RPGM Completed Henteria Chronicles Ch. 2 : The Law of the Tribe [Update 16] [N_taii]

[sirviper235]

I forgot to answer that, yes the slow-burn is perfect and you feel change for change, at least on Rose.

Well, that is a good thing to hear.

At least on her? Ah. Right there other heroines. Are they perhaps not quite as well done?

 

[Komdot]

Ah I see. That’s very good to know.

Hmm you can actually understand and agree with? That’s a nice touch definitely peak my curiosity.

Honestly I fully agree with what you said about her. This is the problem that I feel the game has. It has no idea how to treat her because it bounces between two different ideas. But seems to adamantly not want to let go of one.

Idea 1. Celis is a pure heated, but very naïve, easily manipulated girl.

And 2. Celis is corrupted and deep down is a slut and only pretends to be pure.

There is definitely more but I feel that that’s the core ones. The game constantly dances between which one she is supposed to be because it feels like to developer wanted to go in One Direction or the other depending on the update. But it completely makes her inconsistent. Which could’ve been fine. They could’ve explained that she was simply confused, misguided and insecure.

But they don’t. Instead of the game seems to adamantly hold onto the idea that she is a pure girl being misled and manipulated. Despite having her constantly commit actions that are just utterly…. Well as I said, they utterly hard counter that characterization for her because, she pretty much starts off at the very start doing cruel and degenerate, backstabbing sex acts.

And reveling in the pleasure. And the immorality of what she’s doing. Only till later turned around at random moments. And say how bad she feels about it. Only to then later be shameless and have no regrets or guilt.

Then later say how much she loves the main character and how everything she’s doing is for him. Then do something incredibly cruel and horrible to him and enjoy every second of it.

She is so all over the place. And this wouldn’t even be a problem if she just had a corruption arc, but she doesn’t. It can wind up taking you out of the experience because you have no idea how you’re supposed to feel about her.

And then when you reach the endings… I think that what’s going on in all of them even kind of the NTR one is that the developer is trying to assert the idea that she is truly in love with the main character Noah and that she is above all a victim that was taken advantage of.

Hence why every single ending pretty much put the kid gloves on for her and does not want to punish her in any real way. The mom is perfectly OK, but for some reason, not Celis. Completely ignoring that you know she’s a widow and she’s not fully recovered from losing her husband and is vulnerable and doesn’t even learn the truth of who killed him until it’s way too late?

But when you look at each one, you can see the problem. NTR nothing wrong with that one. It’s pretty much what you would expect.

The revenge ending is incredibly strange and tonally inconsistent. Like seriously….a gay bandit? Really? That’s how we get rid of you know who? It feels like it’s trying to be both really dark and serious and also a comedy at the same time. But the problem with that is… basically nothing bad happens to her?

She basically just goes from being the sex toy of one guy to another except one put a more overt collar on her? She doesn’t even seem to mind much and it doesn’t even seem to really click with her that this is entirely her fault and the person she claimed to love is dead and gone because of her cruelty and many betrayals. She’s pretty much fine.

Happy ending is just…What? Why the heck does he want to still be with her? There is literally nothing about her that is not utterly defiled and tainted. For some reason, she basically immediately loses all care towards the guy she was doing the NTR with with like zero hesitation. She’s literally let off Scott free here.

And then the true ending has her big noble sacrifice and coma. Where she doesn’t really…. Lose anything?

All these endings have the same problem and none of them want to punish her. Each one seems to try to frame her as if she’s a victim when she is blatantly not. She was a very much and a clearly a willing participant. At multiple occasions that she knowingly did something because she knew it would hurt Noah and enjoyed it.

But if it feels like the developer did not want to let go of her initial characterization because… reasons? She basically dragged the whole game down with her honestly.

Pretty much everything else about it is top notch and incredibly good. Except for her she’s like this one black mark on it.

Sorry for length again I hope that these thoughts made any sense at all

In all the endings the dev didn't want to punish her, or make her feel bad and that really bothers me, but that's it, she's the biggest negative point in the game, she's not even hotter than Aywin, you know, she doesn't have a single positive point.

Well, that is a good thing to hear.

At least on her? Ah. Right there other heroines. Are they perhaps not quite as well done?

Well, it's opinion to opinion, there's no consensus. of the 4 heroines, there are two main ones that are linked to the main plot, Rose who I've already mentioned and Cyanna, my problem with Cyanna is that she's the ice queen archetype, that is, she's boring, she's not annoying or dumb (sometimes), she's just boring, nullifying her NTR for me. But my opinion may be unpopular, it's worth playing to see, as another HC2 fan you should play.

 

[sirviper235]

In all the endings the dev didn't want to punish her, or make her feel bad and that really bothers me, but that's it, she's the biggest negative point in the game, she's not even hotter than Aywin, you know, she doesn't have a single positive point.

Well, it's opinion to opinion, there's no consensus. of the 4 heroines, there are two main ones that are linked to the main plot, Rose who I've already mentioned and Cyanna, my problem with Cyanna is that she's the ice queen archetype, that is, she's boring, she's not annoying or dumb (sometimes), she's just boring, nullifying her NTR for me. But my opinion may be unpopular, it's worth playing to see, as another HC2 fan you should play.

Indeed. Honestly, I don’t really mind the rest of the game with her. Yeah it’s a little all over the place, but I’ve seen far worse writing. I just think they failed to really bring it together because they made her so messy. I think she stands out so much because pretty much everything else about the game is so high-quality.

And agreed. She’s not actually that attractively designed. I mean she’s not ugly or anything, but personally I always did prefer the mom. I think it’s because there’s a little air of despair around her story and content. It actually feels terrible to know what she’s doing with the man who took her husband from her. And how once the truth is revealed, she knows she’s in far too deep and has utterly defied his memory and their love. I think it actually adds to her a bit. Aywin Is far from perfect but she has her upside and pluses that make her appealing.

Celia has… nothing really. Always found it a bit odd how the game kind of treats her like she’s some kind of big prize or catch when nothing about her really gives off an impression like that. Even without NTR.

Ah I see. I get you. Yes I see where you’re coming from.. ice queen type characters don’t always have the best appeal. Let alone for NTR which I personally feel overly heavily on an emotional connection.

The dev disagrees and has a bit of a strangely wide netted veiw on what counts as it. Almost like they think if some girl is friendly to the main character it means seeing her with someone else is NTR. Can’t say I fully agree, but I get it. Thank you for the recommendation.

I think I’ll check it out. Anything else you might want to discuss?

 

[Komdot]

The dev disagrees and has a bit of a strangely wide netted veiw on what counts as it. Almost like they think if some girl is friendly to the main character it means seeing her with someone else is NTR. Can’t say I fully agree, but I get it. Thank you for the recommendation.

This comes from Japanese netorare, where only the MC doesn't have sex or he likes the girl first but someone else gets her first. Suzuya games show a lot of this genre. I personally like it a lot.
The jealousy of the MC, many people don't even consider that there exists mom NTR, I disagree very much, I like how N_Taii approaches ntr from all sides haha, it's a netorare shootout.

 

[EdenGenesis]

My Thoughts on Hentaria Chronicles Chapter 2

First of all, I want to say that I absolutely loved Hentaria Chronicles Chapter 2. The game has an original story, engaging characters, and a beautiful pixel art aesthetic. While some may find the lack of CGs disappointing, I personally think it adds charm, as the pixel animations are well-crafted and fit the game’s atmosphere.

The game is divided into three major parts:
1️⃣ Introduction – Setting up the world and characters.
2️⃣ Main Story – The core narrative, where conflicts develop.
3️⃣ Branching Paths – Leading to different endings (NTR, Happy, Revenge, and True Endings).

As a fan of elf women, this game had everything to appeal to me. However, I believe it suffers from a lack of key transitional events, especially before the branching point where Celis suddenly follows Noah and asks for forgiveness. Given the events that precede this moment, her actions feel completely unconvincing and inconsistent.


Missing Confrontation Between Celis and Noah

One of the biggest issues is how Celis goes from completely surrendering herself to Eydir and Zeno to suddenly wanting to follow Noah as if she had an epiphany. Prior to this, she:

• Repeatedly had sex with Eydir, Noah’s cousin and enemy, as well as Zeno, his uncle and the main antagonist who murdered his father.
• Betrayed Noah by revealing his plan to Zeno and Eydir, leading to his capture.
• Was forced to watch his mother and Celis being used as playthings by Zeno and Eydir, reinforcing the idea that he was utterly alone.

After this, in a scene where we see Noah walking through the corridor of his house, He unexpectedly runs into Celis as she steps out of a room, with Eydir right behind her. Shocked, she immediately tries to cover up the situation, telling Noah, “It’s not what you think", despite the obvious circumstances.

Before Noah can respond, Eydir calls out, asking who she’s talking to. The moment Celis turns to answer him, Noah silently disappears, unwilling to confront the painful reality.

Shortly after, Celis prepares to go to the bathhouse, and Eydir offers to join her. During their bath, Eydir suggests that Celis make their relationship official so that Noah stops clinging to false hope. Celis appears hesitant, clearly thinking about Noah, but she doesn’t reject the idea outright. Instead of denying Eydir’s proposal, she remains silent, neither confirming nor rejecting it, and continues having sex with him, fully indulging in the pleasure.

Sensing her hesitation, Eydir pushes further, telling her he wants to have a child with her. Though surprised, Celis doesn’t outright refuse. Despite Noah lingering in her thoughts, she never denies the idea of being with Eydir, making it clear that, at the very least, she isn’t opposed to it.

Meanwhile, Noah, devastated, withdraws into his room, sinking into despair. Celis never once tries to speak to him, never checks on him, and shows no concern for his well-being.

Then, out of nowhere, just as Noah decides to leave, Celis suddenly regrets everything and wants to follow him. This is a major plot hole. There should have been an intermediate scene where she tries to talk to Noah, only for him to reject her completely.

Not only does she never show remorse before this moment, but we don’t even know if she was aware that Noah saw her having sex with Eydir. And if she was aware, she should have been far too ashamed to even speak to him, let alone ask to come with him "like the good old days".


How a Missing Scene Could Fix This

A proper confrontation scene would make her character arc far more believable.

• Celis could try to speak to Noah, but he ignores her.
• When she insists, he finally snaps, telling her he knows everything about her and Eydir.
• She tries to justify herself, but Noah forces her to face the truth—that she betrayed him without hesitation, believing every lie Eydir and Zeno told her.
• Noah completely rejects her, telling her never to speak to him again and to go back to her lover.
• Celis breaks down in tears and runs away.
• Aywin then enters, and Noah confronts her too, calling her out for siding with Zeno, the man who murdered his father.
• Aywin, full of guilt, admits she’s lost control of herself, as she does in the game, and helps Noah escape.

After this, Celis could be shown in her room, crying, reflecting on all the times she betrayed Noah, and realizing the full extent of the damage she caused. This would make her later actions feel more genuine instead of coming out of nowhere.


The Problem with the Revenge Ending

The Revenge Ending felt like it wasn’t really Noah’s revenge—but rather Mórë’s. Instead of taking control of his fate, Noah becomes a hollow shell, controlled and manipulated. Celis and Aywin recognize this but only blame themselves internally, without truly expressing regret for what they did. Worse, Celis still seems concerned about Eydir, despite knowing how much he deceived her just to sleep with her.

Celis even says she hasn’t had sex since Eydir’s arrest and misses his cock, which is infuriating considering everything Noah went through. She refuses to do with Noah the very things she enthusiastically did with Eydir and Zeno, making the "revenge" feel completely hollow. Instead of truly suffering for her betrayal, she just follows Noah's orders without any real emotional reckoning.

I really hope Chapter 3 improves on this aspect, giving Leto (the MC of Ch.3) a true revenge ending where he is his own master instead of being anyone’s puppet.


Final Thoughts & Hopes for Chapter 3

Despite all my criticisms, I want to emphasize that I absolutely loved Hentaria Chronicles Chapter 2 and still consider it a masterpiece. My points are just my personal opinion, and I understand that other players may not feel the same way.

However, I firmly believe that the game needs an additional key event—a true trigger for Celis’ realization—to make her actions more believable. The scene where she follows Noah in secret and asks to join him like before is completely unconvincing.

Without this pivotal event, Celis' sudden guilt feels entirely unconvincing. After days of willingly sleeping with Eydir and Zeno, showing no remorse, and unquestioningly trusting their words over Noah’s, it makes absolutely no sense for her to suddenly be overcome with regret.

If she truly had a change of heart, we should have seen her struggle with guilt earlier. Instead, she spends days indulging in pleasure, even casually hooking up with Eydir in the hallway, before suddenly deciding she wants to be with Noah again.

This lack of transition makes her redemption feel hollow and frustrating, especially since she never made her relationship with Eydir official. What was she expecting from Noah after everything she did?

These inconsistencies make the final confrontation even more necessary—Noah should have acknowledged everything she did and told her exactly why he can’t trust her anymore. Without that, her sudden clarity and desire to follow him feel forced.

I truly hope Chapter 3 addresses these issues by:
✅ Giving the female characters stronger emotional consequences for their actions.
✅ Providing the MC with a real revenge ending where he isn’t a puppet.
✅ Adding proper transitional scenes to make the story more immersive and believable.

Even though I found these flaws frustrating, I still loved the game and deeply appreciate the work that went into it. The story is compelling, and I look forward to seeing how the series continues.

 

[Komdot]

My Thoughts on Hentaria Chronicles Chapter 2

First of all, I want to say that I absolutely loved Hentaria Chronicles Chapter 2. The game has an original story, engaging characters, and a beautiful pixel art aesthetic. While some may find the lack of CGs disappointing, I personally think it adds charm, as the pixel animations are well-crafted and fit the game’s atmosphere.

The game is divided into three major parts:
1️⃣ Introduction – Setting up the world and characters.
2️⃣ Main Story – The core narrative, where conflicts develop.
3️⃣ Branching Paths – Leading to different endings (NTR, Happy, Revenge, and True Endings).

As a fan of elf women, this game had everything to appeal to me. However, I believe it suffers from a lack of key transitional events, especially before the branching point where Celis suddenly follows Noah and asks for forgiveness. Given the events that precede this moment, her actions feel completely unconvincing and inconsistent.


Missing Confrontation Between Celis and Noah

One of the biggest issues is how Celis goes from completely surrendering herself to Eydir and Zeno to suddenly wanting to follow Noah as if she had an epiphany. Prior to this, she:

• Repeatedly had sex with Eydir, Noah’s cousin and enemy, as well as Zeno, his uncle and the main antagonist who murdered his father.
• Betrayed Noah by revealing his plan to Zeno and Eydir, leading to his capture.
• Was forced to watch his mother and Celis being used as playthings by Zeno and Eydir, reinforcing the idea that he was utterly alone.

After this, in a scene where we see Noah walking through the corridor of his house, He unexpectedly runs into Celis as she steps out of a room, with Eydir right behind her. Shocked, she immediately tries to cover up the situation, telling Noah, “It’s not what you think", despite the obvious circumstances.

Before Noah can respond, Eydir calls out, asking who she’s talking to. The moment Celis turns to answer him, Noah silently disappears, unwilling to confront the painful reality.

Shortly after, Celis prepares to go to the bathhouse, and Eydir offers to join her. During their bath, Eydir suggests that Celis make their relationship official so that Noah stops clinging to false hope. Celis appears hesitant, clearly thinking about Noah, but she doesn’t reject the idea outright. Instead of denying Eydir’s proposal, she remains silent, neither confirming nor rejecting it, and continues having sex with him, fully indulging in the pleasure.

Sensing her hesitation, Eydir pushes further, telling her he wants to have a child with her. Though surprised, Celis doesn’t outright refuse. Despite Noah lingering in her thoughts, she never denies the idea of being with Eydir, making it clear that, at the very least, she isn’t opposed to it.

Meanwhile, Noah, devastated, withdraws into his room, sinking into despair. Celis never once tries to speak to him, never checks on him, and shows no concern for his well-being.

Then, out of nowhere, just as Noah decides to leave, Celis suddenly regrets everything and wants to follow him. This is a major plot hole. There should have been an intermediate scene where she tries to talk to Noah, only for him to reject her completely.

Not only does she never show remorse before this moment, but we don’t even know if she was aware that Noah saw her having sex with Eydir. And if she was aware, she should have been far too ashamed to even speak to him, let alone ask to come with him "like the good old days".


How a Missing Scene Could Fix This

A proper confrontation scene would make her character arc far more believable.

• Celis could try to speak to Noah, but he ignores her.
• When she insists, he finally snaps, telling her he knows everything about her and Eydir.
• She tries to justify herself, but Noah forces her to face the truth—that she betrayed him without hesitation, believing every lie Eydir and Zeno told her.
• Noah completely rejects her, telling her never to speak to him again and to go back to her lover.
• Celis breaks down in tears and runs away.
• Aywin then enters, and Noah confronts her too, calling her out for siding with Zeno, the man who murdered his father.
• Aywin, full of guilt, admits she’s lost control of herself, as she does in the game, and helps Noah escape.

After this, Celis could be shown in her room, crying, reflecting on all the times she betrayed Noah, and realizing the full extent of the damage she caused. This would make her later actions feel more genuine instead of coming out of nowhere.


The Problem with the Revenge Ending

The Revenge Ending felt like it wasn’t really Noah’s revenge—but rather Mórë’s. Instead of taking control of his fate, Noah becomes a hollow shell, controlled and manipulated. Celis and Aywin recognize this but only blame themselves internally, without truly expressing regret for what they did. Worse, Celis still seems concerned about Eydir, despite knowing how much he deceived her just to sleep with her.

Celis even says she hasn’t had sex since Eydir’s arrest and misses his cock, which is infuriating considering everything Noah went through. She refuses to do with Noah the very things she enthusiastically did with Eydir and Zeno, making the "revenge" feel completely hollow. Instead of truly suffering for her betrayal, she just follows Noah's orders without any real emotional reckoning.

I really hope Chapter 3 improves on this aspect, giving Leto (the MC of Ch.3) a true revenge ending where he is his own master instead of being anyone’s puppet.


Final Thoughts & Hopes for Chapter 3

Despite all my criticisms, I want to emphasize that I absolutely loved Hentaria Chronicles Chapter 2 and still consider it a masterpiece. My points are just my personal opinion, and I understand that other players may not feel the same way.

However, I firmly believe that the game needs an additional key event—a true trigger for Celis’ realization—to make her actions more believable. The scene where she follows Noah in secret and asks to join him like before is completely unconvincing.

Without this pivotal event, Celis' sudden guilt feels entirely unconvincing. After days of willingly sleeping with Eydir and Zeno, showing no remorse, and unquestioningly trusting their words over Noah’s, it makes absolutely no sense for her to suddenly be overcome with regret.

If she truly had a change of heart, we should have seen her struggle with guilt earlier. Instead, she spends days indulging in pleasure, even casually hooking up with Eydir in the hallway, before suddenly deciding she wants to be with Noah again.

This lack of transition makes her redemption feel hollow and frustrating, especially since she never made her relationship with Eydir official. What was she expecting from Noah after everything she did?

These inconsistencies make the final confrontation even more necessary—Noah should have acknowledged everything she did and told her exactly why he can’t trust her anymore. Without that, her sudden clarity and desire to follow him feel forced.

I truly hope Chapter 3 addresses these issues by:
✅ Giving the female characters stronger emotional consequences for their actions.
✅ Providing the MC with a real revenge ending where he isn’t a puppet.
✅ Adding proper transitional scenes to make the story more immersive and believable.

Even though I found these flaws frustrating, I still loved the game and deeply appreciate the work that went into it. The story is compelling, and I look forward to seeing how the series continues.

You said it all, unfortunately Celis is the low point of this game and ruins every ending with her. I don't know how Ntaii didn't notice that.

 

[sirviper235]

This comes from Japanese netorare, where only the MC doesn't have sex or he likes the girl first but someone else gets her first. Suzuya games show a lot of this genre. I personally like it a lot.
The jealousy of the MC, many people don't even consider that there exists mom NTR, I disagree very much, I like how N_Taii approaches ntr from all sides haha, it's a netorare shootout.

Hmm fair enough!

 

[sirviper235]

You said it all, unfortunately Celis is the low point of this game and ruins every ending with her. I don't know how Ntaii didn't notice that.

Indeed.

I feel like the developer did notice. But way too late in development to fix it. Their mistake honestly was basically making her skip the corruption arc. Seriously I cannot remember a single time. She was actually loyal and chose Noah over sex. She just betrayed him every single time she had the opportunity.

There was no salvaging her. The writing makes it clear he-also did not want to punish her.

I have no idea how things went so wrong with her considering how high-quality everything else with the game is.

The fact she suddenly start hesitating the moment she’s asked to make the relationship official and or have children with Noah’s cousin is completely out of nowhere because up to that point no matter what he asked of her, she always did it.

It’s like the moment he brought any kind of emotional stuff into the situation she wanted to back out and betray him for Noah.

It’s very bizarre. Almost like she wanted some kind of weird purely physical relationship with him. While having a purely emotional relationship with Noah. Which you know it’s not the intention, but that’s kind of how it comes off almost

 

[Komdot]

Indeed.

I feel like the developer did notice. But way too late in development to fix it. Their mistake honestly was basically making her skip the corruption arc. Seriously I cannot remember a single time. She was actually loyal and chose Noah over sex. She just betrayed him every single time she had the opportunity.

There was no salvaging her. The writing makes it clear he-also did not want to punish her.

I have no idea how things went so wrong with her considering how high-quality everything else with the game is.

The fact she suddenly start hesitating the moment she’s asked to make the relationship official and or have children with Noah’s cousin is completely out of nowhere because up to that point no matter what he asked of her, she always did it.

It’s like the moment he brought any kind of emotional stuff into the situation she wanted to back out and betray him for Noah.

It’s very bizarre. Almost like she wanted some kind of weird purely physical relationship with him. While having a purely emotional relationship with Noah. Which you know it’s not the intention, but that’s kind of how it comes off almost

Somehow we (players) end being cucked by her too lol, I won't deny that she entered my mind and I spent some time thinking about her with anger.

 

[sirviper235]

Somehow we (players) end being cucked by her too lol, I won't deny that she entered my mind and I spent some time thinking about her with anger.

Ha aint that the truth!

 

[sirviper235]

You know.

Having replayed this ive come to realization of what's so 'off' about the NTR contnet of this game and the endings. And then i realized it.

This game is mis-genred. It's not an NTR game at all. WHile i am aware of the creators opinons on it, they botched/blew it from the start and messed up. They didn't create an NTR game.

In relality this is a CHEATING game. WIth cheater female lead characters. WHile Cheating and NTR have overlap yes. They are still fundamentlly diffrent things.

NTR is being stolen away.

Cheating is being a willing participant and having agency. Which Celis and Awyin both do. Allow me to explain.

Spoiler: The Unintended Cheating game.

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   This i belive is what happend to make Hentaria 2 feel so...Off. The game is virtually a masterpeice in every other part of it. But the develope messed up the core of what it's suppoused to be without realizing it far too late. I hope others give this a read or have an opinon of their own or thigns to add. I still have great hopes for the 3rd game.

 

[Komdot]

You know.

Having replayed this ive come to realization of what's so 'off' about the NTR contnet of this game and the endings. And then i realized it.

This game is mis-genred. It's not an NTR game at all. WHile i am aware of the creators opinons on it, they botched/blew it from the start and messed up. They didn't create an NTR game.

In relality this is a CHEATING game. WIth cheater female lead characters. WHile Cheating and NTR have overlap yes. They are still fundamentlly diffrent things.

NTR is being stolen away.

Cheating is being a willing participant and having agency. Which Celis and Awyin both do. Allow me to explain.

Spoiler: The Unintended Cheating game.

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   This i belive is what happend to make Hentaria 2 feel so...Off. The game is virtually a masterpeice in every other part of it. But the develope messed up the core of what it's suppoused to be without realizing it far too late. I hope others give this a read or have an opinon of their own or thigns to add. I still have great hopes for the 3rd game.

I agree about Celis being a horrible person and not genuinely loving Noah in any route, but I strongly disagree about the game not being netorare, there are several types of netorare, and HC2 fits into several of these types, in addition to the fact that “cheating” on this site is usually only used for netori (you're the bull) which is clearly not the case here.

 

[sirviper235]

I agree about Celis being a horrible person and not genuinely loving Noah in any route, but I strongly disagree about the game not being netorare, there are several types of netorare, and HC2 fits into several of these types, in addition to the fact that “cheating” on this site is usually only used for netori (you're the bull) which is clearly not the case here.

Ah my bad. Sorry I didn’t exactly word it the way I intended to, but what I meant is.

The NTR aspect of the game that was intended is not present. What was intended was 2 types of NTR mainly.

1. childhood friend corruption NTR.

2. Mothers love betrayal NTR.

The game mostly pulls off the second one, but it fails hard on the first. And pretty much just makes a cheating storyline and cheating game. Instead for Celis.

When you pretty much look at her entire storyline, you can realize that she doesn’t have a corruption arc. Every single opportunity she has to be loyal. She always chooses betrayal. She loves every second of it while she is in the heat at the moment and afterwards until the game reminds us or rather claimed that she loves Noah.

She isn’t pressured, threatened or forced. Or even really coerced she willingly. Jumps all in head first to betray without a fuss. That does not make. It childhood friend NTR. That is never how it actually works.

What that is is the actions of a cheater who enjoys cheating.

Who only hesitates or back out and tries to profess herself as loyal, but made some mistakes to the one that she claimed to love when her cheating partner decides to change the terms of the arrangement and ruins her fun.

That is Celis to a T I believe. Trying to describe anything about her as NTR, kind of doesn’t work because there’s not even really an emotional aspect to it because she just keeps doing it and doing it and doing it and after a point you kinda realize any time the game tries to frame it as NTR? It’s just not. Because it’s cheating.

I hope that’s more clear

 

[EdenGenesis]

Ah my bad. Sorry I didn’t exactly word it the way I intended to, but what I meant is.

The NTR aspect of the game that was intended is not present. What was intended was 2 types of NTR mainly.

1. childhood friend corruption NTR.

2. Mothers love betrayal NTR.

The game mostly pulls off the second one, but it fails hard on the first. And pretty much just makes a cheating storyline and cheating game. Instead for Celis.

When you pretty much look at her entire storyline, you can realize that she doesn’t have a corruption arc. Every single opportunity she has to be loyal. She always chooses betrayal. She loves every second of it while she is in the heat at the moment and afterwards until the game reminds us or rather claimed that she loves Noah.

She isn’t pressured, threatened or forced. Or even really coerced she willingly. Jumps all in head first to betray without a fuss. That does not make. It childhood friend NTR. That is never how it actually works.

What that is is the actions of a cheater who enjoys cheating.

Who only hesitates or back out and tries to profess herself as loyal, but made some mistakes to the one that she claimed to love when her cheating partner decides to change the terms of the arrangement and ruins her fun.

That is Celis to a T I believe. Trying to describe anything about her as NTR, kind of doesn’t work because there’s not even really an emotional aspect to it because she just keeps doing it and doing it and doing it and after a point you kinda realize any time the game tries to frame it as NTR? It’s just not. Because it’s cheating.

I hope that’s more clear

You raise some excellent points, and honestly, I find myself split when it comes to evaluating Celis and Aywin’s actions. Whether they were truly cheaters or manipulated victims depends heavily on how the narrative frames their mindset—and sadly, the game doesn’t give us enough clarity to say for sure.


If their behavior was the result of drug-induced submission, magic manipulation, or some form of long-term psychological conditioning by Zeno and Eydir, then I could more easily interpret them as victims of Netorare. But if they retained their full agency and made those choices willingly—even knowing how much it would hurt Noah—then yes, that crosses into cheating territory.


What makes it more complex is the absence of key transitional scenes. Celis goes from enthusiastically enjoying herself with Eydir, even initiating sex and showing no visible remorse, to suddenly wanting to follow Noah again as if nothing happened. That disconnect is jarring. There’s no emotional bridge to justify her change of heart. It weakens the impact of the Happy and True Endings because they rely on a redemption arc that’s never really shown. It’s simply stated.


Aywin is a similar case. While she expresses some guilt in certain endings, her actions never fully match the level of emotional accountability needed to make her redemption feel earned. She continues her relationship with Zeno—the very man who murdered her husband—and even if she claims to have lost control, she never truly faces Noah with the depth of guilt you'd expect from a mother in that situation.


That’s why I really hoped for a critical confrontation scene. Something that forces Celis and Aywin to face Noah’s pain, acknowledge their betrayals openly, and sincerely regret their choices. It wouldn’t undo their actions, but it would at least help ground the emotional weight the game tries to deliver in the endings.


The lack of that confrontation leaves players like us questioning whether these women ever truly loved Noah—or if they just clung to him emotionally while giving themselves freely to others physically. In fact, some of their lines (like Celis missing Eydir’s cock in the revenge route) only add to the confusion and reinforce the idea that they were never fully “taken” from Noah, but rather left him by choice.


So to return to your point—I think the game intended to present a Netorare experience, but accidentally stumbled into cheating territory by failing to properly frame the heroines as victims. If there had been even a few clear signs—forced arousal magic, coercion, mind-altering potions—it would’ve changed everything. But in the current state, their betrayals often feel too willing, and the emotional fallout is too neatly brushed aside in most endings.


That said, I still adore the game. The writing, worldbuilding, and emotional weight are leagues above most titles in this genre. But I really hope Chapter 3 builds on that foundation with deeper emotional consequences, a revenge route that feels like true justice, and redemption arcs that are earned, not handed out.


Would love to hear your thoughts if you think there’s a way the story can still justify Celis and Aywin’s behavior as NTR instead of cheating. I think the line is thin, but it's still there—just needs more supporting scenes to be convincing.

 

[Komdot]

You raise some excellent points, and honestly, I find myself split when it comes to evaluating Celis and Aywin’s actions. Whether they were truly cheaters or manipulated victims depends heavily on how the narrative frames their mindset—and sadly, the game doesn’t give us enough clarity to say for sure.


If their behavior was the result of drug-induced submission, magic manipulation, or some form of long-term psychological conditioning by Zeno and Eydir, then I could more easily interpret them as victims of Netorare. But if they retained their full agency and made those choices willingly—even knowing how much it would hurt Noah—then yes, that crosses into cheating territory.


What makes it more complex is the absence of key transitional scenes. Celis goes from enthusiastically enjoying herself with Eydir, even initiating sex and showing no visible remorse, to suddenly wanting to follow Noah again as if nothing happened. That disconnect is jarring. There’s no emotional bridge to justify her change of heart. It weakens the impact of the Happy and True Endings because they rely on a redemption arc that’s never really shown. It’s simply stated.


Aywin is a similar case. While she expresses some guilt in certain endings, her actions never fully match the level of emotional accountability needed to make her redemption feel earned. She continues her relationship with Zeno—the very man who murdered her husband—and even if she claims to have lost control, she never truly faces Noah with the depth of guilt you'd expect from a mother in that situation.


That’s why I really hoped for a critical confrontation scene. Something that forces Celis and Aywin to face Noah’s pain, acknowledge their betrayals openly, and sincerely regret their choices. It wouldn’t undo their actions, but it would at least help ground the emotional weight the game tries to deliver in the endings.


The lack of that confrontation leaves players like us questioning whether these women ever truly loved Noah—or if they just clung to him emotionally while giving themselves freely to others physically. In fact, some of their lines (like Celis missing Eydir’s cock in the revenge route) only add to the confusion and reinforce the idea that they were never fully “taken” from Noah, but rather left him by choice.


So to return to your point—I think the game intended to present a Netorare experience, but accidentally stumbled into cheating territory by failing to properly frame the heroines as victims. If there had been even a few clear signs—forced arousal magic, coercion, mind-altering potions—it would’ve changed everything. But in the current state, their betrayals often feel too willing, and the emotional fallout is too neatly brushed aside in most endings.


That said, I still adore the game. The writing, worldbuilding, and emotional weight are leagues above most titles in this genre. But I really hope Chapter 3 builds on that foundation with deeper emotional consequences, a revenge route that feels like true justice, and redemption arcs that are earned, not handed out.


Would love to hear your thoughts if you think there’s a way the story can still justify Celis and Aywin’s behavior as NTR instead of cheating. I think the line is thin, but it's still there—just needs more supporting scenes to be convincing.

It's a pain in the ass not having this confrontation or a redemption arc, and N_Taii never talked about it, so you can't say that Chapter 3 will correct these errors that were pointed out by many people, I even stopped being a patron since he only talks about NTR Ending, I'll wait, if it's worth it I'll buy it on steam since the journey of both 2 and 3 are very good! But the endings... Given that he's improving with every game, I still have hope.

 

[sirviper235]

You raise some excellent points, and honestly, I find myself split when it comes to evaluating Celis and Aywin’s actions. Whether they were truly cheaters or manipulated victims depends heavily on how the narrative frames their mindset—and sadly, the game doesn’t give us enough clarity to say for sure.


If their behavior was the result of drug-induced submission, magic manipulation, or some form of long-term psychological conditioning by Zeno and Eydir, then I could more easily interpret them as victims of Netorare. But if they retained their full agency and made those choices willingly—even knowing how much it would hurt Noah—then yes, that crosses into cheating territory.


What makes it more complex is the absence of key transitional scenes. Celis goes from enthusiastically enjoying herself with Eydir, even initiating sex and showing no visible remorse, to suddenly wanting to follow Noah again as if nothing happened. That disconnect is jarring. There’s no emotional bridge to justify her change of heart. It weakens the impact of the Happy and True Endings because they rely on a redemption arc that’s never really shown. It’s simply stated.


Aywin is a similar case. While she expresses some guilt in certain endings, her actions never fully match the level of emotional accountability needed to make her redemption feel earned. She continues her relationship with Zeno—the very man who murdered her husband—and even if she claims to have lost control, she never truly faces Noah with the depth of guilt you'd expect from a mother in that situation.


That’s why I really hoped for a critical confrontation scene. Something that forces Celis and Aywin to face Noah’s pain, acknowledge their betrayals openly, and sincerely regret their choices. It wouldn’t undo their actions, but it would at least help ground the emotional weight the game tries to deliver in the endings.


The lack of that confrontation leaves players like us questioning whether these women ever truly loved Noah—or if they just clung to him emotionally while giving themselves freely to others physically. In fact, some of their lines (like Celis missing Eydir’s cock in the revenge route) only add to the confusion and reinforce the idea that they were never fully “taken” from Noah, but rather left him by choice.


So to return to your point—I think the game intended to present a Netorare experience, but accidentally stumbled into cheating territory by failing to properly frame the heroines as victims. If there had been even a few clear signs—forced arousal magic, coercion, mind-altering potions—it would’ve changed everything. But in the current state, their betrayals often feel too willing, and the emotional fallout is too neatly brushed aside in most endings.


That said, I still adore the game. The writing, worldbuilding, and emotional weight are leagues above most titles in this genre. But I really hope Chapter 3 builds on that foundation with deeper emotional consequences, a revenge route that feels like true justice, and redemption arcs that are earned, not handed out.


Would love to hear your thoughts if you think there’s a way the story can still justify Celis and Aywin’s behavior as NTR instead of cheating. I think the line is thin, but it's still there—just needs more supporting scenes to be convincing.

Hmm....I agree on adoring the game fully!

And Sense you asked i see a few opitons.

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Here is a few options. I have a few more and some for Aywin. But what do you think of these? And would you liike me to respond to the other things you spoke of?

 

[sirviper235]

It's a pain in the ass not having this confrontation or a redemption arc, and N_Taii never talked about it, so you can't say that Chapter 3 will correct these errors that were pointed out by many people, I even stopped being a patron since he only talks about NTR Ending, I'll wait, if it's worth it I'll buy it on steam since the journey of both 2 and 3 are very good! But the endings... Given that he's improving with every game, I still have hope.

I’m sorry to message you, but. I was unaware that they only talk about the NTR ending. Do they simply refuse to speak about any other ending with anyone?

And did you read my post before about why I believe that there wasn’t a confrontation scene?

 

[EdenGenesis]

It's a pain in the ass not having this confrontation or a redemption arc, and N_Taii never talked about it, so you can't say that Chapter 3 will correct these errors that were pointed out by many people, I even stopped being a patron since he only talks about NTR Ending, I'll wait, if it's worth it I'll buy it on steam since the journey of both 2 and 3 are very good! But the endings... Given that he's improving with every game, I still have hope.

I totally understand your frustration, and you're absolutely right—Celis’ lack of a proper confrontation or redemption arc in HC2 left a lot of us with mixed feelings. But just to share some insight, I’ve had quite a few private discussions with N_Taii over the past few weeks, and he actually gave me a lot of hope for Chapter 3.


He openly admitted that HC2’s endings were something he didn’t fully plan in advance, which is why some of them—especially the Revenge and Happy Endings—don’t land emotionally the way they could have. It’s part of his learning process as a solo developer. That said, he’s been really receptive to feedback, and I was surprised at how much of what we’ve pointed out, he already took into account when working on HC3.


He told me that a large part of his audience enjoys seeing the girls fall deeper into corruption (which explains the lack of severe emotional consequences in HC2), but he also acknowledged that a growing number of players are looking for more balanced, emotionally grounded content—especially when it comes to the MC's agency and payoff in the endings.


From what he shared, HC3 is being written with that in mind. This time, he’s already planned the endings from earlier in development. Leto, the MC, won’t just be a puppet like Noah was during the revenge arc—there will be more meaningful choice, emotional buildup, and payoff depending on what direction players want to take.


He also mentioned he’s actively thinking about how to give the NTR and Revenge routes more “layers”, especially with characters like Rose and Cyanna—while still pleasing his existing fanbase that loves full corruption. So while not everything may be fixed perfectly (and he is still just one guy), I do believe HC3 will be more refined in that aspect.


I get why you stopped supporting him on Patreon—these games are an emotional rollercoaster, and when the resolution doesn’t land right, it leaves a bitter aftertaste. But I genuinely think HC3 is shaping up to be the best chapter yet. If the final content lives up to what he told me, we might finally get the proper catharsis and emotional weight that HC2 left us craving.


Let’s see how it all turns out. I'm still hopeful—and honestly, with how strong the journey already is, this could be one of the most impactful adult RPG series ever if it sticks the landing.

 

[EdenGenesis]

Hmm....I agree on adoring the game fully!

And Sense you asked i see a few opitons.

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Here is a few options. I have a few more and some for Aywin. But what do you think of these? And would you liike me to respond to the other things you spoke of?

Thanks for taking the time to go so in-depth with your ideas—honestly, these are exactly the kinds of narrative tweaks that would’ve made HC2 feel more cohesive and emotionally satisfying. I really appreciate how you broke down your options, and I think they each approach the Celis issue from a different but very necessary angle.


Let me respond to each:


1️⃣ Pre-Confession and Emotional Build-up

This one really hit the mark for me. The confession scene could’ve been a powerful emotional anchor if the story had committed to it. Having Celis reject Eydir after that moment—or at least try to—would’ve gone a long way in proving her loyalty, or at the very least, showing that she wants to change. I especially like the idea of her attempting intimacy with Noah but being unsatisfied due to guilt and past experience, which opens the door for her inner conflict and eventual relapse. That’s far more believable than her sudden, unearned flip.


Also, the idea that Noah needed to sleep with her during the main route is something I completely agree with. Holding all the emotionally important scenes for the endings hurt the pacing of her arc badly.


2️⃣ Drug/Potion/Mindbreak Coercion Path

That’s something I touched on too—we need clear proof that the girls weren’t fully in control for the story to be read as netorare and not just flat-out cheating. If we had a scene where Celis tried to preserve her virginity but was manipulated (magically, emotionally, or physically), it would give her breakdowns far more impact. Right now, the way she initiates the acts or eagerly plays along makes it almost impossible to sympathize, because it reads like she wanted to cheat. But if she was dosed or magically coerced—especially subtly so she thinks she made the choice—it would turn the entire story into a psychological NTR tragedy.


3️⃣ The “Used and Discarded” Arc

I think this is brilliant from a thematic and pacing standpoint. You’re absolutely right—Zeno and Eydir’s continued obsession with Celis makes little sense, especially given her quick compliance and their personalities. If she was eventually discarded, realizing she was nothing more than a toy, her entire identity would collapse. That’s when she would finally break, fully aware she’s lost everything—Noah’s love, her dignity, and even the respect of the men who used her.


That setup would make her desperate plea for forgiveness feel like the culmination of genuine remorse, not just a script-triggered plot point. Her clinging to Noah afterward, stalking his door, hoping he’ll say anything—even a cruel rejection—would be tragic in a way that actually works narratively.

Right now, that emotional destruction never fully lands because she never seems to hit rock bottom. She's just… conveniently ready to be redeemed.

To answer your question—yes, I’d love to hear your takes on Aywin too. I’ve been thinking about her situation as well, and I feel like her betrayal is even worse in some ways, because unlike Celis, she’s an adult, a mother, and knows exactly what she’s doing. But I’m still on the fence about how she could be redeemed, if at all.

Also, if you ever feel like refining some of these concepts into structured “rewrite proposals” (like alternate events or routes), I’d be happy to contribute too. I think a lot of people would resonate with them.

Looking forward to your thoughts!

 

[sirviper235]

Thanks for taking the time to go so in-depth with your ideas—honestly, these are exactly the kinds of narrative tweaks that would’ve made HC2 feel more cohesive and emotionally satisfying. I really appreciate how you broke down your options, and I think they each approach the Celis issue from a different but very necessary angle.


Let me respond to each:


1️⃣ Pre-Confession and Emotional Build-up

This one really hit the mark for me. The confession scene could’ve been a powerful emotional anchor if the story had committed to it. Having Celis reject Eydir after that moment—or at least try to—would’ve gone a long way in proving her loyalty, or at the very least, showing that she wants to change. I especially like the idea of her attempting intimacy with Noah but being unsatisfied due to guilt and past experience, which opens the door for her inner conflict and eventual relapse. That’s far more believable than her sudden, unearned flip.


Also, the idea that Noah needed to sleep with her during the main route is something I completely agree with. Holding all the emotionally important scenes for the endings hurt the pacing of her arc badly.


2️⃣ Drug/Potion/Mindbreak Coercion Path

That’s something I touched on too—we need clear proof that the girls weren’t fully in control for the story to be read as netorare and not just flat-out cheating. If we had a scene where Celis tried to preserve her virginity but was manipulated (magically, emotionally, or physically), it would give her breakdowns far more impact. Right now, the way she initiates the acts or eagerly plays along makes it almost impossible to sympathize, because it reads like she wanted to cheat. But if she was dosed or magically coerced—especially subtly so she thinks she made the choice—it would turn the entire story into a psychological NTR tragedy.


3️⃣ The “Used and Discarded” Arc

I think this is brilliant from a thematic and pacing standpoint. You’re absolutely right—Zeno and Eydir’s continued obsession with Celis makes little sense, especially given her quick compliance and their personalities. If she was eventually discarded, realizing she was nothing more than a toy, her entire identity would collapse. That’s when she would finally break, fully aware she’s lost everything—Noah’s love, her dignity, and even the respect of the men who used her.


That setup would make her desperate plea for forgiveness feel like the culmination of genuine remorse, not just a script-triggered plot point. Her clinging to Noah afterward, stalking his door, hoping he’ll say anything—even a cruel rejection—would be tragic in a way that actually works narratively.

Right now, that emotional destruction never fully lands because she never seems to hit rock bottom. She's just… conveniently ready to be redeemed.

To answer your question—yes, I’d love to hear your takes on Aywin too. I’ve been thinking about her situation as well, and I feel like her betrayal is even worse in some ways, because unlike Celis, she’s an adult, a mother, and knows exactly what she’s doing. But I’m still on the fence about how she could be redeemed, if at all.

Also, if you ever feel like refining some of these concepts into structured “rewrite proposals” (like alternate events or routes), I’d be happy to contribute too. I think a lot of people would resonate with them.

Looking forward to your thoughts!

Glad you enjoyed! Well in that case onto Aywin. She's a bit trickyier i admit.

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I have a 3rd idea but its a bit too flimsy i feel. But what do you think of these so far? I think the key to Aywin is she has to tryto resist and fight back. But something happens to break her and make her feel she cannot be a mothert o Noah anymore and that she'sutterly defiled her family so badly she cannot redeem herself or be free of her guilt.