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Regarding the characters the one thing I hope for in HC3 would be the side character women get little more of an established bond with the MC. The biggest criticism that I had with HC1 which carried over to HC2 are the very light established bonds of the corrupted side character women and the MC.
In HC1 there was the wood cutting woman, and the connection between her the MC could be described as person MC sales wood to. So her stuff was always meh, due to the whole betrayal aspect of her corruption being directed toward her apprentice, as there was no real established connection with the MC like the three in the mansion. The MC just came off very disconnected to what was happening on that story thread.
In HC2 the main side character women we see being corrupted are Neve, Thania, and Solana. The first two can best be described as just his neighbors. Solana I'd say is the best of the lot as she was a childhood friend and had/has a crush on the MC, so seeing her fall has had more weight to it.
With Neve we were told that she and the MCs family were a little close as they helped ease her in with the other Elves. But we don't see this and we got very little in development of any type of friendship, until Belanor was already getting involved. Thania the only real connection is that the MC babysits her kid from time to time.
I bring this up because later on you have better examples of side characters being corrupted. The girl that helped Edwyr, and the two rich girls in the prison. These three were minor characters but watching the escalation to their corruption was more interesting. However with the three main side characters that have their own routes, I find it's harder to care whats happening to 2 of the 3.
I think if you type what scenes you put on patreon updates such as for 5 dollars and 20 dollar members it would further incentivize them for getting paying on patreon as the scenes are starting to heat up.
- Sep 10, 2017
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Do you think you might have a protagonist in your future games that can speak? While I respect the muted MC design so that the player can insert themselves into whatever POV they choose, I feel like too much is lost. It would be great to know what the character feels/thinks at certain key moments and how their character evolves as a consequence. Lots of opportunity for spicy dialogue is lost, but I understand that it would be more work and the protagonist is really just meant to be clueless through and through. However, your writing has proven to be very creative and believable even without a talking protagonist, and I would imagine that including one would change the standard of NTR games as we know it. In any case keep up the good work, I'm really enjoying the game.
Thing is, when I created the side-characters, they weren't always designed with NTR towards the main character in mind, that's what the two main heroins were for. Another main fetish of the game is the corruption, and creating different types of NTR where the MC wasn't necessarily involved. For Solana, the whole Merith-Solana-MC-Goras love triangle (square) was the main appeal. For Thania, I wanted to introduce a MILF dedicated to bringing up her kid until some older man shows up and makes her experience sex and carnal pleasure once again until she starts to neglect her own child. As for Neve, the main "selling point" was the whole high and mighty woman brought to her knees and sexually trained, so more of a corruption fetish.
What I'm always trying to keep in mind is that, while there are people only here for the NTR from a MC standpoint, other people would rather enjoy certain type of relationship in NTR without necessarily feeling directly involved in it. And for some, they don't care about the NTR, just about the whole corruption aspect. So I'm trying to have a little bit of something for everyone : )
Those are written in the save files, but I get what you mean. The reason why I don't advertize extra-scenes that much is that I don't enjoy reminding people that some content is paywalled. I want them to enjoy the game without feeling like something's missing. And if they enjoy it, then they might consider visiting my page and pledging to get the extra-content
It's as you said, I want people to self-insert more easily. Not only that, but for those who don't want to identify with the MC, they aren't forced to through reading dialogue from the MC's perspective. Leaving a lot of things vague also encourages the player's imagination to take over. Those are points I feel are really important in my games, so I'll keep them as is.
However, I'm glad you seem to be enjoying the writing, thanks!
---Thank you everyone for the feedback and thoughts on the game!---
Oh I understand the NTR isn't always towards the main character. What I'm trying to get across is that during the initial setup of everything there's a disconnect on characters roping the MC into the corruption stuff. So even though as you say he "wasn't necessarily involved", he ends up being constantly involved in the personal development of the corruption.
Also I'm not saying that all the girls need to be in love with the MC so that he's be NTRd, really it'd be great if they had a chance to just be friends.
For Thania all that's really needed was why the MC is helping her kid so much. Something to clarify that MC wants to help her so much because he considers Thania a good friend. That'd help give the mini adventures more meaning.
Or even something to establish he's really good friends with the kid and really wants to see him happy. But missions for him keep coming off like "oh I need help cause mom doesn't see me as a big kid". Then the MC just goes along with this. There's just not enough of a personal reason on why the MC gives a damn. That's what makes it less interesting.
For Neve honestly I think this one misses the mark the most as the whole high & mighty thing never seemed like her character. She's been pretty down to earth and humble (like her speech to the town), the only concept of it is the group of elves she belongs too. She's been far from high and mighty herself. Belanor kinda eludes to some of it in his ramblings for breaking her, but again this didn't seem established early enough. Hell it'd been great (again just as friends) have Neve just talk with the MC about her past and be all "high & mighty" so the pay off of Belanors corruption would've really been worth it. In truth HC1 had a pretty good version of this setup with the first maid that trains the MC. It was the same kinda setup with "high & mighty" maid that's broke by the dirty old butler.
My main point I guess is that what really makes the whole Merith-Solana-MC-Goras plot thread work, is that the MC wants to help Merith because they all have a connection (friends/parent/child). So the MC fits into this story without being the focus. The other two he doesn't have enough of a connection with the main players of those routes, so he ends up looking out of place.
- Jun 8, 2017
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I can only second this. Its almost hotter imo to go around the map and see the characters say new things and show new reactions or have tiny events play out based on what happened before in the story (i.e. the main scenes and developments). It can display changes in character, attitudes, etc so well. I love the idea of free roam events and changes.
- Oct 8, 2019
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As I always admire your good work, I always say that I wish I had instead of endings had two routes in which one is netorare and the other is the one that is saved by telling celis del netorare or another person that one wants to save, there would be more playability and I think it would sound hypocritical but sometimes we want it to happen and at the same time that sometimes the routes are the ones that have us on that , but what more to say, continue to admire your work, sometimes I do not agree because something that we want not this people will tell you that it is no longer good, quite the opposite you have to appreciate it even if there are things that are not. When you mentioned a possible end of vengeance, I swear to my mind, you don't give that image, why? because for there to be revenge, something must be taken or damaged from the person you want revenge on and zenos and edwir, other than them that the two of you, I don't see what sense they would apply. Unless Noah becomes a bad guy, look for Zenos' wife and in front of the two of you, like a drawer who doesn't close a hahaha thing I don't think is going to happen.
- Jul 5, 2017
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so is there a way to skip days? im on quest 5 but i cant find anymore quest to do to progress the game
edit: nvm im an idiot. the bedroom is moved so i got confused
edit: nvm im an idiot. the bedroom is moved so i got confused
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I also think they are a great feature, if not the best in HC2. And you can be looking forward for what is yet to come. N_Taii wrote:
I am so much looking forward for this, especially for the extra freeroam events in earlier updates. Makes me really excited to play the whole game again to find all those sweet little freeroam events. And I also think its a great way to implement more H related content into the first chapters/updates of HC2.
Really nice idea N_Taii! In my opinion these freeroam events put the game on a new level and make it really unique. Good luck with your work!
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Confirmed! Now you can't say N_Taii would not be listening to his followers and fans. He decided that in his next update (update 8, sorry for those who have to wait for update 7 yet - u can look forward to it though, it's one of the best) he would be working on side content, such as: "freeroam events for the new update, as well as for earlier updates". So get the hype train started! More content for the beginning is what a lot of people requested. Really looking forward to start a new game to find those sweet scenes inbetween the storyline.
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- Jan 28, 2018
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My soul is even more crushed than before and I just want my "videogame" life to end painless. So the update was 10/10 legendary, would cry again.