RPGM Completed Henteria Chronicles Ch. 2 : The Law of the Tribe [Update 16] [N_taii]

[RogueEagle]

Well dang, just reached end of update 5. I hope in the future games there will be multiple routes. My fetishes enjoyed the journey up until ''the line'' was crossed, lol
But sadly, my mind instantly loses attention once that happens

Same, once "the line" was crossed i lost all interest because what she was saving she just gave to someone else without a second thought, when she did that i was like "welp, moving on" and i'm now looking more foward to the relation between the Goddess and the protagonist than anything else since everyone in the village just said "fuck it" and when that happened there is really nothing else on that aspect to be left to imagination, now only thing we have to look foward to is when the protagonist finally catches his mom and "sis" in the act and falls in the rabbit hole and god knows what will come out.

 

[xCTx]

Look I'm not trying to start a flame war as I'm honestly curious but after reading some of the recent posts here I have to ask, 'what are you guys expecting exactly?'.

NTR as a concept is mainly about a character/characters crossing a line and sometimes saying 'fuck it', corruption plays a heavy role in the genre. I'm aware that there are games that have 'avoidable NTR' whilst remaining an NTR game but usually they'll have tags or something in the description that say so.

May I ask what games do you guys enjoy that are NTR but don't cross the line as you say? (Just curious)

 

[nightcrouser]

Look I'm not trying to start a flame war as I'm honestly curious but after reading some of the recent posts here I have to ask, 'what are you guys expecting exactly?'.

NTR as a concept is mainly about a character/characters crossing a line and sometimes saying 'fuck it', corruption plays a heavy role in the genre. I'm aware that there are games that have 'avoidable NTR' whilst remaining an NTR game but usually they'll have tags or something in the description that say so.

May I ask what games do you guys enjoy that are NTR but don't cross the line as you say? (Just curious)

Thats just my personal fetish lol
I like to play my games with virgin routes while still lewding them (and having the risk and option of the other), the NTR is just a variety aspect for me in general, and this game specifically was being carried by that aspect for me.
Other games let me fill in the gaps by giving me the ''illusion of choice'' or ''illusion of control'', should i say, even if its a straight narrative line as well.
But that doesnt work in this game since its just a straight narrative line, without the illusion of control or choice (for me at least).
That being said if we talk about NTR specifically, other games dont give the NTR aspect as much attention or involvement as this one does, so theres that.
So basically, i didnt expect it, but i wish for that choice and it always disappoints even if i see it coming lol

 

[xCTx]

I certainly understand the whole different taste things, hell I'm personally not as big a fan of HC2 as I was HC1.

As for the NTR aspects of the game, I suppose myself and many others knew what to expect as N_tail already released HC1 and the X-mas special so we kind of already know his style and the whole illusion of choice mechanic has never really played a part, the games that enspired Henteria Chronicles (NTRPG 1&2) were very much the same in this aspect as well which n-tail has stated was a inspiration for this series.

Absolutely nothing wrong with people have different taste and I suppose n-tail COULD make it know in the tags or something that the NTR is unavoidable but ultimately if he continues to go down this route then I don't think you're going to enjoy the rest of teh story/game.

HC1's most positive ending was 'Bittersweet' as quoted by n-tail and it's obviously something they enjoy writing so whilst I'm expecting multiple endings again, I wouldn't hold my breath if you're hoping for an happy ending.

 

[sfoMMA85]

n-tail has stated

n-tail COULD make it

are you suggesting, that rather then talking about the tale of Henteria we should talk about N_Taii's tail? What do you say to that, N_Tail? Surely that does not become a thing to say

As you say yourself nightcrouser;

Thats just my personal fetish lol

, I think you have a very specific kink there. Too bad that the game goes into another direction then you would have liked to see, but maybe you enjoyed the game up to that point and that was worth it. But always remember, wether something is NTR, cheating or Netori only depends on the POV. So if you picture yourself as Edwyr, who was always in love with Celis maybe the game would appeal differently to you?

I suppose n-tail COULD make it know in the tags or something that the NTR is unavoidable

Well, actually "NTR" is stated in the genre tags AND in the name itself: "heNTeRia chronicles". AND there is a developer's note about NTR. So I am really sorry, but when you look at the game page and do not undestand that the game is in some way about NTR, then people are just lazy not reading the notes of the game - in that case they shouldn't complain about playing a game they did not want to, or they do not want to understand what is written there, which is their own problem and nothing N_Taii could change. IMO it is stated really clearly that the game is about NTR.

 

[xCTx]

Well, actually "NTR" is stated in the genre tags AND in the name itself heNTeRia chronicles. I am sorry, but when you look at the game page and do not undestand that the game is in some way about NTR, then people are just lazy not reading the notes of the game - in that case they shouldn't complain about playing a game they did not want to, or they do not want to understand what is written here. IMO it is stated really clearly that the game is about NTR.

Oh I'm not disagreeing with you, but I could have sworn I'd seen 'Unavoidable NTR' as a tag around this website (though I admit I may just be misremembering).

Though I'm in complete agreement that people really should do a bit of research before downloading the game, hell n-tail gives a complete overview of what to expect in the 'Developers notes' section on the very first post.

 

[sfoMMA85]

Though I'm in complete agreement that people really should do a bit of research before downloading the game, hell n-tail gives a complete overview of what to expect in the 'Developers notes' section on the very first post.

Exactly. And I mean NTR obviously is a genre people tend to have very different and opposing oppinions and even definitions of. So when they are not clear about what to expect in the game they just have to read N_Taii's notes. So I really think people cant complain in that mattter. It is absolutely clear what this game is about.

That there are no choices and the story is linear is something else... maybe that is something N_Taii could put into his dev notes. Linear novel with the only choice beeing the different endings. But then there is also the open world - freeroaming aspect of the game, which again is something not linear... so I don't know whether it even makes sense to put that in the notes.... I do not think there is a need for that...

PS. Ha! You said it again!

hell n-tail

 

[xCTx]

PS. Ha! You said it again!

Going to be honest wasn't even aware I'd be calling the developer by the wrong name all this time, if there was a facepalm emoji to use here I'd be spamming it like crazy. (A year and a half of being a fan and I never noticed.....fuck me I'm blind as a bat)

 

[RogueEagle]

I certainly understand the whole different taste things, hell I'm personally not as big a fan of HC2 as I was HC1.

As for the NTR aspects of the game, I suppose myself and many others knew what to expect as N_tail already released HC1 and the X-mas special so we kind of already know his style and the whole illusion of choice mechanic has never really played a part, the games that enspired Henteria Chronicles (NTRPG 1&2) were very much the same in this aspect as well which n-tail has stated was a inspiration for this series.

Absolutely nothing wrong with people have different taste and I suppose n-tail COULD make it know in the tags or something that the NTR is unavoidable but ultimately if he continues to go down this route then I don't think you're going to enjoy the rest of teh story/game.

HC1's most positive ending was 'Bittersweet' as quoted by n-tail and it's obviously something they enjoy writing so whilst I'm expecting multiple endings again, I wouldn't hold my breath if you're hoping for an happy ending.

To be real i don't have a problem with the NTR at all, i play a lot of NTR games, my only problem is with the lack of control, on most of other NTR i have a choice to at least try and protect the girl in some way, but when the game is a Sony type of game where you're just for the ride, as soon as they cross that line, all interesting aspects are lost unless the game provides something else to entertain, in this case the game actually possesses other interesting aspects and secrets that keep it going, my personal favorite is the chemistry between the protagonist and unknown entity, but the point is that having NTR in the game description doesn't necessarily means that its forced upon the player, that is a developer choice that has its cons and pros, some will like while other will not.

 

[Sieglinnde]

Spoiler:

I have probably misunderstood the true ending of HC1, but... Wasn't Casio gone to "improve" the world? taking care that things like this (HC2 events) don't happen? I mean, I know that if that were the case then there would be no HC2. But my question here is... Was Casio during the events of HC2 still training to "make the world a better place"? that could explain everything, it could explain why he did nothing to remedy the bad things that happen in HC2, but... HC1's "God" had clarified that there was no time in that room that they were, or something like that; So, was Casio really not ready to prevent what happened in HC2? I mean, since in that place "there was no time" he didn't have to assume that he was ready... Or maybe I'm thinking about it a lot. I don't know, I'm very excited about this Lore. I would be awesome if in the end the protagonist of HC2 turns some kind of demon and fights against Casio, or goes back in time and they make us see that Ezekiel was the MC of HC2 okay... I'd better calm down.

 

[Sieglinnde]

I certainly understand the whole different taste things, hell I'm personally not as big a fan of HC2 as I was HC1.

As for the NTR aspects of the game, I suppose myself and many others knew what to expect as N_tail already released HC1 and the X-mas special so we kind of already know his style and the whole illusion of choice mechanic has never really played a part, the games that enspired Henteria Chronicles (NTRPG 1&2) were very much the same in this aspect as well which n-tail has stated was a inspiration for this series.

Absolutely nothing wrong with people have different taste and I suppose n-tail COULD make it know in the tags or something that the NTR is unavoidable but ultimately if he continues to go down this route then I don't think you're going to enjoy the rest of teh story/game.

HC1's most positive ending was 'Bittersweet' as quoted by n-tail and it's obviously something they enjoy writing so whilst I'm expecting multiple endings again, I wouldn't hold my breath if you're hoping for an happy ending.

I liked the HC games more than the NTRPG games, i feel that the story is much better

 

[xCTx]

Spoiler:

I have probably misunderstood the true ending of HC1, but... Wasn't Casio gone to "improve" the world? taking care that things like this (HC2 events) don't happen? I mean, I know that if that were the case then there would be no HC2. But my question here is... Was Casio during the events of HC2 still training to "make the world a better place"? that could explain everything, it could explain why he did nothing to remedy the bad things that happen in HC2, but... HC1's "God" had clarified that there was no time in that room that they were, or something like that; So, was Casio really not ready to prevent what happened in HC2? I mean, since in that place "there was no time" he didn't have to assume that he was ready... Or maybe I'm thinking about it a lot. I don't know, I'm very excited about this Lore. I would be awesome if in the end the protagonist of HC2 turns some kind of demon and fights against Casio, or goes back in time and they make us see that Ezekiel was the MC of HC2 okay... I'd better calm down.

I would have to go back and check the entire HC1 thread again but I feel fairly sure n_taii said the two games were NOT connected in any way. I think he's treating them like the Final Fantasy series, a few staples that appear in each games but nothing connecting the story or characters directly.

I could be wrong but I'm sure it was brought up at a few points.

 

[N_taii]

I would have to go back and check the entire HC1 thread again but I feel fairly sure n_taii said the two games were NOT connected in any way. I think he's treating them like the Final Fantasy series, a few staples that appear in each games but nothing connecting the story or characters directly.

I could be wrong but I'm sure it was brought up at a few points.

Actually, both games are set in the same world, HC2 being only 1-2 years after the end of HC1. However, not only does HC2 take place far away from the land of humans, but overthrowing an almighty Goddess will take a little more than a few months, especially when you're starting from scratch, which is why it doesn't impact the story of HC2.
I should mention that I want all HC games to be set in the same world, so they will always retain some form of connection with each other in one way or another. It doesn't mean the stories will share the same characters though.

 

[xCTx]

Actually, both games are set in the same world, HC2 being only 1-2 years after the end of HC1. However, not only does HC2 take place far away from the land of humans, but overthrowing an almighty Goddess will take a little more than a few months, especially when you're starting from scratch, which is why it doesn't impact the story of HC2.
I should mention that I want all HC games to be set in the same world, so they will always retain some form of connection with each other in one way or another. It doesn't mean the stories will share the same characters though.

Ah my bad, I knew it had been brought up but wasn't sure what you had said.

 

[Sieglinnde]

W

Actually, both games are set in the same world, HC2 being only 1-2 years after the end of HC1. However, not only does HC2 take place far away from the land of humans, but overthrowing an almighty Goddess will take a little more than a few months, especially when you're starting from scratch, which is why it doesn't impact the story of HC2.
I should mention that I want all HC games to be set in the same world, so they will always retain some form of connection with each other in one way or another. It doesn't mean the stories will share the same characters though.

I guess i will die with the doubt

 

[RogueEagle]

Spoiler:

I have probably misunderstood the true ending of HC1, but... Wasn't Casio gone to "improve" the world? taking care that things like this (HC2 events) don't happen? I mean, I know that if that were the case then there would be no HC2. But my question here is... Was Casio during the events of HC2 still training to "make the world a better place"? that could explain everything, it could explain why he did nothing to remedy the bad things that happen in HC2, but... HC1's "God" had clarified that there was no time in that room that they were, or something like that; So, was Casio really not ready to prevent what happened in HC2? I mean, since in that place "there was no time" he didn't have to assume that he was ready... Or maybe I'm thinking about it a lot. I don't know, I'm very excited about this Lore. I would be awesome if in the end the protagonist of HC2 turns some kind of demon and fights against Casio, or goes back in time and they make us see that Ezekiel was the MC of HC2 okay... I'd better calm down.

I don't think the two games are related due to distance or something, but in relation to the protagonist turning evil, n_taii said there was going to be a revenge ending path that is something like what i said about the protagonist going evil murder mode because of how betrayed and that is even more likely because as you can see in update 6 the main protagonist started to feel like everyone doesn't believe in him anymore, so i wouldn't be surprised if once he discover all the betrayal he just turns dark and goes Levi god mode on most of the dudes in the village due to his connection with the shadow lady.

 

[CobraPL]

CobraPL sfoMMA85
Thank you both for the suggestions. However, I want to point out the fact that
1) Fighting mechanics will be completely and entirely optional. There will be an option to get overpowered gear from the get-go as well as turning random encounters off. With both those options, players who aren't interested in fighting will be able to completely bypass that aspect of the game. Moreover, I want to hire someone to take care of it, which means I won't be dedicating much time to it myself. I was planning to give the MC some kind of military background, so it goes well with his backstory.

2) The card mini-game already exists as a ready-to-use plugin, so it doesn't require much time to implement. It won't be added besides other mini-games, but will intead replace them. Once again, it will remain optional, and won't be forced upon players. Besides, the FF8 Triple Triad card game is a game I used to play a lot as a kid, both in-game and with family members irl, so I'd love to have it in game, and I hope I'm not the only one^^

I don't wish to impose gameplay mechanics by tying them with the story progression. All new gameplay mechanics will remain exterior to the story, and thus optional.

Just sayin' every minigame and fighting mechanic (MaFM) addition I saw so far was a failure and waste of resources. What I tried to tell you, is that MaFM was always out of game. Like glued additions from another story. MaFM was frustrating, an obstacle before next H-scene. I saw ZERO proper implementations. Some fighting mechanics were just "clicker-equivalent" to fill lack of actual gameplay/story.
I also assumed, you have a goal/reason to add MaFM, because you wanted some gameplay element in story-oriented, almost-kinetic game. As an addition. So I suggested making own gameplay as part of NTR story. I provided some suggestions how to do that.

 

[Sieglinnde]

I don't think the two games are related due to distance or something, but in relation to the protagonist turning evil, n_taii said there was going to be a revenge ending path that is something like what i said about the protagonist going evil murder mode because of how betrayed and that is even more likely because as you can see in update 6 the main protagonist started to feel like everyone doesn't believe in him anymore, so i wouldn't be surprised if once he discover all the betrayal he just turns dark and goes Levi god mode on most of the dudes in the village due to his connection with the shadow lady.

I did not test HC2, I will wait for it to complete, but I guess you are right

 

[joeblack21]

Thats just my personal fetish lol
I like to play my games with virgin routes while still lewding them (and having the risk and option of the other), the NTR is just a variety aspect for me in general, and this game specifically was being carried by that aspect for me.
Other games let me fill in the gaps by giving me the ''illusion of choice'' or ''illusion of control'', should i say, even if its a straight narrative line as well.
But that doesnt work in this game since its just a straight narrative line, without the illusion of control or choice (for me at least).
That being said if we talk about NTR specifically, other games dont give the NTR aspect as much attention or involvement as this one does, so theres that.
So basically, i didnt expect it, but i wish for that choice and it always disappoints even if i see it coming lol

I know what it feels like, but it's time to get used to it because if you're right, I'm also used to having routes on which to choose between ntr and not ntr, but it's time to hold on because the story is still good, although if there's a future in which you want to do another route I'm happy I can handle to play it hahahaha, but I have a doubt the HT3 is going to have battlesI know what it feels like, but it's time to get used to it because if you're right, I'm also used to having routes on which to choose between ntr and not ntr, but it's time to hold on because the story is still good, although if there's a future in which you want to do another route I'm happy I can handle to play it hahahaha, but I have a doubt the HT3 is going to have battles , but even if they can be disabled, does that not also affect the story? because when there are battles people are supposed to raise the character's exp to avoid disasters, but if you're going to see battles you're going to lose if or if you don't lose your senses that?

 

[RogueEagle]

I know what it feels like, but it's time to get used to it because if you're right, I'm also used to having routes on which to choose between ntr and not ntr, but it's time to hold on because the story is still good, although if there's a future in which you want to do another route I'm happy I can handle to play it hahahaha, but I have a doubt the HT3 is going to have battlesI know what it feels like, but it's time to get used to it because if you're right, I'm also used to having routes on which to choose between ntr and not ntr, but it's time to hold on because the story is still good, although if there's a future in which you want to do another route I'm happy I can handle to play it hahahaha, but I have a doubt the HT3 is going to have battles , but even if they can be disabled, does that not also affect the story? because when there are battles people are supposed to raise the character's exp to avoid disasters, but if you're going to see battles you're going to lose if or if you don't lose your senses that?

Lets hope that in HT3 he puts routes that if the player is smart he can stop NTR from happening to at least his love interest or someone of his choice, a save one sacrifice the other kinda of scenario so that in that way he doesn't need to change much the way he makes his games.