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Maccabbee

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Wait, we're supposed to make sense here? Rational thought in a forum? :rolleyes:

(sorry, forgot to show the sarcastic intent of the comment)
 
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filosoff89

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Wait, we're supposed to make sense here? Rational thought in a forum? :rolleyes:
In Suzi's case, let's face it: she gets angry quite often. While this is the case, her relationship with the caveman is at an impasse. I tried to ask myself: why and how to fix it? There are no other ideas like a problem with Dad.
 

whatone

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Simply. For example, I hate drug dealers. As a phenomenon.
I think he's joking because you previously posted that you can't hate someone who doesn't have a face.
Now you're saying that you hate someone's occupation - which does not have a face.
I think he's simply pointing out the amusing nature of you contradicting yourself.
 
Dec 22, 2020
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Pity and love are two different words (as they say in Odesa). Pity leads people to friendship, but not to romance. MС and Charlotte would have become good friends, but not lovers. Charlotte is a melancholic. She usually acts after someone motivates her. Examples? She hired MС only after Lucy told her it was necessary. She agreed to put cameras around the house only after MС insisted on it. She went to rescue MС from prison (after the murder of the detective) only after Agent Fox told her what to do. And so it goes from time to time. Not to mention that when trouble happens, she picks up a bottle. I don't mind helping her solve her problems, but I won't call it love.
You can sympathize with anyone, but this does not mean that this will lead to friendship. You can remain barely known people. There is also sex out of pity (remember Miranda from "Sex and the City"?). You can go on a date out of pity. Feelings do not lead to anything, they can influence our actions, provided that this person is susceptible to the influence of these emotions.

Is Charlie a melancholic? That's something new! Although there is still no scientific evidence for temperament types. Due to the fact that this theory was invented by Hippocrates in the 5th century BC and this theory lived with us until the 19th century, it was not amenable to any justification. Modern psychology does not consider this very seriously, but let’s talk about it.

Melancholic is a person with high introversion and high neurotic characteristics (according to the EPQ scale). These people are easily hurt, deeply suffering even because of minor difficulties and failures, but outwardly sluggishly react to the environment. They quickly get tired, are often unsure of themselves, they do not like to be the center of attention and communicate with other people carefully and tactfully.

Dividing people strictly according to temperament types is a misconception. Each person can have a dominant temperament, it can have features of another temperament. Charlie has more characteristics of a sanguine: she is extroverted - otherwise she would not have chosen the profession of a model, and she likes to communicate with people, she is sympathetic - she helped Amy with her seriously ill son, having paid for his expensive treatment, thereby saving his life. Even earlier, Charlie helped Valentini in his career as a fashion designer. Charlie also expresses her agreement to help other young models and to speak out in their defense, because they have no one to help them, even though she is not safe, but for their sake, she is ready to sacrifice herself and ready to fight her own fears. She wants to help the people around her. The fact that she is pushed to solve problems only because she is afraid. She feels herself like a beaten animal, tired of fighting for its life. An inert and rigid melancholic cannot be moved or encouraged to change her activities. Is she pessimistic? No. At the very beginning of the game, she thinks about her happiness. When discussing with her friend Vicky, she does not lose hope of meeting a worthy man.

If she were melancholic, then why would she become the queen of Hillside? She could work in some magazine, get a small salary and not dream of more? Why would she do all of that? A risky and ambitious project is not for this type of temperament. The melancholic performs the usual functions better within the framework of his education and experience. Her feelings and emotions do not have strict control, she is prone to risky actions - she still hires MC, despite her attitude towards men, although Emma was in danger. She took a risk, and the risk was justified.

We're just analyzing the psychology of the character. Although it's difficult without full information.
At least you must know the subject to talk about it. Arguments without theoretical knowledge are simply ignorant.

In Suzi's case, let's face it: she gets angry quite often. While this is the case, her relationship with the caveman is at an impasse. I tried to ask myself: why and how to fix it? There are no other ideas like a problem with Dad.
It seems that you chose the nickname here on the site as a philosopher, whom you are not. I will tactfully not point out your cons (I hope you know them. And even if you don't, other players have even indirectly indicated them on this forum).
 
Dec 22, 2020
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I don't mind that too much because once you play enough of these games, that's largely how it is. For me, I just thought there were too many "thoughts" (elsewhere in the update as well, not just during this scene). I didn't replay from the start, so it's been a while, but I can't remember there being so many thoughts in the rest of the game. That's what started to take me out of the game a bit. I'm just glad to be back with these characters though after dev had such a hard time lately. It's never easy to go through something like that, and yet he still came and delivered an update. I'm beginning to wonder if the spoiler with Charlotte and MC at a funeral was less a spoiler and more a form of catharsis, as they joined dev in saying goodbye to his sister.
On the contrary, I liked the increase in the number of characters' thoughts. We perceive them more alive, we understand what they are thinking about, what they really feel. I would not characterize their thoughts as long or drawn out. (But there are some scenes that are worth conveying, making them more dynamic). There really were fewer of them before.

DB is a strong and resilient person. Thanks a lot to his parents for having him. I join the words of the charming
2024 was a a tough one for you, i really hope 2025 is a good one for you.
It seems to me that DB has opened up further events in the plot - visiting his mother's grave - because his mother, whom he wanted and failed to save from her stepfather's violence, played a certain role in the development of MC and his character. This would be a good time for MC to tell Charlie more about his life. The place? It would be quite picturesque if it were a bench in the park or the shade of the trees during their promenade in the park, but it would be unprofessional from the MC's point of view (the principal should not be in public places for a long time, where anyone can attack them). So could it be the house or a secluded table in a café? Who knows? In general, the topic of the MC's attitude towards his mother in the last update was quite discouraging to me. The MC was waiting for the right moment to leave her after his brothers left. "Profound and close relationship" - nothing to say! But in order to move on to discussing something specific or drawing conclusions, we need to learn more about the MC's family. I look forward to the next updates!
 

Allenebs

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Honestly, I'd argue that this story has largely reached its inevitable end. I'm surprised that it doesn't have a completed tag, as any continuation of THIS story will be a disservice to what we have. That's not to say their stories can't be iterated upon, just that the events leading up to this point have concluded as cleanly as they ever could. From here, we will have to return to a state of escalation rather than resolution. And while I'd say this story could be refined and even slightly expanded upon, it's too near perfect for what it is to just continue on.

From both a storytelling and business level, it makes sense to wrap up anything here that isn't quite resolved (that list is very short) and just start a direct sequel. Something I prefer over seasons, optically. It's easier for us to separate iterations from continuations. Ghostbusters being objectively superior to Ghostbusters 2 doesn't detract from those movies, but GoT seasons 7 and 8 ABSOLUTELY detract from the series as a whole.

And if Hillside falls off from this point, where there is already a near perfect resolution to events from the information we currently have, it could destroy what Hillside has established. As it is, to build on what we have we have to go back through the process of escalation. And it's going to have to be a much harder to resolve problem, as we are now moving into systemic problems and away from just the peripheral ones we've experience so far.

I also hate to say it, but Charlotte's ex also has to return bc he's at the heart of the problems, even if indirectly. He's the one that broke Charlotte, which lead to the systemic problems she has allowed herself to endure, even if while trying (and failing) to protect others from them. And for her to have any chance to truly resolve the systemic problems she desires to take on, she will have to resolve the one that started it all or else put herself and those around her at even greater risk.

The only writer I'd trust more in this space is Drifty. And a big part of that is him knowing it was time to move on to U4IA. I don't even think I'd suggest a remaster of this game, unless it was just to future tighten up the dialogue or give the player more decisions to and flexibility to pursue Lucy or Charlotte. Maybe an option to stay professional through this entire game while maintaining the option to pursue Charlotte, Lucy, Emma, Suzi in any further stories. Or maybe even someone else. Personally, I could understand a path with any of Charlotte, Lucy or Emma (I don't find Suzi physically attractive and short of a breaking/corruption arc, I find her personality abhorrent.) Those 3, while flawed, have some amazing individual strengths and relatable weaknesses. Unlike Suzi, they're fully fleshed out characters who you get to see at their best and worst and you know any of them would die to protect the ones they love. Suzi is definitely the exception. Her actions/behavior could very well have caused great harm to those she alleges to care about and never once truly stopped to consider that possibility.
 

Joshy92

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Honestly, I'd argue that this story has largely reached its inevitable end. I'm surprised that it doesn't have a completed tag, as any continuation of THIS story will be a disservice to what we have. That's not to say their stories can't be iterated upon, just that the events leading up to this point have concluded as cleanly as they ever could. From here, we will have to return to a state of escalation rather than resolution. And while I'd say this story could be refined and even slightly expanded upon, it's too near perfect for what it is to just continue on.

From both a storytelling and business level, it makes sense to wrap up anything here that isn't quite resolved (that list is very short) and just start a direct sequel. Something I prefer over seasons, optically. It's easier for us to separate iterations from continuations. Ghostbusters being objectively superior to Ghostbusters 2 doesn't detract from those movies, but GoT seasons 7 and 8 ABSOLUTELY detract from the series as a whole.

And if Hillside falls off from this point, where there is already a near perfect resolution to events from the information we currently have, it could destroy what Hillside has established. As it is, to build on what we have we have to go back through the process of escalation. And it's going to have to be a much harder to resolve problem, as we are now moving into systemic problems and away from just the peripheral ones we've experience so far.

I also hate to say it, but Charlotte's ex also has to return bc he's at the heart of the problems, even if indirectly. He's the one that broke Charlotte, which lead to the systemic problems she has allowed herself to endure, even if while trying (and failing) to protect others from them. And for her to have any chance to truly resolve the systemic problems she desires to take on, she will have to resolve the one that started it all or else put herself and those around her at even greater risk.

The only writer I'd trust more in this space is Drifty. And a big part of that is him knowing it was time to move on to U4IA. I don't even think I'd suggest a remaster of this game, unless it was just to future tighten up the dialogue or give the player more decisions to and flexibility to pursue Lucy or Charlotte. Maybe an option to stay professional through this entire game while maintaining the option to pursue Charlotte, Lucy, Emma, Suzi in any further stories. Or maybe even someone else. Personally, I could understand a path with any of Charlotte, Lucy or Emma (I don't find Suzi physically attractive and short of a breaking/corruption arc, I find her personality abhorrent.) Those 3, while flawed, have some amazing individual strengths and relatable weaknesses. Unlike Suzi, they're fully fleshed out characters who you get to see at their best and worst and you know any of them would die to protect the ones they love. Suzi is definitely the exception. Her actions/behavior could very well have caused great harm to those she alleges to care about and never once truly stopped to consider that possibility.
There won't be seasons or sequels it's just one contained story.

And there is still plenty left to deal with. Emma's feeling towards MC on her path, Sex with Charlotte and helping her heal and plenty of other things.
 

tslojr

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I also hate to say it, but Charlotte's ex also has to return bc he's at the heart of the problems, even if indirectly. He's the one that broke Charlotte, which lead to the systemic problems she has allowed herself to endure, even if while trying (and failing) to protect others from them. And for her to have any chance to truly resolve the systemic problems she desires to take on, she will have to resolve the one that started it all or else put herself and those around her at even greater risk.
Charlotte's ex? Are you referring to the guy that she never had a relationship with that nearly beat her to death in an alley? Pretty sure that's not her ex.
 

cooldevo

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Charlotte's ex? Are you referring to the guy that she never had a relationship with that nearly beat her to death in an alley? Pretty sure that's not her ex.
You are correct. The guy that beat Charlotte in the alley was not the ex-husband. It was an actor that went after her when he thought she had a video of him making MC's *original* Emma take drugs to die of an overdose. He was part of the group involved in luring and grooming women, along with the director.

Based on the retelling of Charlotte he just abandoned the family. That wasn't what caused her trauma with me. The above guy was front and centre there.
 

tslojr

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You are correct. The guy that beat Charlotte in the alley was not the ex-husband. It was an actor that went after her when he thought she had a video of him making MC's *original* Emma take drugs to die of an overdose. He was part of the group involved in luring and grooming women, along with the director.

Based on the retelling of Charlotte he just abandoned the family. That wasn't what caused her trauma with me. The above guy was front and centre there.
In fairness, I was being a little tongue-in-cheek. Bro typed a whole-ass manuscript about what should be going on with the story of the game and in doing so clearly demonstrated he hasn't even been paying attention to the story.
 

MiltonPowers

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Honestly, I'd argue that this story has largely reached its inevitable end. I'm surprised that it doesn't have a completed tag, as any continuation of THIS story will be a disservice to what we have. That's not to say their stories can't be iterated upon, just that the events leading up to this point have concluded as cleanly as they ever could. From here, we will have to return to a state of escalation rather than resolution. And while I'd say this story could be refined and even slightly expanded upon, it's too near perfect for what it is to just continue on.

From both a storytelling and business level, it makes sense to wrap up anything here that isn't quite resolved (that list is very short) and just start a direct sequel. Something I prefer over seasons, optically. It's easier for us to separate iterations from continuations. Ghostbusters being objectively superior to Ghostbusters 2 doesn't detract from those movies, but GoT seasons 7 and 8 ABSOLUTELY detract from the series as a whole.

And if Hillside falls off from this point, where there is already a near perfect resolution to events from the information we currently have, it could destroy what Hillside has established. As it is, to build on what we have we have to go back through the process of escalation. And it's going to have to be a much harder to resolve problem, as we are now moving into systemic problems and away from just the peripheral ones we've experience so far.

I also hate to say it, but Charlotte's ex also has to return bc he's at the heart of the problems, even if indirectly. He's the one that broke Charlotte, which lead to the systemic problems she has allowed herself to endure, even if while trying (and failing) to protect others from them. And for her to have any chance to truly resolve the systemic problems she desires to take on, she will have to resolve the one that started it all or else put herself and those around her at even greater risk.

The only writer I'd trust more in this space is Drifty. And a big part of that is him knowing it was time to move on to U4IA. I don't even think I'd suggest a remaster of this game, unless it was just to future tighten up the dialogue or give the player more decisions to and flexibility to pursue Lucy or Charlotte. Maybe an option to stay professional through this entire game while maintaining the option to pursue Charlotte, Lucy, Emma, Suzi in any further stories. Or maybe even someone else. Personally, I could understand a path with any of Charlotte, Lucy or Emma (I don't find Suzi physically attractive and short of a breaking/corruption arc, I find her personality abhorrent.) Those 3, while flawed, have some amazing individual strengths and relatable weaknesses. Unlike Suzi, they're fully fleshed out characters who you get to see at their best and worst and you know any of them would die to protect the ones they love. Suzi is definitely the exception. Her actions/behavior could very well have caused great harm to those she alleges to care about and never once truly stopped to consider that possibility.
You can make your own dream come true.

Don't download any more updates and press the ignore button at the top of the page.
The story will end for you and you'll be happy. :)

Meanwhile, those of us that want to see the development of the characters and the relationship(s) finale(s) can enjoy the future updates. And we'll be happy.

Everybody wins. :love:
 
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