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Hi all. I have some news - the game will be continued by a new developer - Yayati. He's a developer and writer, so you guys will finally see good English :) The development process will be displayed in this thread, so I'm asking moderator to remove the tag "Abandoned".
Great news I hope they don't change anything. Might want to warn them not to listen to the negative puritan harem brigade like this one:
I've seen a few games that were supposed to be continued by a new dev and guess what all of them are still abandoned.
This vn is unique and should stay that way. Excited to see more Especially after that cliffhanger
 
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The one thing I hope the new dev decides to do is remove the 'sister ghost' from the game for 3 reasons:

1. That substory involves a lot of flashbacks, flashbacks slowdown the progress of the story, and a lot of flashbacks will slowdown the main story a lot, which will get tedious in the long run.

2. There are already too many subplots in the games for one developer to deal with. There are enough subplots as of now for a major triple A game with a massive team of writers.

3. It's clear that she dies since she is a ghost, and killing off love interests in a harem game rarely goes down well with most fans.

Unless of course you have some very clever way of dealing with all that, but I honestly think this was an element the old dev didn't really consider like the whole 'another dude banging a girl' in the intro of a harem game... not the best move (though he later made it avoidable after people complained).
The ghost sister is one of the things that makes this stand apart and saves it from just becoming another harem clone.

We need more vns like this, tales from the unending void, desertstalker, and scars of fate. There are literally hundreds of puritan harem clones to play. I truly hope the new creator doesn't make them kind of changes and makes this Just another one...
 

goulet1995

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The ghost sister is one of the things that makes this stand apart and saves it from just becoming another harem clone.

We need more vns like this, tales from the unending void, desertstalker, and scars of fate. There are literally hundreds of puritan harem clones to play. I truly hope the new creator doesn't make them kind of changes and makes this Just another one...
i agree i was curious to see where dev was going to go with that. hope it stays as is a harem game that actually has interesting plot.
 

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MAKE Murica great again

and pardon my giberish but , this game have decent content , for what we can ask or hope or wait of a developer with so low suport , no surprice he taked that decition, Hope he can come back to follow the game and do more

found the game some days ago , now is like it was one year since 1 release


Decent even good game , for a new developer , much muhc beter of those DEVELOPER MILKERS WHO , do a update each year and have 5 k patreon bills monthly , for wallperpers DAMMED BE their suporters ,

THIS DEVELOPER need more suporters come on guys made him happy, be harem or be semi harem , as long as something me made is good
 
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firogenis80

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From what i've heard the new team that will take over, is actually the guy who wrote the scenario for this game in
the first place, so he knows the game and where it will go in the future, and a new guy who will focus on the renders....lets see where it will go and help the new team as much as we can
 

DiTo

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This last update introduces clones, so there's definitely bullshit that can be done to ressurect her spefically since they appear to keep the memories of the original if Kruger is anything to go by. I don't think a flashback (or an extensive flashback at least) is required unless there's a sex scene intended to be contained within it.
That leaves the father/daughter cloaking team, the group the dark girl is working for, the savages, and replacing Mongol, two of which are related and affected by Mongol's death and his choice of heir.
Extensive flashbacks would be required since if she is kept in the game many questions from the past would need to be answered such as: How did she die? Effects of her death on MC and how it changed him? What sort of person was the MC before her dead? The old dev also already established that she was a love interest so the relationship between her and the MC would need to be addressed. How did she become a ghost? Plus, the whole thing about ghosts and their ability to materialize and walk through walls are a big 'game changer' too so that would have to be addressed, such as: are there other ghosts, what role her abilities would play in the game? Those seem to be pretty OP abilities.

That whole side story is big enough to be a game in itself. Might be better to make it into a spinoff later if the game does well. Of course it's dev's choice. One solution I think is to make her just a ghost and not a ghost of the sister. I think that would remove the need to address the past relationship between her and the MC, but it would still leave a problem of her OP powers and how they will play into a game.

All of this are just my thoughts, the dev might have some clever way of dealing with all that, if so all I wrote is irrelevant.

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It leaves a lot more than what you wrote. In addition to all you wrote there is also saving the sister of Ava (the dark girl you mention), there are also all the relationships with all the women in your harem which so far come to 5, plus Ava, and the barbarian you saved... also the other bosses which would want to take advantage of Mongol's death (according to the story itself).

That's at least 11 subplots just off the top that you and I recall, and I think we missed a few. Not to mention some of those subplots will expand into a few more subplots on their own... and that's all by 1 or 2 devs... and with all that you think it's a good idea to have a substory with the 'sister ghost' too?

Rather that listing the changes you think the new developer should implement, let's give him time to show us his vision for the game. Unless, of course, you'd like to pick development to your vision.

2-3 days ago this VN was a dead cat bouncing. Now it has the potential for new life. Maybe we should let the new dev find his feet. Just sayin...
Maybe read before you reply... I didn't list changes, I suggested ONE change and listed 3 reasons why I think it would be for the best. What the dev ultimately does it fully up to him, it's not like what is written on this forum is something the dev must do. This is all just food for thought and a topic for discussion.

The ghost sister is one of the things that makes this stand apart and saves it from just becoming another harem clone.

We need more vns like this, tales from the unending void, desertstalker, and scars of fate. There are literally hundreds of puritan harem clones to play. I truly hope the new creator doesn't make them kind of changes and makes this Just another one...
You are looking at it from the perspective of a player, but now think about making it and resolving it given the staggering number of subplots and substories already in the game. Games with so much (too much) rarely see the end since all that simply overwhelms the dev or a small team. The ghost sister story is big enough to be a mid-sized game in itself. Of course it's ultimately up to the dev what he chooses to do. Whatever it is I just hope he thinks it over so he doesn't regret his choice down the line when it will be too late to change it.
 
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Hexprie

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That's probably naive, but I always assume these types of games are works of passion first and foremost.
So, realizing that the creator of something that I personally enjoyed so much was in it just for the money is especially disappointing.

Hope the new Dev is not like that, good luck to them.
 

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i'm calling it now. the ghost is a PTSD manifestation and his dead sister isnt dead. he just believes she is and therefore sometime later she'll show up again later on in the game as a LI.

Bam! problem of a missing LI and further incest rabbithole solved. now give me my cookie.
 

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I also only found this game a few days ago and I liked what I saw if I could support it I would but as of this month I had to drop a few Patreon games. If it ever continues, I hope I will be able to support it. I liked it a lot.
 

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i'm calling it now. the ghost is a PTSD manifestation and his dead sister isnt dead. he just believes she is and therefore sometime later she'll show up again later on in the game as a LI.

Bam! problem of a missing LI and further incest rabbithole solved. now give me my cookie.
That's a pretty cool idea, it would solve a lot of issues.
 
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Hexprie

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From what i've heard the new team that will take over, is actually the guy who wrote the scenario for this game in
the first place, so he knows the game and where it will go in the future, and a new guy who will focus on the renders....lets see where it will go and help the new team as much as we can
Yayati, can you confirm, is that true?
 

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What I don't understand why this game received so little attention. This game had one of the best incest buildings, and this is notoriously incest-infected forum, yet I found this by pure accident.

I hope the Dev does not stop creating games. There are literally worse games than this that are ranked higher, and supported more. I think the poor plot and worldbuilding ultimately caused the demise of if game. I see no other possible fault.
 
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Whenever someone starts making an indie porn game for the money, I just start laughing out loud. Can you make it? Sure. After you complete 1 or 2 games. And if it's just a hobby, good luck. That'll be like 4-5 years. With no money. When you're doing it for the money. That'll work out.

It's either a passion project, or abandonware. No inbetween.
 

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I see, you all are excited about chapter 6 so for you guys lit bit spoiler “MC will get help from savages “ &, sister is sure real ghost but the duo Of father and daughter are not ghosts, But they are One kind of mutant . Yet we will discuss About mutant concept to our patreon if they agree.. So wait for it..
Well somewhat good news that the game might continue. But bad news that sister is actually a real ghost. That's disappointing for me. I mean come on sister plus incest game, usually equals possible love interest. If she was a love interest and is dead that makes it even worse as there is no hope of saving her. It makes you as the player feel that you have already lost without even getting the chance to try. Plus dead love interests in games usually leave a bad impression or put off most players.

i'm calling it now. the ghost is a PTSD manifestation and his dead sister isnt dead. he just believes she is and therefore sometime later she'll show up again later on in the game as a LI.

Bam! problem of a missing LI and further incest rabbithole solved. now give me my cookie.
I have to agree that this kind of plotline is actually more interesting than oh she is dead and is now a ghost and somewhat makes more sense. It would be interesting to explore why the MC is seeing her as a ghost, whether it is a hallucination or if you want to go more mystical/sci-fi route a projection of her actual spirit calling out to the MC for help from possibly someplace she is trapped. Like if she were in some kind of stasis or cryo-sleep or something along those lines.
 
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Well somewhat good news that the game might continue. But bad news that sister is actually a real ghost. That's disappointing for me. I mean come on sister plus incest game, usually equals possible love interest. If she was a love interest and is dead that makes it even worse as there is no hope of saving her. It makes you as the player feel that you have already lost without even getting the chance to try. Plus dead love interests in games usually leave a bad impression or put off most players.



I have to agree that this kind of plotline is actually more interesting than oh she is dead and is now a ghost and somewhat makes more sense. It would be interesting to explore why the MC is seeing her as a ghost, whether it is a hallucination or if you want to go more mystical/sci-fi route a projection of her actual spirit calling out to the MC for help from possibly someplace she is trapped. Like if she were in some kind of stasis or cryo-sleep or something along those lines.
You have a valid point… & never say never…
 

Hornyowl

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Give me some time! & have some patience
That's all I can say....
Thank you for picking this up. I suggest you ignore negative comments on English for now. I don't think that was ever a major issue in the game. If the errors are fixed, fine. But there are many other games on F95 with much much worse dialogue. IMO think your focus should be on the next update, the overall plot, sub-plots etc.
 

Hornyowl

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If the new developer wants to continue this game, he's better off starting it from scratch using the characters he's been given and following the story.

Things like the good/bad karma and the whole "the good option isn't always the best" doesn't fly well with some people who don't want to make bad decisions in a "good guy" playthrough.

Also fuck NTR, it was a struggle to play this game because "all girls go to your lords harem"
Nobody, it's just the plot of the story itself.
I don't get it. Why were you playing the game then? You're basically telling the new developer to keep the characters but start a an entirely new game because YOU didn't like major aspects of the plot. Why don't you ask Grinvald for the assets and make your own?
 
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