On top of that, it doesn't matter what high quality of anything is added to the porn game it's still a porn game. That's specifically written around fetishes. Trying to pretend otherwise doesn't help your position. This isn't high art, it will always be just porn. Also, yeah it is a contradiction by calling pacing atrocious and then claiming it doesn't bother you.
Hard disagree. In fact I think you are the one comparing porn-games to other games. You dragged this whole point about how porn games are "just" porn games and not comparable to other media into this debate.
What site do you think you're on? These are porn games. There isn't a single game on this platform that could qualify as good story-writing. Anyone that says otherwise is full of it. They're all following specific story conveniences to fit the fetishes within the cobbled together made up scenes. This is a Netorare story. Same as all the other games have specific fetish stories. If you're looking for something more than a fetish story, go to a library.
I am of the strong opinion that each form of media is art, that includes porn, especially so if it is drawn or written (if it was filmed then it would be in the realm of "performing arts"). But like I said, you are the one taking that statement of
NTRprofessionalconsumer about the pacing and narrative and start the comparison by saying "this is just porn, dont pretend its another form of media". And then you back that point up by listing all of the natural constraints that the genre comes with, namely suspension of disbelief and an overfocus on sexual content. I think though what
everyone else in here is doing is not compare the narrative of a porn game to other media, but rather rate it within it's own genre. Looking down upon a piece of work just because the primary goal is masturbation is stupid. Equally so, skill is required to strike the balance between making people exited, aroused, interested in the characters and world and to keep a proper pacing to let the narrative come to fruition. These are the kinds of (rare) games that you come for the "plot" but stay for the plot, and you play the game to the end and ideally you leave satisfied, maybe even come back every once in a while.
Anyway, all that stuff aside.
I agree with some here who say that Leto is too "uninvolved" (so far), especially considering I would say we are at least 50% through the game. My favorite subgenre of NTR is hidden cheating and corruption, so HC perfectly hits my spot. But I agree that the way the narrative is going so far, there is little (even indirect) antagonism between the "villains" and Leto. All of that can still come ofc, but the bread crumbs hopefully start falling soon, just to nudge him in the direction of "something is going on". I think it would be dissatisfying and way too simple to end this game on the conclusion of "and Leto never knew anything till the very end, the Duke has the Kingdom now, Ulrod has a high position and is with Cyanna, lots of people are suffering, bla, bla, bla.
I would see the best course this game can take and still keep an authentic NTR experience in a phyricc victory kind of ending, where Leto stops the plot that grips the Kingdom overall, but maybe looses the girls (or some of them depending on the specific ending you get).
Ofc we can also include a super-bad ending where basically everything falls to ruin, leto gets chased out the country or never realizes anything and is the hero under the duke and whatnot while rose gets screwed and he finds out years down the line, then a plot where its middle of the road, as well as a "happy end" or a "revenge" end, etc. etc. But that is unrealistic. Too much work, too much resources, too long a time it would take, and many more reasons why not.
Realistically, there could be one "bad end" and a "mixed end" and a "bittersweet end". I see bad end territory in either everything going to shit or at least him loosing the girl(s) for good. Mixed ending would mean a trade-off, and imo the best-feeling end actually. We do have the NTR fix of "loss of S.O." while maybe getting some kind of victory like saving the country. Imo this is the most likely thing to happen at the current trajectory of the story, and also the one that makes the most sense "Leto the hero, but he will never have his girl". "bittersweet" or "revenge" would involve either Leto finding a solace (finds out, saves his girl, forgives her OR gets another girl in the end, arrives at a point he is satisfied OR actually gets revenge down the line).
The problem for all of these is "how do we get there in an organic way in the time left till the finale?". How do we make Leto realize what is going on with the schemes behind the scenes? Cause as much as NTR is about powerlessness, we have built up this whole story with Leto as the hero who defies that. Despite being CLUELESS, he actually proves in every situation that whatever challenge gets thrown at him he grows with it. People continously expect him to fail or at least underestimate how good he does his job, and he continously surprises him. How would that not suggest that down the line in the narrative, he at least would save the Kingdom, even if he looses the girls ? (Edit: Wouldn't it make it even SWEETER of an experience to have Leto be such a capable guy and manage to do so much but then experience powerlessness in the face of his love life?)
Another core problem connected to this that some people seem to have with the current plot is, and I think I partially agree with that: Aside from Rose (which imo is also the hottest story because of that and because of countless other reasons), all of the girls, including Cyanna, are not directly romantic with Leto, Leto should not feel any problem or hurt (beyond feeling sorry for them to change in a negative way) from them starting something with other partners. Which - while it is still NTR in a broad sense - does definitely exist on the fringes of NTR.
sorry, this post is a bit rambly and while I feel my paragraphs themselves are coherent I feel the order in which I put them might be a bit mixed up. I hope you can still see a throughline in what Im saying. Im a bit tired today
