VN Ren'Py Hillside [v0.15 First Half] [DarkBlue]

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UncleFredo

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NewTricks said:
While I find your naive optimism adorable I do think that we are gonna have to agree to disagree at some point because thus far your arguments have left me unmoved. I will hold to my pessimism and my distrust of the corrupt people in power in this fictional world where there hasn't been any justice so far and I frankly don't see any on the horizon.
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You believe that people in power, whether from wealth, celebrity, or political power, or any combination of the three enjoy special access and privilege when dealing with the legal system, and those without that access get screwed. I happen to agree. What we disagree on is whether or not Charlotte is in one or more of those groups and will extend that access to the MC. I've made the case that Charlotte is, pretty much by definition a member of the privileged class.

So it comes down to this. We disagree about Charlotte's access and or support for the MC. Your pessimism is NOT about system, because we agree it's fucked up. Your pessimism is about CHARLOTTE, either her access or her commitment. So if I am naively optimistic, it's in my assessment of Charlotte, and I'm 100% fine with being optimistic about her. Frankly, nothing has suggested that at this point Charlotte won't stand up. So yeah we can agree to disagree, but it's important to understand the points of our disagreement.
 
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UncleFredo said:
You believe that people in power, whether from wealth, celebrity, or political power, or any combination of the three enjoy special access and privilege when dealing with the legal system, and those without that access get screwed. I happen to agree. What we disagree on is whether or not Charlotte is in one or more of those groups and will extend that access to the MC. I've made the case that Charlotte is, pretty much by definition a member of the privileged class.

So it comes down to this. We disagree about Charlotte's access and or support for the MC. Your pessimism is NOT about system, because we agree it's fucked up. Your pessimism is about CHARLOTTE, either her access or her commitment. So if I am naively optimistic, it's in my assessment of Charlotte, and I'm 100% fine with being optimistic about her. Frankly, nothing has suggested that at this point Charlotte won't stand up. So yeah we can agree to disagree, but it's important to understand the points of our disagreement.
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I would like to be on your side in this, and, in fact, I have been on your side on this. But I just remembered what happened with Charlotte's last interaction with the powers in Hillside. You remember, a few years? ago that Charlotte got the crap beat out of her on a public street here. She almost died. And what happened to the attacker? Essentially nothing. He disappeared from town and stopped his acting career. I'm afraid that we can't count on Charlotte's star value in this town.
As always, I am willing to discuss my theories and I have to give a caveat here in that I don't exactly remember the entire conversation about this. There may even be some issues from this event remaining. I think I remember that someone said that Charlotte dropped the charges or something, but that was the (dead) dirty cop.
 
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UncleFredo

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BillyPlums said:
I would like to be on your side in this, and, in fact, I have been on your side on this. But I just remembered what happened with Charlotte's last interaction with the powers in Hillside. You remember, a few years? ago that Charlotte got the crap beat out of her on a public street here. She almost died. And what happened to the attacker? Essentially nothing. He disappeared from town and stopped his acting career. I'm afraid that we can't count on Charlotte's star value in this town.
As always, I am willing to discuss my theories and I have to give a caveat here in that I don't exactly remember the entire conversation about this. There may even be some issues from this event remaining. I think I remember that someone said that Charlotte dropped the charges or something, but that was the (dead) dirty cop.
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Points well made. However, there are a couple of differences. Charlotte never pursued justice for what happened to her. In fact she largely hid what happened to her. This event didn't just happen to her. It happened to her daughter and her in a more peripheral fashion. No one knows what would have happened if Charlotte had gone public with her beating and the details of who was involved. She chose not to confront those forces, but she felt that she only needed to be concerned with the threat to herself. Now she has to be concerned with the threat to Emma, herself, and the MC and possibly to Lucy and Suzi. Plus we've seen Charlotte BEGIN to toughen up. She doesn't feel as alone, with only Lucy for limited support. She's getting support from the MC. Plus she feels the commitment that the MC had to protect the "other" Emma. A commitment she shared and a desire for the MC and her to finally get justice for that murdered woman.

A badly beaten woman deciding to avoid the fallout when all she wants is to put is behind her is very different than deciding not to protect her daughter and the man that saved both of you. We'll see how it plays out, but I just don't see her throwing the MC to the wolves.
 
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Bruce F. Lee

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UncleFredo said:
Were it you or I we'd certainly be put through the wringer. However, Charlotte Lloyd is not you nor I. She's the top model on the planet. If you look at the women who achieve that, they are uniformly worth hundreds of millions of dollars. She commands a massive media presence. The strength of legal representation that she can bring to the defense of the man that saved her and her daughter lives, from Zak Prince's killer, is beyond anything you or I can imagine. That legal representation by definition will be connected to the local and national power structure. All facets of law enforcement know this. The scrutiny over the investigation, evidence, witnesses, etc will be intensive. The lawyer(s) handling the case will be on a first name basis with the DA. The investigators employed by those lawyer(s) will have personal relationships with the investigating law officers. However unofficially or casually, they will be able to get "inside" how law enforcement is handling the case. Breaches in procedure will be known to the defense team as they happen, so they won't happen.

Plus this mess stinks. Carter was a murdering psychopath, who killed Zak, kidnapped Emma, held her at knife point (assault with a deadly weapon), assaulted the MC and attempted to murder him. Not every cop in Hillside is corrupt. Not every lawyer in the district attorney's office is corrupt. Emma is an innocent 18 year old girl, some members of law enforcement are going to have a difficult time with an attempt to rail road the man who saved her and her mother. Even the corrupt cops and officials can be influenced to "do the right thing" if there's a seven figure retirement plan in the end. Plus media coverage will make the OJ trial look like a park opening.

So your reasoning would apply to you or to me, but not in this case. In this case it's self defense, and in the real world it never gets to trial. Charlotte's lawyer(s) agree not to sue the city, and it ends with a conversation between the DA, the head detective, and the MC's lawyer who agree to dismiss any charges with prejudice and permanently close the case. Get it?
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Your real-life analysis is correct. There would be no charges. It's a clear-cut case of self-defense and/or defense of another. Even in the most restrictive jurisdictions (e.g., those that require a relationship between the parties, satisfied here by the bodyguard relationship), defense of another would apply. Assuming Emma will testify she was in fear for her life, there will be no charges.
 
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Bruce F. Lee

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NewTricks said:
I see where you are coming from, but it isn't a matter of right or wrong. It is a matter of who's the boss. Who has the power. Who does the investigation? Who collects the evidence? Who gets to decide what evidence miraculously shows up and which conveniently disappears? Moreover, who has a lot of guns, a lot of friends, a lot of time, and are all indoctrinated into a culture of corruption where it is us against everybody else. You don't get to kill a cop and walk away. Get it?
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It really doesn't matter how deep the corruption goes unless it is so deep that they are willing to kill both Emma and Charlotte. Given the eyewitness testimony in this case -- i.e., Emma describing Carter's knife to her throat and express murderous intent -- no DA would be willing to go to trial. It would be irrational to do so, and to the extent the DA is corrupt, doing so would raise red flags. It would be far more likely that the DA, even if corrupt, would look at their own self-preservation and decide Carter had it coming for screwing up. The DA's office and the police are closely related, but they aren't the same thing.
 
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I am forever confused by the fact that everyone at the college talks about Emma like she's ugly. Sure, she's "plain" in the sense of not really dressing up/wearing makeup, but she's definitely not ugly lol. Her naivety is really concerning though. I know she's been sheltered but it almost feels like her emotional/mental development stopped when she was like 12 :confused:

BUT Zak in the parking lot? ... couldn't have happened to a nicer fellaaaa.
 
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damnmalic said:
Look I like the story the characters are ridiculously stupid but the stupidity of Emma tops it and is just annoying, no 18-year-old girl is that naive and plain stupid no matter how sheltered she is.
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She's not 18.

We talked about this.
 
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satyral09

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Hi good suspence and story, but although I have found the first variant of this game on the porn-games-hub, and I have downloaded it after this from f95zone and used the opening key listed here, the sex content I have found inside hits aproximately and at the moste as ... Erotic -game ** (only the tits, and one self satisfaction scene-which was not that bad, but still - ... its no porn game ) .. but a good suspence and story, -still enjoyed going it through!

So Thank you!
 
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N0nsens3

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The story still progressing but some stuff are being demystified and I loving it. I hope the creator don't kill anyone from the Lloyd monkaS
 
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N0nsens3 said:
The story still progressing but some stuff are being demystified and I loving it. I hope the creator don't kill anyone from the Lloyd monkaS
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That is one thought that I have never thought about but unless Emma actually grows up and stop acting like a 12 yrs old well I will stop here
 
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N0nsens3

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Old Dog said:
That is one thought that I have never thought about but unless Emma actually grows up and stop acting like a 12 yrs old well I will stop here
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Emma is asking to get killed lol. But I think the creator will kill Lucy and/or the MC; if it gonna be the MC, I'm more "okay" with it
 
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