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Can anybody help me I am stuck at this quest where after envar ( Noah's father) death zeno visits Noah's mother and mistakenly drops a paper and t it to he quest tells us to return it to zeno but I can't find him anywhere in all days and nights please help me as the story isn't progressing
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I am stuck at this quest where after envar ( Noah's father) death zeno visits Noah's mother and mistakenly drops a paper and t it to he quest tells us to return it to zeno but I can't find him anywhere in all days and nights please help me as the story isn't progressing
So, a while back now I played through the first game in the series, and posted my thoughts on the routes back in that thread. I'll probably do the same for this one once I've finished; right now I feel like I'm something like half or two-thirds through (in terms of main plot, just wrapped up the outing at the swimming hole / waterfall). In case things were active here, though, I was interested in getting others' thoughts: is anyone else a little disappointed in the main heroine route?
(Disclaimer: I'm enjoying the game a ton, I think it's great, and I've found all of the scenes, including hers, to be intensely erotic. Think of all of this more as 'post-nut clarity' type thoughts).
Like obviously I'm going to reserve final judgement until when I've finished, but at the moment her story-line comes across to me as having a pretty bad case of "Magic NTR Cock". She's been explicitly told the 'training' thing was a lie, so can't blame extreme naivety anymore. She doesn't come across as being physically forced (at least not in the sense that she actively tries to physically resist, anyway), nor is she being blackmailed. She's not even being particularly subjected to focused pleasure torture / will-breaking, like say in the BDSM side-plot. It just comes across as having sex a few times is enough to get her hooked on the pleasure and / or awoken to her complete submissive side. Even more than that, in some cases plots like those at least have it happen after the FL had previously had sex with the ML, so that she can objectively know that the ML is 'sexually inferior' and can't make her feel like that, but that excuse doesn't even exist here. Bottom line, it reads as her consciously choosing sexual gratification at the cost of hurting someone she claims to love.
It's not even that I object to that sort of story-line entirely (I mentioned in my big write-up for the first game, but I do totally get that you have to be willing to accept a degree of 'NTR logic'), but I do think it's a bit unfortunate to pull it with the main heroine, since it makes her relatively unsympathetic, which is a loss.
Anyway, like I said, interested in others' thoughts, and will talk about if / how my own change by the time I finish! If folk do respond, please know that I'll likely not take a look until I finish the game just in case of spoilers, but I absolutely will then!
(Disclaimer: I'm enjoying the game a ton, I think it's great, and I've found all of the scenes, including hers, to be intensely erotic. Think of all of this more as 'post-nut clarity' type thoughts).
Like obviously I'm going to reserve final judgement until when I've finished, but at the moment her story-line comes across to me as having a pretty bad case of "Magic NTR Cock". She's been explicitly told the 'training' thing was a lie, so can't blame extreme naivety anymore. She doesn't come across as being physically forced (at least not in the sense that she actively tries to physically resist, anyway), nor is she being blackmailed. She's not even being particularly subjected to focused pleasure torture / will-breaking, like say in the BDSM side-plot. It just comes across as having sex a few times is enough to get her hooked on the pleasure and / or awoken to her complete submissive side. Even more than that, in some cases plots like those at least have it happen after the FL had previously had sex with the ML, so that she can objectively know that the ML is 'sexually inferior' and can't make her feel like that, but that excuse doesn't even exist here. Bottom line, it reads as her consciously choosing sexual gratification at the cost of hurting someone she claims to love.
It's not even that I object to that sort of story-line entirely (I mentioned in my big write-up for the first game, but I do totally get that you have to be willing to accept a degree of 'NTR logic'), but I do think it's a bit unfortunate to pull it with the main heroine, since it makes her relatively unsympathetic, which is a loss.
Anyway, like I said, interested in others' thoughts, and will talk about if / how my own change by the time I finish! If folk do respond, please know that I'll likely not take a look until I finish the game just in case of spoilers, but I absolutely will then!
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Yeah, that's pretty much the case. She's however old and deeply in love, but Noah was never sexually motivated. I remember her being resistant, but wearing down over time. And then choosing to thank Edwyr for saving Noah, at one point. He obviously goes for the sexual reward he wants, and she agrees. At that point she loves Noah, but can't explore the sexual pleasures she's starting to feel with him, and is genuinely grateful that he was saved. She sacrifices something she treasured and wanted to give to Noah, to the man who saved him, because of how deeply she loves Noah. It's a twisted love, but that's the motivation at first. And then yeah, she loses herself to pleasure. You may think it's a bad trope, but personally it's one of my favorite ways to handle NTR progression.
True, but in this case it's that Noah was either so asexual or sexually repressed (although it seems more that he's just 'sexually absent', or totally innocent) that Celis wasn't going to get a good sex life out of him. But she's sorely in love with him, and would have married and accepted him that way if Edwyr had never corrupted her. She'd have gone on focused on training and maybe one day her and Noah get married and have short but unfulfilling sex sessions, and it's fine for her because she never experiences anything else.
Yep, but as said, at the beginning it's not at the cost of Noah, it's gratitude that she still has him. She believes he'd have been dead/exiled (can't remember, been a while since I played) if Edwyr hadn't intervened. She'd have lost him forever, and thanks to Edwyr he's still alive. It's dark, it's twisted, it's fucked up, but she thanks him with sexual self sacrifice, without understanding that's the start of her downfall. She expects it to be a one-off, but Edwyr gets pushy with her after this, as you just saw in the waterfall scenes.
Yeah, I think a lot of people have mentioned being unsympathetic to Celis and co. I don't particular think that's important though. As the player, we want to see her fall; exploring and seeing her corruption is the important part. As you say, the story has to bend to a bit of NTR Logic ultimately to make the lewds better. I don't think you're ever supposed to be sympathetic to the fallen women in NTR stories, because, even the stories that start with non-con, eventually they get addicted to sexual pleasure and fall in love with their abuser, destroying a perfectly wholesome relationship for the sake of pussy pleasure. That's... kinda the point.
First, thanks for the response, QN! As mentioned, not actually reading it yet, but I definitely will (and directly respond with any thoughts) once I've finished the game.
I don't want to turn this into me live-blogging my thoughts on the game, but in the interest of not leaving relatively negative thoughts here until whenever I finish, I wanted to update that I've played a bit further, through the next major event (being caught as a 'spy' at the army base). I feel like things are back to a plot-line that I can get behind again, with very direct blackmail, and, I'm guessing, a trajectory of losing herself in the pleasure of it over time, between a combination of it just feeling that good and also her wanting to run from the pain of the situation.
(I do have to say that the scenes prior to that in the camp did just exacerbate my earlier thoughts, with Celis basically acting completely broken, even within internal monologue, and even with absolutely all truth directly flung in her face, but I'm happy to write that sequence of events off and re-start from where things are now. Looking forward to finishing and getting to engage more with others' thoughts!)
I don't want to turn this into me live-blogging my thoughts on the game, but in the interest of not leaving relatively negative thoughts here until whenever I finish, I wanted to update that I've played a bit further, through the next major event (being caught as a 'spy' at the army base). I feel like things are back to a plot-line that I can get behind again, with very direct blackmail, and, I'm guessing, a trajectory of losing herself in the pleasure of it over time, between a combination of it just feeling that good and also her wanting to run from the pain of the situation.
(I do have to say that the scenes prior to that in the camp did just exacerbate my earlier thoughts, with Celis basically acting completely broken, even within internal monologue, and even with absolutely all truth directly flung in her face, but I'm happy to write that sequence of events off and re-start from where things are now. Looking forward to finishing and getting to engage more with others' thoughts!)
Double-posting rather than editing since I think this will be more than long enough as it is. Finished the game (through the 'good' ending, still need to do post-game and other endings, but enough that I'm no longer worried about spoilers), so gonna share final thoughts. Will put most under a spoiler just to save space, but first:
To put in other words / summarize, you say "as the player, we want to see her fall"; perfect NTR, to me, (and at the risk of being crude on a porn site!) has my mind, my emotions, my morality, want desperately for her to save herself, but my libido, my arousal -- in other words, thinking with my dick -- for her to fall hard. Basically, by the very act of enjoying it as much as I do, I would be mirroring the same sort of fall to pleasure over morality that the character is experiencing.
Anyway! Enough of my philosophizing on the nature of NTR, on to my game thoughts! Potential full spoilers ahead, read at own risk.
Spoiler-free summary thoughts: on the whole, Chapter 2 had more that let me down than Chapter 1, but I don't think that makes it a worse game. It's clear to me that 2 aimed higher, in terms of scope of what it wanted to achieve, so by the very act of there being 'more', there was going to be more opportunity for misses. By the same token, though, there was also more that I loved, and opportunity for higher highs. Perhaps the most important bottom line is that I'm still left very much looking forward to Chapter 3. Wrapping up post-game and other endings comes first, of course, and then likely another break, but then I'll be excited to catch up with folk in the thread for 3!
The thing is, I feel like I am in complete agreement with everything you say here about the point of NTR, except that makes me come to the conclusion that the sympathy is very important! Recognizing that this is a matter of personal preference, but might help understand where I'm coming from: the things I tend to find hottest are the *process* of the corruption, and the *contrast* between the start and the end. If a girl gives in too easily, I'm generally going to feel like either I was robbed of viewing steps of the process, or else that there wasn't much of a contrast to start with (e.g. the difference, to me, between an NTR genre thing vs something being just straight-up cheating on the part of the woman).
To put in other words / summarize, you say "as the player, we want to see her fall"; perfect NTR, to me, (and at the risk of being crude on a porn site!) has my mind, my emotions, my morality, want desperately for her to save herself, but my libido, my arousal -- in other words, thinking with my dick -- for her to fall hard. Basically, by the very act of enjoying it as much as I do, I would be mirroring the same sort of fall to pleasure over morality that the character is experiencing.
Anyway! Enough of my philosophizing on the nature of NTR, on to my game thoughts! Potential full spoilers ahead, read at own risk.
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Spoiler-free summary thoughts: on the whole, Chapter 2 had more that let me down than Chapter 1, but I don't think that makes it a worse game. It's clear to me that 2 aimed higher, in terms of scope of what it wanted to achieve, so by the very act of there being 'more', there was going to be more opportunity for misses. By the same token, though, there was also more that I loved, and opportunity for higher highs. Perhaps the most important bottom line is that I'm still left very much looking forward to Chapter 3. Wrapping up post-game and other endings comes first, of course, and then likely another break, but then I'll be excited to catch up with folk in the thread for 3!
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I saw this game when i first entered this site and still didn't know the meaning of all the tags, now i know.
Seeing this game at the time i played for a bit and i must say, the plot made me feel so much disconfort i felt physically bad for a while.
That being said, anyone here ever felt that because of a ntr story?
I'm used to mc's taking multiple women, and sometimes swinging etc, even some stories that have ntr (usually avoiable) didn't impress me so much, but in this story even when the mc shouldn't care much sometimes... it felt wrong...
Seeing this game at the time i played for a bit and i must say, the plot made me feel so much disconfort i felt physically bad for a while.
That being said, anyone here ever felt that because of a ntr story?
I'm used to mc's taking multiple women, and sometimes swinging etc, even some stories that have ntr (usually avoiable) didn't impress me so much, but in this story even when the mc shouldn't care much sometimes... it felt wrong...
This is just for myself as my phone that i am writing with might get replaced. As such I'm leaving this save file for me... I hope future me could finish the game.. and still loves celis just as much as i am right now. Good luck soldier.
I'm veery late for this game
but man the last posts are true
celis and the mother a the biggest bitches ever created
the best character of this game are obviously noah, the father and may
no one else
but man the last posts are true
celis and the mother a the biggest bitches ever created
the best character of this game are obviously noah, the father and may
no one else
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It's never too late to shit on Aywin and especially on that bitch Celis.
It's funny, like to the extent it might even seem contradictory given my earlier posts, but I don't actually really get the level of vitriol I see directed at those two. (Not just referencing the above posts, I saw it pretty commonly expressed throughout the thread, having caught up on it).
I think part of it is that one of the sorts of 'NTR Logic' I'm willing to accept is the idea of (good) sex being like a sort of drug, as I think Taii expressed it at some point in the thread. Basically, if a story is running on that logic, as this one seems to, then it's hard for me to ascribe fault for actions taken when they're in that state. Given the end-game has them pretty much constantly getting fucked, and the rare times they aren't and get to interact with Noah they're still very clearly 100% on his side, I never really get that sense of betrayal. Like, I feel like the big betrayal moment is meant to be (late-game spoiler) when they spill the beans on the escape plan to Zeno, but given that was done as the result of pleasure-torture, it comes across to me less as betrayal and more just being compromised.
As contrast / for reference, if I had to point to where I *did* feel the biggest betrayal, it would probably be way earlier, (mid-game spoiler) on the way back from the Forest Elves, when Celis chooses to go off with Edwyr. In that case, she's under no sexual stimulation whatsoever, nor has she started being blackmailed or otherwise pressured yet, not to mention Noah is right there and has just expressed a desire to spend time with her, yet despite all that she still very actively chooses to ditch him for what she knows is going to be sexual interaction with Edwyr. *That's* the sort of thing where I feel there's a very conscious betrayal, and if there'd been more of that sort of thing in the end-game, I absolutely would have been on team "they fucking deserve what they have coming to them".
All that said, gotta make the most important point, which is:
(Also, on a totally unrelated note, I played through the True Ending since my last post, and I gotta say I thought it was some absolutely incredible story-telling. Like, I guess debatable whether it was good as part of a porn game / as NTR, but putting that aside, it really knocked it out of the part with tying together the themes of the story, and I'm willing to admit that it got me tearing up slightly at a couple points. I'm sure I could gush a ton more about it, going into way more detail, but I've been writing enough essays in the thread already, so I'll just leave it at saying that ending my experience with of Ch2 with that was an unqualified high note for me).
I think part of it is that one of the sorts of 'NTR Logic' I'm willing to accept is the idea of (good) sex being like a sort of drug, as I think Taii expressed it at some point in the thread. Basically, if a story is running on that logic, as this one seems to, then it's hard for me to ascribe fault for actions taken when they're in that state. Given the end-game has them pretty much constantly getting fucked, and the rare times they aren't and get to interact with Noah they're still very clearly 100% on his side, I never really get that sense of betrayal. Like, I feel like the big betrayal moment is meant to be (late-game spoiler) when they spill the beans on the escape plan to Zeno, but given that was done as the result of pleasure-torture, it comes across to me less as betrayal and more just being compromised.
As contrast / for reference, if I had to point to where I *did* feel the biggest betrayal, it would probably be way earlier, (mid-game spoiler) on the way back from the Forest Elves, when Celis chooses to go off with Edwyr. In that case, she's under no sexual stimulation whatsoever, nor has she started being blackmailed or otherwise pressured yet, not to mention Noah is right there and has just expressed a desire to spend time with her, yet despite all that she still very actively chooses to ditch him for what she knows is going to be sexual interaction with Edwyr. *That's* the sort of thing where I feel there's a very conscious betrayal, and if there'd been more of that sort of thing in the end-game, I absolutely would have been on team "they fucking deserve what they have coming to them".
All that said, gotta make the most important point, which is:
May absolutely ftw.
(Also, on a totally unrelated note, I played through the True Ending since my last post, and I gotta say I thought it was some absolutely incredible story-telling. Like, I guess debatable whether it was good as part of a porn game / as NTR, but putting that aside, it really knocked it out of the part with tying together the themes of the story, and I'm willing to admit that it got me tearing up slightly at a couple points. I'm sure I could gush a ton more about it, going into way more detail, but I've been writing enough essays in the thread already, so I'll just leave it at saying that ending my experience with of Ch2 with that was an unqualified high note for me).
I mean, snitching about the escape plan is definetly betrayel, no matter the manipulation those 2 were subjected to, but it's one of the few instances were they did something 100% cruel and horrible (most times they are just too passive or not bright enough to be suspicious of Zeno and eat all his bullshit), and its also the culmination of their corruption.
But the one thing that makes my blood boil the worst is that none of it is really talked about between them, the heroines and the mc. They only adressed the snitching and not trusting him, but not fucking Zeno and his son and absolutelly humiliating him (the swimsuit and beach scenes were torture and have changed my opinions of those 2 irreversably) and distancing away from him. As far as we know, they dont even know Noah saw them behind the glass or ever.
I mean, Celis is in a coma, but when Noah wants to leave the village with a plan he cant say to his mom and has to sound vague as fuck. his mom doesnt see this as a huge cry for help? Your son went through absurd amounts of trauma and now he wants to "travel the world to get stronger or better". Realistically he'll get himself killed. She lets him leave like a mom seeing their kid go to collage, when he was a fucking traumatized legume for a month just recently. Especially in his letter, she sees that he puts all blame on himself and has no reaction other than sweet "Ill miss him" energy. Like no maam, you were the adult here, and you chose wrong every single time. But he's the one who feels he needs to change entirelly. A mom would feel appalled that her son views such a situation this way. He has the right to distance himself from her and the village, but maybe arrange for him to live elsewhere with a friend or aquantaince of his dad?
I just hate the way Noah takes every bit of shit from that monumental situation upon himself, its clear to anyone that he does, and no one intervenes and says its not his fault. That the duty of a mother.
But yes, true ending in both 1 and 2, feel like true endings, they're great and emotional. I think 2 is better written, but 1 is slightly more of a tear jerker. I ugly cried turned to hyperventilation and groans of pain.
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after that moment I just wanted an ending where she turned into a cumdump or was killed, unfortunately this series is light, and that would be impossible, I hate it when the heroine of an NTR is so bad, because it becomes miserable for me too, not just for MC.
Finally someone tells what I think, and it's true, let me say that Celis has fallen, but the fact that the mother has disappointed so much is what hurts, and obviously it's an NTR and it could happen, but nothing happens, and it hurts a lot, honestly. To be honest, this one hurt more than the first one, and for that reason I'm not playing the 3rd, not because I don't like it, but because my chicken heart can't stand any other pain, seeing the true ending hurts quite a bit, as you say, I literally didn't sympathize with the mother in the final part, it was more with Noah and a little with Celis seeing her like that, but oh well, I'll stick with the revenge ending at least, because the happy one fills me with anger, honestly, and too much anger like the NTR ending.