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YogSothoth1982

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I liked both the story and most of the LIs.

I'm waiting to see how the MC helps Arwen change her dream of becoming the best prostitute in the kingdom for a better one.

For the rest, I hope that any relationship or scene with Drinja is optional, she doesn't interest me at all.

nice work, been playing your stuff since the original Max's life (deleted my old acct), you've come a long way! Looking forward to seeing where this goes.
I haven't tried the other game, mainly because from what I've read in the thread doesn't quite convince me. But this one goes in a direction that surely may interest me.
 

Kuggazer

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Sep 6, 2017
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Hi guys, happy new year. I hope you all had a good holiday season.

I wanted to ask you one thing. In the next update there is a scene between two women (Not closely related to mc)
I've read a few times that many people don't like to see lesbian scenes( I can understand that, even I'm not a fan) or even that they are considered ntr (This seems very very exaggerated to me).

What do you guys think about this?
Your feedback is important, which is why I prefer to ask.
 

Ghosty99

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Hi guys, happy new year. I hope you all had a good holiday season.

I wanted to ask you one thing. In the next update there is a scene between two women (Not closely related to mc)
I've read a few times that many people don't like to see lesbian scenes( I can understand that, even I'm not a fan) or even that they are considered ntr (This seems very very exaggerated to me).

What do you guys think about this?
Your feedback is important, which is why I prefer to ask.
I don't mind it to be honest looking forward to the next chapter :)
 
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The Rogue Trader

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Hi guys, happy new year. I hope you all had a good holiday season.

I wanted to ask you one thing. In the next update there is a scene between two women (Not closely related to mc)
I've read a few times that many people don't like to see lesbian scenes( I can understand that, even I'm not a fan) or even that they are considered ntr (This seems very very exaggerated to me).

What do you guys think about this?
Your feedback is important, which is why I prefer to ask.
It's easy, if they aren't Love Interests, hide the scene behind an "Avoidable" choice or at least a "Skippable" one, assuming there's a way to do it and still the scene making sense.
If at least one of them is a Love Interest, you know what will happen.

P.S.
If the scene doesn't rock your boat, why do you want to add it at all?
 

YogSothoth1982

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Jun 26, 2018
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Hi guys, happy new year. I hope you all had a good holiday season.

I wanted to ask you one thing. In the next update there is a scene between two women (Not closely related to mc)
I've read a few times that many people don't like to see lesbian scenes( I can understand that, even I'm not a fan) or even that they are considered ntr (This seems very very exaggerated to me).

What do you guys think about this?
Your feedback is important, which is why I prefer to ask.
Lesbian sex bores me. It's something I don't like.

I see it in the following terms:

If it's between two girls who aren't LIs and have no relationship with the MC, then it's a scene I don't want to see, but I don't care if it happens or not.

If it's between two LIs who are in a relationship with the MC and it doesn't happen behind the MC's back, then it's still a scene I don't want to see, and if possible I'd rather avoid, but if it happens it won't bother me either, as long as I don't have to see it.

If it's between a LI who's in a relationship with the MC and another girl who's not in a relationship with the MC, it's NTR or at least sharing, and I don't like either, so either it can be completely avoided, or it will annoy me a lot.

None of all the possibilities include seeing those kinds of scenes.
 

Kuggazer

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It's easy, if they aren't Love Interests, hide the scene behind an "Avoidable" choice or at least a "Skippable" one, assuming there's a way to do it and still the scene making sense.
If at least one of them is a Love Interest, you know what will happen.

P.S.
If the scene doesn't rock your boat, why do you want to add it at all?
My friend wrote it.
The point is, I didn't think it would bother to that extent. I can't understand it, honestly. But I respect everyone's views.
 

The Rogue Trader

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My friend wrote it.
The point is, I didn't think it would bother to that extent. I can't understand it, honestly. But I respect everyone's views.
I can't understand it, either (IMHO more girls, less guys -> win), but yes, judging from similar discussions on other threads, it would be way more bother than gain.

Then, there's still the "vocal minority vs. silent majority" angle, but until you'll have a voting base of Patrons, you won't have any other feedback to base your decisions on.
 

kokos94

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Hi guys, happy new year. I hope you all had a good holiday season.

I wanted to ask you one thing. In the next update there is a scene between two women (Not closely related to mc)
I've read a few times that many people don't like to see lesbian scenes( I can understand that, even I'm not a fan) or even that they are considered ntr (This seems very very exaggerated to me).

What do you guys think about this?
Your feedback is important, which is why I prefer to ask.
well technicaly it can be NTR cause it still sex (even lesbians can have sex :) ) still i dont mind this thing as she is not doing that behind MC and is it in "harem" (behind MCs Love interests)....

so if it is this first kind content i am aloving that if there is option and dont see problem in that...

if it is LIS and another girl without MC knowing or participating....well not big no for me but rather would not happening

if it is two unknown girls or no LIs i dont see point to even seeing that in game.

Then, there's still the "vocal minority vs. silent majority" angle, but until you'll have a voting base of Patrons, you won't have any other feedback to base your decisions on.
that is not much good idea, as we saw in other devs where patrons managed totaly flip content in future updates....

it is not bad idea, but work in ideal world....for example he will manage get fan base for curent content but some patrons will vote for one avoidable NTR scene...more ntr fans will came more scenes will be made....and first fans will leave make more votes for another content....after few months he is doing content what dev dont enjoy and did not want cause he dont want lose that few patrons what left...

would be not for first time.
 
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The Rogue Trader

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that is not much good idea, as we saw in other devs where patrons managed totaly flip content in future updates....
Giving authorship, aka control over the story, to the Patrons, like some devs do, is a horrible idea and will only end in the game becoming a tangled mess that not even those very same Patrons will like.

This said, a closed poll is a reliable method to know what a specific group thinks about your inputs about your game when you're on the fence about them.
Your paying Patrons is a reliable subset of humanity when you want to know the opinion of the people that love your work the most (to the point of financially supporting you to keep it). Unfortunately, until the number of Patrons becomes large enough to even out the oddballs, there's also a non-negligible risk that such polls would get hijacked by people not representing the general consensus, causing the effect you're describing.

I'm sorry but I'll have to disagree with anybody that thinks asking some randos on a pirate site and listening to the ones that yell loudest is anywhere near to a reliable method to test your fanbase.
 

kokos94

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Then, there's still the "vocal minority vs. silent majority" angle, but until you'll have a voting base of Patrons, you won't have any other feedback to base your decisions on.
Giving authorship, aka control over the story, to the Patrons, like some devs do, is a horrible idea and will only end in the game becoming a tangled mess that not even those very same Patrons will like.

This said, a closed poll is a reliable method to know what a specific group thinks about your inputs about your game when you're on the fence about them.
Your paying Patrons is a reliable subset of humanity when you want to know the opinion of the people that love your work the most (to the point of financially supporting you to keep it). Unfortunately, until the number of Patrons becomes large enough to even out the oddballs, there's also a non-negligible risk that such polls would get hijacked by people not representing the general consensus, causing the effect you're describing.

I'm sorry but I'll have to disagree with anybody that thinks asking some randos on a pirate site and listening to the ones that yell loudest is anywhere near to a reliable method to test your fanbase.
did not tought it like that...he should think what he want to do and do it...if he want romance ok....harem..ok...NTR...ok...but asking patrons (not pirates :D ) what content do is only way to hell and cant avoid that one side of patrons will be pissed cause was outvoted....but as u can see he is already leting patrons vote for next content...so :D
 

kokos94

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aaand previouse game had NTR as i see, so i will wait if that shit will happend again here to before trying this one...for now looks good...i know that u sayed there will not be that content....still u dont have full power on your own game (cause patrons voting for content and probably have there some cucks from previouse game) so it is only mather of time when non LIS wil start fucking...than they will became love interests in future etc...
 
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Canto Forte

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This is 2023 and we are here to be gaming, not whining about girls doing their thing elsewhere.
The name of the game is MC struggling to be a hero.
Porn logik means MC is the instigator for hot scenes, else this whole game is a hoax
and the dev will shit on MC, like Dom is doublecrossed by his OWN SISRTER in fast and furious
into being a cuck for Paul Walker BANGING HIS SISTAH BEHIND HIS BACK.

Is this game a hoax? Does this game have a narrative structure? If it did, then
MC is supposed to swoop right smack in the middle of any and all hot scenes and DOMINATE.
My friend wrote it.
The point is, I didn't think it would bother to that extent. I can't understand it, honestly. But I respect everyone's views.
I can't understand it, either (IMHO more girls, less guys -> win), but yes, judging from similar discussions on other threads, it would be way more bother than gain.

Then, there's still the "vocal minority vs. silent majority" angle, but until you'll have a voting base of Patrons, you won't have any other feedback to base your decisions on.
I'm the opposite I walk in and go lesbians, nice! :whistle:
Giving authorship, aka control over the story, to the Patrons, like some devs do, is a horrible idea and will only end in the game becoming a tangled mess that not even those very same Patrons will like.

This said, a closed poll is a reliable method to know what a specific group thinks about your inputs about your game when you're on the fence about them.
Your paying Patrons is a reliable subset of humanity when you want to know the opinion of the people that love your work the most (to the point of financially supporting you to keep it). Unfortunately, until the number of Patrons becomes large enough to even out the oddballs, there's also a non-negligible risk that such polls would get hijacked by people not representing the general consensus, causing the effect you're describing.

I'm sorry but I'll have to disagree with anybody that thinks asking some randos on a pirate site and listening to the ones that yell loudest is anywhere near to a reliable method to test your fanbase.
did not tought it like that...he should think what he want to do and do it...if he want romance ok....harem..ok...NTR...ok...but asking patrons (not pirates :D ) what content do is only way to hell and cant avoid that one side of patrons will be pissed cause was outvoted....but as u can see he is already leting patrons vote for next content...so :D
aaand previouse game had NTR as i see so i will wait if that shit will happend again here to before trying this one...for now looks good
NTR is a philosophy TOTALLY CONTRARY TO PORN LOGIC. In porn, every actor serves a role.
THERE IS NO CUCK OR STEALING IN PORN, so games who want shallow dialogues between
hot scenes doing NTR ARE TOTTALY OUTTA THE REALM OF PORN OR FILM,
they are straight FETISH PLAY and fetish cannot exist out of the bedroom, it just makes no sense:
not porn wise, not plot wise, not game wise.

You either have a sane plot for MC and you stick to it, or you just shit on MC and we gotta game it.

Which is it in this game? Is MC a patsy EVERYONE WALKS ALL OVER AND SHITS ON?
Because that is the only way NTR can exist in this game.
 

goulet1995

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Hi guys, happy new year. I hope you all had a good holiday season.

I wanted to ask you one thing. In the next update there is a scene between two women (Not closely related to mc)
I've read a few times that many people don't like to see lesbian scenes( I can understand that, even I'm not a fan) or even that they are considered ntr (This seems very very exaggerated to me).

What do you guys think about this?
Your feedback is important, which is why I prefer to ask.
i generally do everything i can to avoid lesbian scenes in games it wont usaully make me not playn a game on its own unless its a LI going behinf mc's back then its ntr at that point either way if lesbaian is there i prefer it to be avoidable.
 

Larry2000

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This is 2023 and we are here to be gaming, not whining about girls doing their thing elsewhere.
The name of the game is MC struggling to be a hero.
Porn logik means MC is the instigator for hot scenes, else this whole game is a hoax
and the dev will shit on MC, like Dom is doublecrossed by his OWN SISRTER in fast and furious
into being a cuck for Paul Walker BANGING HIS SISTAH BEHIND HIS BACK.

Is this game a hoax? Does this game have a narrative structure? If it did, then
MC is supposed to swoop right smack in the middle of any and all hot scenes and DOMINATE.







NTR is a philosophy TOTALLY CONTRARY TO PORN LOGIC. In porn, every actor serves a role.
THERE IS NO CUCK OR STEALING IN PORN, so games who want shallow dialogues between
hot scenes doing NTR ARE TOTTALY OUTTA THE REALM OF PORN OR FILM,
they are straight FETISH PLAY and fetish cannot exist out of the bedroom, it just makes no sense:
not porn wise, not plot wise, not game wise.

You either have a sane plot for MC and you stick to it, or you just shit on MC and we gotta game it.

Which is it in this game? Is MC a patsy EVERYONE WALKS ALL OVER AND SHITS ON?
Because that is the only way NTR can exist in this game.
Bro, I don't know you in real life, but I would like you. There was SO much in that reply that I'd like to have a drink with you. I'm still unclear about what you meant, but I liked the energy :D
 

Kuggazer

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Sep 6, 2017
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Hi there.
I just wanted to inform you that I cut out the lesbian scene that I mentioned in previous posts. I couldn't bring myself to like it very much. In playing it, I found it a little too forced.
That doesn't mean I can't include some of it in the future, but it needs to be well contextualized. In case, make it optional as well.
However, this also means that there will be less animations in the update. But I preferred it that way.
In Chapter 4 there will be a lot more action.

Speaking of which, what do you people expect with each new update of a game?
Does there necessarily have to be hot scenes or even if the story progresses without sex scenes is it okay?

Let me know guys. Thanks.
 
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