Great game, I'm really invested in this story
Did Noah really leave? What happens after?, I really wanna know
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Did Noah really leave? What happens after?, I really wanna know
I sorta agree. I admit I actually did do a lot of wandering around at each timeslot for the majority of the game, because I really enjoy stumbling upon those free-roam NTR scenes, but there definitely should be some sorta mechanic (I like the idea of the flower idea you suggested) that is subtle and saves everyone time, for the next game of course.
That was actually the plan at first, to have some kind of big open world where the characters of the previous games could be found and interacted with, all the while playing an important part in the storyline. That project is on the back of my mind for now, and I might come back to it at some point, but I'm not sure people would be interested in it, and it would be too great of an endeavour at the moment. I'm planning to maybe have some of the characters of the previous games come back as unimportant NPCs in HC3, just as an easter egg, but I'll keep the details a secret. I haven't really thought further than HC3 for now. One game at a time^^
Thanks!
Got it, I'll see how I can change that. The faces of the characters in HC3 being smaller than in HC2, I'm not sure a blush limited to the cheeks would be noticeable at all. If the cheeks don't work, I'll tone down the pink shade a lot, so it looks less out of place.
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I went back and started on HC1 after writing that post, and I got to the part where the MC is given a magic board that tracks the girls, haha. So N_Taii obviously thought of this problem before, but dropped it for HC2's more complicated day/time system.
First of all, thank you for your kind review : )
When you mean the scenes, you mean the freeroam events, right? Since a huge majority of the scenes in the quests cannot be missed.
As you've said in your comment above, I had used the magic board in HC1, but it was probably the most hair-pulling system in HC1, because I had to think of the location of every girl at every time a through all timeframes. This was the cause of most bugs, as I usually missed stuff left and right, forgot about one of the characters moving from one map to another, and I had to come back to fix it. And that was only with four women and a linear storyline. Now, imagine with 5, of which 3 have optional storylines. That's why I decided I'd rely on the quest journal entirely in HC2.
However, a system that simply lets the player know of existing freeroam events and their location, rather than telling where the characters are at all time, could be feasible.
While I really like the flower idea, I don't want to give players obvious visual hints on the map. The reason is that some players would rather not be spoiled about freeroam events, and would prefer discovering them on their own. Having the flowers right in front of their eyes might spoil the fun for them.
I am currently making the interior of a magic shop for HC3, so I'm thinking maybe adding four magic balls in the MC's room, one for each female character, that glows a certain color for each character when the MC interacts with them. If it glows, there is a freeroam event going on. If not, well, there's nothing to be found. Whatever I do, it will always be slightly immersion breaking, but I guess by adding a certain backstory and a bit of context, it could work fine : )
I don't have an answer for that, I'm afraid. I really wanted to leave that open for player interperetation. Some might say it's lazy writing and not having the ability to create a proper ending, but I know that NTR games have a different impact on everyone, and I want to let this guide their imagination and decide the outcome of the ending. Should Aywin be left alone and should Noah go on a journey on his own or, in spite of everything that happened, should they be allowed a shot at an happy ending anyway? This time, it's the player who controls the story : )
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I love the idea of magic ball that glows to let you know there's something to go and look for, and for which girl, without having to tell you exactly where. You could make them gifts from the girls instead, to make it more natural. Like one girl gives you a bracelet, one girl gives you a comb, etc. The MC puts them on display in their room because these are of course treasured gifts, and these are the items that light up when you pass near to indicate events. Why do they glow? Uhh. Something something the magic of love guiding two souls together.
Obviously it's preferable that everything would be findable in a natural way, like you get a quest to deliver a letter and pass by a h-scene on the way. But that might be hard to do for every scene you might want to show, and players generally don't want to miss anything. But I feel what you mean when you say it will be a little immersion breaking, so maybe give players the option to turn the system on or off when you start the game? Like how some games let you turn on/off certain fetishes.
"Would you like to be subtly guided when there is an event to find?
Yes/No"
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What a fantastic game. I personally loved the NTR in this one more than the 1st chapter. While I have some small opinions about some of the gameplay elements, I understand that there's no easy way to fix it within that game engine.
I know people really like the "Happy ending," but I much rather prefer the "true ending" which was more bittersweet and realistic. It fits an NTR story. I really dislike super happy endings in NTR games. Revenge endings are fine since it's corruption completely taking over and definitely not a "good" ending.
By the way, was there a mystery only route? It's been a while since I've played from the beginning so I don't know if that was a toggle. I feel like I've seen an option to turn sex scenes from fmc pov off, but I wasn't sure if that was for all of them.
Now, a minor opinion that I have. Actually, now that I think about it, all my opinions are just personal preference but I'll say them anyways. I feel as if Celis's return from degradation and corruption was way too fast before the scene where the MC is given ending options. Disregarding how the MC felt about Celis, she never seemed to have difficulty still loving the MC. One moment she's completely taken by her abuser, then the next she forgets it all like it never happened and goes to the MC. Her suffering just wasn't enough. I wanted to see more inner conflict and remorse disconnected from the sex. Maybe a scene or two (not sex scenes) before she makes the decision to follow the MC where he makes the choice about the ending. Then again, this is one of the biggest reasons why I don't like good endings in NTR stories.
Maybe I missed some free roam scenes?
Anyways, besides my minor opinions about ntr stories, you made a fantastic game. I am very much looking forward to your next one.
I know people really like the "Happy ending," but I much rather prefer the "true ending" which was more bittersweet and realistic. It fits an NTR story. I really dislike super happy endings in NTR games. Revenge endings are fine since it's corruption completely taking over and definitely not a "good" ending.
By the way, was there a mystery only route? It's been a while since I've played from the beginning so I don't know if that was a toggle. I feel like I've seen an option to turn sex scenes from fmc pov off, but I wasn't sure if that was for all of them.
Now, a minor opinion that I have. Actually, now that I think about it, all my opinions are just personal preference but I'll say them anyways. I feel as if Celis's return from degradation and corruption was way too fast before the scene where the MC is given ending options. Disregarding how the MC felt about Celis, she never seemed to have difficulty still loving the MC. One moment she's completely taken by her abuser, then the next she forgets it all like it never happened and goes to the MC. Her suffering just wasn't enough. I wanted to see more inner conflict and remorse disconnected from the sex. Maybe a scene or two (not sex scenes) before she makes the decision to follow the MC where he makes the choice about the ending. Then again, this is one of the biggest reasons why I don't like good endings in NTR stories.
Maybe I missed some free roam scenes?
Anyways, besides my minor opinions about ntr stories, you made a fantastic game. I am very much looking forward to your next one.
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no they dont really relate at all, but i do recommend playing both in whatever order, as theyre both good
To be completely honest with you, I am not that worried about a little immersion-breaking here and there. HC2 had a litteral book in the MC's room that taught the game's control and a board that listed the game's quest. That's pretty immersion-breaking in itself, but necessary to help out players.
While a comb or a bracelet sound good on papers, they would either need to be huge in comparison to the player sprite in order to be visible when they glow. Having a comb the size of a human leg might be a lot more immersion breaking than anything else^^ That's why I think the magic balls work well: they're big enough to be seen easily, can work as decoration in the MC's room without standing up too much, and their magical properties can be easily explained.
And I hope it will be better^^ One thing I'm 100% of is that the visuals will be greatly improved, with custom sprites tens/hundreds of hours spent doing the maps.
Thanks! : )
I alwas prefer some kind of bittersweet feeling to the True Ending, simply because I find it most fitting with the underlying tone of the game. However, different players have different expectations. which is why I did several different endings.
Happy endings are probably the most complicated, because writing some kind of redemption arc in one update for a character I spent 15 updates corrupting, well, it's always really difficult.
I usually write most of the NTR'd female character as something akin to junkies, with the pleasure of sex gradually growing into an addicition. This explain why they can appear completely corrupted during a scene, but thinking more logically the next moment, as they came down from their "high". This helps make moment like the one between Noah and Celis right before the 1st choice more easily understandable despite what happened in the sex scenes before it, although it might not feel 100% believable from a player's PoV.
Got it, I'll give it a look and fix that. It'll probably take some more time until I release a fixed version, as I'm waiting for more potential bug reports before I do, so I don't release a new version for each bug. Thank you!
They are only set in the same world, and some character from one game might pop up in the other (actually, just one of them). But even if you haven't played HC1 first, it won't change anything.
Can't tell, really. All the character sprites are custom made, so it'll not only depend on how fast I progress, but how fast the artists make the sprites too.
Btw, here are some sneak peeks of the new maps I made for HC3, which I already posted on my Patreon:
The sprite is the MC's adopted sister, I'm just using it as a placeholder for now. Windows still need to be added.
The sprite is the MC's adopted sister, I'm just using it as a placeholder for now. Windows still need to be added.
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This is my first post, so I'm going to just go ahead and spoiler most of this because I'm not sure what the rules are in that regard or how to format individual parts of the text to be spoilers without it looking very weird and with giant breaks in the middle.
First, I just want to say the game has a very interesting story with its themes. I'm not really fond of NTR but I think this story is probably one of the better ones to include it due to the nature of the "corruption" as it were, in that it feels like its far more realistic due to a lot of the corruption seemingly coming from taking advantage of emotional vulnerability and exploiting situations rather than just straight up mind break due to "this dick is too good!", that's often seen in NTR. Especially since there's still obvious signs of the characters still struggling against their "stealers" and how their feelings and relationships for Noah and others are still there, even in the worst endings. Which honestly makes it even more emotionally tugging since you can how close Noah could have been to changing everything.
First, I just want to say the game has a very interesting story with its themes. I'm not really fond of NTR but I think this story is probably one of the better ones to include it due to the nature of the "corruption" as it were, in that it feels like its far more realistic due to a lot of the corruption seemingly coming from taking advantage of emotional vulnerability and exploiting situations rather than just straight up mind break due to "this dick is too good!", that's often seen in NTR. Especially since there's still obvious signs of the characters still struggling against their "stealers" and how their feelings and relationships for Noah and others are still there, even in the worst endings. Which honestly makes it even more emotionally tugging since you can how close Noah could have been to changing everything.
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Considering everything that happened to the protagonist I think I prefer the revenge ending at times.
Also, maybe I'm just missing something, but what happens to Vaeri in the true and happy endings? I definitely remember her in revenge and am pretty sure I remember her showing up in the bad ending, so I was a little surprised she's never mentioned, unless I'm just dumb and completely missed it. Espicially since her last scene, that I recall anyway, had her struggling with the fact that she knows she's gone off the deep end and her regrets toward Noah and her family, which I thought could/would have been an interesting thing to explore in the endings where everyone else who made mistakes essentially grew from it. I'd be a little surprised if the revenge ending gives her the most character growth/conclusion, with her vowing to do whatever it takes to atone for her past sins by serving Noah when almost every other character just kind of accepts the situation with "I guess this is how it is now".
I still have to ask why doesn't the saves of 15 and beyond show in the game when you put them in the save folder any idea? So far they all just don't show up.
and is there any way to fix it.
Right now would have to go through the entire story again to access happy ending but not really up to fully playing through it again.
and is there any way to fix it.
Right now would have to go through the entire story again to access happy ending but not really up to fully playing through it again.