I read that more as banter than an actual opinion... Also, if you've ever been on a shopping spree with a woman, you'd perfectly understand having even a smidgen of frustration.

 

[O1duvai]

I read that more as banter than an actual opinion... Also, if you've ever been on a shopping spree with a woman, you'd perfectly understand having even a smidgen of frustration.

I've gone shopping with women and I'm smart enough not to whine halfway through because I(!) agreed to it. I am familiar with the most banal rules of decency and I don’t want to look like a pig. And yes, of course we can again refer to depression, social complaints, pity, “oh my God I’m dying... (let’s fuck?)” and so on. It just doesn't work like that. Or he is an over-aged infantile. This point has passed. He has known about the diagnosis for a long time. And he himself agreed to die without doing anything - a long time ago.

Oh yeah, a few sentences later we'll get that. Awesome. I f&cking felt ashamed through the screen in front of the girl.


This is not the same character we saw in the first chapter. Although not much time and events have passed. Not an adult, sad man who understands what is good/bad, who even respects strippers. This is a completely different asshole.

 

[MorallyLucky]

I've gone shopping with women and I'm smart enough not to whine halfway through because I(!) agreed to it. I am familiar with the most banal rules of decency and I don’t want to look like a pig. And yes, of course we can again refer to depression, social complaints, pity, “oh my God I’m dying... (let’s fuck?)” and so on. It just doesn't work like that. Or he is an over-aged infantile. This point has passed. He has known about the diagnosis for a long time. And he himself agreed to die without doing anything - a long time ago.

That's like saying you agreed to a porn shoot and it turns out it's for a pegging video. Most people agree to a 1 hour to 2 hour commitment, not a 5 hour gig at the mall while spending almost 45 minutes at each shop... that's soul draining.

 

[Aninass]

THEN. We see a flashback from another past, more recent one. Where, having seen the betrayal, he rode the tower and began beating the dude. But we don't care about that. This is a common state of passion after news of cancer. The important thing is that in a conversation with the bride, he understands that she was deceived, she fucking kneels in front of him, actually humiliating herself, and this miracle doesn’t even ask her to get up. ALREADY REALIZED that she was deceived (anyone can be deceived, they don’t have neural networks yet).

LOL what? You don't fuck someone else before you confront them, decieved or not.

 

[O1duvai]

LOL what? You don't fuck someone else before you confront them, decieved or not.

Again. There is a fact. Then - a stuffed face. AFTER THIS there is a dialogue in which it turns out that someone was an idiot and was deceived. And now the question: the person who previously shouted the most about the fact that he does not like humiliation and, for example, racism, definitely will not TAKE THIS FACT into account? Either he lied to us that he left the section because of a conflict with the coach (he simply shit himself from the difficulty of the training), or the character’s character SUDDENLY changed. We draw this conclusion because AFTER A TIME he still hasn’t talked to his ex-fiancee. NOT THE MOMENT WHEN I ENTERED THE APARTMENT, but after that.

That's like saying you agreed to a porn shoot and it turns out it's for a pegging video. Most people agree to a 1 hour to 2 hour commitment, not a 5 hour gig at the mall while spending almost 45 minutes at each shop... that's soul draining.

First of all, I'm not interested in fantasies. The scene, in terms of game time, did not take a whole day. Secondly, your example is crap, that’s why it doesn’t have equivalent solutions. If you are an adult male, within a 30-32 year radius, you know what you are getting into. And this whining looks like a pathetic attempt to play on pity for the poor thing with cancer.

I'm not interested in your opinion about going shopping with a girl for clothes. I wrote about how the character is presented. Like a whining asshole, looking for pity where most pride will not allow.

P.S. Important. Also, I have no problem with the fact that many people play games through the gallery or ctrl and are ready to eat mediocre text. And yes, I fully believe that plenty of people behave like bipolars. One thing is not clear: why the hell do I need this in the game.
And - no, “porn logic” does not work here and is not applicable, since the author spends most of his time on the plot, while we have 1-2 specific scenes per chapter.

 

[MorallyLucky]

The scene, in terms of game time, did not take a whole day

Ah yes, the game has to handhold you through an extremely atrocious common experience that 80% of men can relate to. It was a 90 minute shopping slog, anyone with half a brain can tell how crazy that is.

 

[Rehwyn]

This is literally a different character and it’s not clear WHY he changed. There is no longer any way to hide behind the news about cancer, because enough time has passed.

It is incredibly common for people to have large, lingering personality changes upon receiving a terminal diagnosis. This is particularly true for high-achieving professionals in their late 20s and early 30s where a terminal diagnosis often creates a profound "identity crisis".

There's a laundry list of common changes, but in particular those include:

• Heightened need for control: Hannah's actions are a direct challenge to this. Him blocking her is entirely in line with trends of wanting to regain control. This could even contribute to a feeling of needing to control who partners can be with (like girls at the club).
• Emotional volatility: Rapid shifts between hope, anger, sadness, calm, and anxiety.
• Social narrowing: Withdrawal from peers who cannot relate; intolerance for platitudes.
• Time compression and urgency: Increased focus on immediacy, such as important conversations, experiences, or legacy-related actions, and reduced tolerance for feelings of 'wasting time'.

What you are seeing is a MC struggling with this. I guarantee a significant part of the plot will be him learning to deal with it.

 

[Elduriel]

It is incredibly common for people to have large, lingering personality changes upon receiving a terminal diagnosis. This is particularly true for high-achieving professionals in their late 20s and early 30s where a terminal diagnosis often creates a profound "identity crisis".

There's a laundry list of common changes, but in particular those include:

• Heightened need for control: Hannah's actions are a direct challenge to this. Him blocking her is entirely in line with trends of wanting to regain control. This could even contribute to a feeling of needing to control who partners can be with (like girls at the club).
• Emotional volatility: Rapid shifts between hope, anger, sadness, calm, and anxiety.
• Social narrowing: Withdrawal from peers who cannot relate; intolerance for platitudes.
• Time compression and urgency: Increased focus on immediacy, such as important conversations, experiences, or legacy-related actions, and reduced tolerance for feelings of 'wasting time'.

What you are seeing is a MC struggling with this. I guarantee a significant part of the plot will be him learning to deal with it.

this reads like an AI summary

 

[Rehwyn]

this reads like an AI summary

Too few em dashes. It's the bullet points though, isn't it?

Though admittedly it's been a decade or so since I learned the most common changes in school, so I used Google to refresh my memory when writing that. So you're not entirely wrong.

 

[O1duvai]

It is incredibly common for people to have large, lingering personality changes upon receiving a terminal diagnosis. This is particularly true for high-achieving professionals in their late 20s and early 30s where a terminal diagnosis often creates a profound "identity crisis".

There's a laundry list of common changes, but in particular those include:

• Heightened need for control: Hannah's actions are a direct challenge to this. Him blocking her is entirely in line with trends of wanting to regain control. This could even contribute to a feeling of needing to control who partners can be with (like girls at the club).
• Emotional volatility: Rapid shifts between hope, anger, sadness, calm, and anxiety.
• Social narrowing: Withdrawal from peers who cannot relate; intolerance for platitudes.
• Time compression and urgency: Increased focus on immediacy, such as important conversations, experiences, or legacy-related actions, and reduced tolerance for feelings of 'wasting time'.

What you are seeing is a MC struggling with this. I guarantee a significant part of the plot will be him learning to deal with it.

There is one problem. I'm not sure that the author is a doctor. Also, I am sure that there are at least a few doctors among the players. We, as observers from the outside and influencing VERY indirectly, consider that the audience should receive direct information. The storyteller must tell us what happens to the protagonist in order to avoid omissions. For example, he could do this through one of the doctors dealing with the protagonist’s head. Or it could have been some kind of email from other doctors. But we have NONE of this. We see a schizophrenic who contradicts himself. And the only, most obvious explanation is bad text, and not medical terms and diagnoses.
The author can push his own tastes and okay, I don’t mind. But in this case, the character is simply poorly written.

this reads like an AI summary

Again, this is no problem if the AI gives trivial information. The quote from Wikipedia has the same semantic weight. It just takes longer to search.

Ah yes, the game has to handhold you through an extremely atrocious common experience that 80% of men can relate to. It was a 90 minute shopping slog, anyone with half a brain can tell how crazy that is.

Disclaimer, dude. There are lines of text for this. This can also be conveyed by the emotions on the model’s face. But we don’t see any of the above. The protagonist just whines, acts like an asshole and uses his phone. All. What it looks like is what it is.
And the funny thing is, we have these black screens with text. But he is not there at this very moment. Therefore - no, your story that whining in a store with a girl is either normal or generally accepted is nonsense.