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I'm not really sure how to express this feeling...
The narrative and feeling of this game is great, it really feels like an . As such, the contents of this game feels too little? That's to say, if the current content per update holds, all classes would receive 1-2 more contents before v1.0. That doesn't feel enough to finish the story with this many characters?
 

Slamjax

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I'm not really sure how to express this feeling...
The narrative and feeling of this game is great, it really feels like an . As such, the contents of this game feels too little? That's to say, if the current content per update holds, all classes would receive 1-2 more contents before v1.0. That doesn't feel enough to finish the story with this many characters?
After v0.9.0 will come v0.10.0, v0.11.0 etc...
 

Rosen King

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Oh, Patreon version got leaked. Gonna be weird if we get a 3.1/4.1 but this thread stays stuck at 4.0. No changelog visible, but I'm guessing the only thing added in this update was the first chapter(s) of the fourth route?


Anywho, would it be possible to split the replay gallery between the four (or five, counting prologue) routes? It seems to currently be just in the order that the scenes were added to the game, which makes it hard to tell whether you've missed a scene in the route you're playing.
 

RandomGuy99

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Oh, Patreon version got leaked. Gonna be weird if we get a 3.1/4.1 but this thread stays stuck at 4.0. No changelog visible, but I'm guessing the only thing added in this update was the first chapter(s) of the fourth route?


Anywho, would it be possible to split the replay gallery between the four (or five, counting prologue) routes? It seems to currently be just in the order that the scenes were added to the game, which makes it hard to tell whether you've missed a scene in the route you're playing.
The Warlord path was leaked. There no need for change log since there is only Warlord and Druid minor story update.
 
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Slamjax

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Oh, Patreon version got leaked. Gonna be weird if we get a 3.1/4.1 but this thread stays stuck at 4.0. No changelog visible, but I'm guessing the only thing added in this update was the first chapter(s) of the fourth route?
Yeah, this month has been weird and rough. I've actually lost supporters and income with the latest release. Since Heroes of Celtica was launched, I've not been able to grow my supporter base at all - it been an almost perfect flat line from the prologue until this month, where it is now dipping (guess a few don't like the vibe of the Bard). With Stellar Incognita, I would at least get 3-5 new supporters with each update - it was really slow, but it was progress. I think as I neared v1.0.0 of that game, I maxed out at 55 paid supporters. For those 39 paid supporters that currently remain, I don't think it will take much for half of them to leave. With two completed games, this is not the direction I wanted to be going in for supporter growth. It takes a lot of free time after real work to get an update out, so I want to feel my effort is worth it.

Clearly, Celtica is not resonating with enough people that they want to support its development. Hardly anyone knows this game exists and it hasn't gained any critical mass, so that's also a problem. A lot of my core support at the moment comes from those people that have stuck around since Stellar Incognita. In the months to come, I will absolutely need to make some hard decisions - do I put the game on hiatus or do I only focus on one route? Or something else? I think the fundamental issue is that people that want mind-control in their adult games want to get right into those scenes and don't want too much story or slow-burn to get to it. I can understand that. This is not a sob-story, it's just the hard truth.

For the rest of February, I am focusing on Stellar Incognita EX with the aim of an eventual Steam release. I'll consider my options in the next few weeks. Maybe make a Patreon post to see what my remaining supporters think, but I've already got ideas.
 
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Yeah, this month has been rough. I've actually lost supporters and income with the latest release. Since Heroes of Celtica was launched, I've not been able to grow my supporter base at all - it been an almost perfect flat line from the prologue until this month, where it is now dipping (guess a few don't like the vibe of the Bard). With Stellar Incognita, I would at least get 3-5 new supporters with each update - it was really slow, but it was progress. I think as I neared v1.0.0 of that game, I maxed out at 55 paid supporters. For those 39 paid supporters that currently remain, I don't think it will take much for half of them to leave. With two completed games, this is not the direction I wanted to be going in for supporter growth. It takes a lot of free time after real work to get an update out, so I want to feel my effort is worth it.

Clearly, Celtica is not resonating with enough people that they want to support its development. Hardly anyone knows this game exists and it hasn't gained any critical mass, so that's also a problem. A lot of my core support at the moment comes from those people that have stuck around since Stellar Incognita. In the months to come, I will absolutely need to make some hard decisions - do I put the game on hiatus or do I only focus on one route? Or something else? I think the fundamental issue is that people that want mind-control in their adult games want to get right into those scenes and don't want too much story or slow-burn to get to it. I can understand that. This is not a sob-story, it's just the hard truth.

For the rest of February, I am focusing on Stellar Incognita EX with the aim of an eventual Steam release. I'll consider my options in the next few weeks. Maybe make a Patreon post to see what my remaining supporters think, but I've already got ideas.
i can only say why i personally wouldn't support a project like that. you are making for all intend and purpose 4 different games. If i am only interested in one of those games i would pay you 3/4 of the time to work not for me.

And even if i plan to play all 4 paths your ideas all sound awesome but are they realistic?
 
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Slamjax

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i can only say why i personally wouldn't support a project like that. you are making for all intend and purpose 4 different games. If i am only interested in one of those games i would pay you 3/4 of the time to work not for me.

And even if i plan to play all 4 paths your ideas all sound awesome but are they realistic?
Good point and fair feedback. The obvious choice, based on the supporter base I have, would be Druid. That's why Druid gets an update every release, but maybe not enough for someone to open their wallets in these tough times.
To try and expand out the supporter base, Champion and Bard are there for those that want an adult fantasy adventure where the MC is somewhat likeable and you build relationships with your female teammates - that seems not to be working, though.
 
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smk5854

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I was attracted to the mind control content in the Druid route. I recently became a supporter on Patreon after playing v0.22. The new scene with Saivah is not only erotic but well written. Currently the game is split into 4 paths, each taking turns in the updates, effectively making it 4 games in 1. For me personally, I’m only interested in the mind control story in this game. I would like to continue supporting it as long as every update brings high quality mind control stuff.
 
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Rosen King

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In the months to come, I will absolutely need to make some hard decisions - do I put the game on hiatus or do I only focus on one route? Or something else? I think the fundamental issue is that people that want mind-control in their adult games want to get right into those scenes and don't want too much story or slow-burn to get to it. I can understand that. This is not a sob-story, it's just the hard truth.
I don't know if it'll solve the supporter problem, but I do think one solvable issue would be focusing on just one route at a time. Slow burn combined with drip-feed isn't a great combination, and I personally don't think the problem is how much story there is between scenes, but how much real time there is between updates. As the other person said, someone who's only interested in one route will feel like they're waiting for three other games to update before getting back to the one they're interested in. Of course, this may end up with people dropping out altogether when their preferred route ends and you move on to the others... But as the saying goes, "He who chases two rabbits will catch neither." (Maybe. I don't know shit about Patreon or engagement farming or anything like that.)

I will say, as a connoisseur of mind control, I *do* prefer a slow burn, and hate when games just use it as an excuse to skip to generic sex. But the modern Patreon drip-feed model naturally conflicts with that, where it's not "the payoff comes later in the game" but rather "the payoff comes in several months/years when a later update comes out". Coupled with the fact that there are so many games that handle the mind control like garbage once they finally get to it, I usually recommend doing it both ways and fast-track some mind control in the beginning of the game to give people a taste of what to expect. The current version of this one does a decent job of that with the second Etain scene, so I don't think that necessarily needs to be addressed. But I often recommend giving the protagonist an early victim who becomes their partner in crime (or their "Renfield") for their later conquests, as it's a perfect excuse to stop and have sexy times with your plaything (including making further tweaks to their personality and tastes just for the fun of it) whenever things seem to be going slow.

But I'm getting off track. I think focusing on one route with bigger updates in less time will do a lot for making the slow burn feel less slow. And as long as each update covers a wider portion of the story, it should be less of a problem meeting the "quota" of sex/mind control scenes that makes the update feel worth downloading, regardless of the in-game gap between them. But maybe plan for a sharp decrease in subscribers when you shift over to less popular routes. Setting aside a portion of the first route's income as a sort of "buffer" for other routes might help ease that. (Maybe. I don't know shit about money, either.)
 
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Good point and fair feedback. The obvious choice, based on the supporter base I have, would be Druid. That's why Druid gets an update every release, but maybe not enough for someone to open their wallets in these tough times.
To try and expand out the supporter base, Champion and Bard are there for those that want an adult fantasy adventure where the MC is somewhat likeable and you build relationships with your female teammates - that seems not to be working, though.
i'm only here because i looked for new harem games and i didn't play your game yet. But i also enjoy mindcontrol games as long as MC is the one controlling.
Maybe you should go back to the drawing board and combine the routes? you dont really need a warlord, bard, rouge and druid route. MC could be a mage knight who is building his entourage trough high charisma and corruption of those that are less willing to bow to him you would get both mind control and the relationship building. Maybe have different routes for some companions or have some romance and others pure corruption. All that would let you concentrate on one big plot instead of 4 and make the updates bigger for the player.

despite all that the market is saturated breaking into it is hard. If you introduce 3 LIs early on that all like the MC it would give you the harem tag which opens the game to a far bigger audience, which is far easier if you dont have to split the game like you did. And I agree with what Rosen King said you kinda cut your own Achilles tendons. But i'm just spitballin'
 
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it's not that simple, let me enlighten all of you and there is a lot of reasons why you are not getting much support slamjax. one of the points is paypal, subscribestar and patreon are not universal, readily accessible in many countries. second this porn game market is saturated with tens of thousands of games, you are competing against them. you are also competing against live service games, gacha games, aaa pc games for an individuals interest and their time. fornite, call of duty franchise, diablo 4, genshin impact, etcetera people waste thousands of dollars and their precious time in these, for a sliver, fraction of data, png they can get. people interests are also aligning with putting money in crypto, simping so alot of their money goes to onlyfans models, a simple hello from their beloved only fans girl is enough for these dudes to blow thousands of dollars. now after people get engaged in these diverse fields or activities, what remains is a very niche, small community of people that play these choose your own adventure games.
 
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