How smart do you like your soon-to-be corrupted girls in games?

[Diconica]

Just because they don't have a 200 IQ doesn't mean they don't have the diligence and planning to not have plot holes.

I never said a person with a lower IQ could not write a story that didn't have plot holes.
What I did say is if a person with a lower IQ tries to write from the perspective of someone much more intelligent it will create pot holes it is unavoidable. Because they don't think the same.

If the intelligent character pulls off a great scheme that awes the audience, do they have the time to think about a Big Brain like you?

Give me an example. Give an example of what you consider a big scheme and what issues you think there are as a writer you need to cover.

To give you a hint blackmail is a little scheme. If you look at all the games that use it there is a 100% failure rate in avoiding plot holes when it comes to adult games.

Statistically speaking how many people do have a big brain friend like you?

0.1 to 0.2% or 1 in every 1000 to 2000 has my level of intelligence.
That isn't that special. I know guys who make me feel like an idiot.
I went to school with a guy who wasn't just smart but he had an eidetic memory to boot.
He was probably 20 IQ above me.

And in the first place does being intelligent makes you unpredictable and mysterious?
If they are predictable why can't author analyze and write one?
If they are mysterious and quirky why can't they write that even if it's not the "real thing".

If you look at generals throughout history all the ones who were successful and strategies are taught and studied today were smart. Many if not most were also smart outside of military and politics as well.

You will never see an moron or low IQ person capable of looking at a basic food stock and being able to fabricate what is need to destroy a tank.

Would you say James Bond the character is smart and unpredictable and mysterious? Most people would argue he is.
Do you know what you don't see in those movies and books? First, person perspective.
Ian Flemming himself worked in intelligence. He was more than a little smart. Yet, he avoided it. Because he knew it was nothing but a trap to get into. Bond was a character even beyond him. So he wrote it 3rd person.

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That's the book Casino Royal. See for yourself.

Intelligence ultimately boils down to problem solving, which isn't anything special or mysterious. And as an author you control all the problems, and you can take your time and research to construct a satisfying problem and resolution.

Intelligence is about a lot more than that.
Problem solving is one aspect.
Memory retention.
Being able to correlate the relationship between different things without being told.
Application of principle or knowledge
Deriving knew knowledge from known knowledge or data or observation
Recognition of out comes based on information given. ~ a form of correlation.
Understanding abstract concepts.

If it wasn't so special quantum mechanics and other problems in science and math would have been solved ages ago.

 

[DuniX]

To give you a hint blackmail is a little scheme. If you look at all the games that use it there is a 100% failure rate in avoiding plot holes when it comes to adult games.

Blackmail isn't just "a little scheme" in real life, there are a lot of factors involved.
Especially if you want it in exchange for sex.
It's not impossible sure, we have people that can get away with beating their wife without much intelligence or effort.
But even the most intelligent cannot guarantee they can pull it off.
That just means we all need to take some creative liberties sometimes.

0.1 to 0.2% or 1 in every 1000 to 2000 has my level of intelligence.
That isn't that special. I know guys who make me feel like an idiot.
I went to school with a guy who wasn't just smart but he had an eidetic memory to boot.
He was probably 20 IQ above me.

So how would they know the behaviour a big brain like you so they can compare with a fictional smart character?
How would they even comprehend the behaviour of an intelligent person even if they meet one?
Seems like that is a plot hole your big brain missed.

If you look at generals throughout history all the ones who were successful and strategies are taught and studied today were smart. Many if not most were also smart outside of military and politics as well.

Nowadays we have games with strategy and management that can that can represent battles with much more complexity than real life, since battles weren't that complex historically.
So what is the problem with using a expert player's playthrough as a base for story and plot?
There is plenty of materials and tools you can use when writing a story if you know where to look.

Memory retention.

My computer has terabytes of data. And that is not even mentioning the Internet that I am using to talk to you.
I am sorry but does your Brain have That?
You think writers can't have a notebook at hand?

Being able to correlate the relationship between different things without being told.

Again the same thing I keep fucking mentioning, you control the plot, you control the situation, you can create the puzzle itself.
So it's a completely non-issue when writing.

Application of principle or knowledge

Also known as Understanding the Knowledge.
Sure you need a baseline of Intelligence in order to truly understand some knowledge. But you can take your time.
And not all knowledge are that demanding.
But you can Write what you DO Know, as again you control the plot, you control the situation and you control factors from that apply from the things that you know.

Deriving knew knowledge from known knowledge or data or observation

No need for that when you are just using knowledge, what an Author Knows does not need to be the same as what an Character Knows.

Recognition of out comes based on information given. ~ a form of correlation.

Patterns,Heuristics and Strategies aren't anything new in Games, so if you can make a situation that simulates a game that applies.
And there are many Games in many Genres. Crusader Kings is a good example for something like politics.

Understanding abstract concepts.

Again understanding knowledge. Abstract or not.

If it wasn't so special quantum mechanics and other problems in science and math would have been solved ages ago.

So why hasn't your big brain solve them yet? And are hanging around on a porn site?
You may be intelligent but your self-awareness is zero.
No you aren't that special of a snowflake.

 

[Diconica]

Blackmail isn't just "a little scheme" in real life, there are a lot of factors involved.
Especially if you want it in exchange for sex.
It's not impossible sure, we have people that can get away with beating their wife without much intelligence or effort.
But even the most intelligent cannot guarantee they can pull it off.
That just means we all need to take some creative liberties sometimes.

So how would they know the behaviour a big brain like you so they can compare with a fictional smart character?
How would they even comprehend the behaviour of an intelligent person even if they meet one?
Seems like that is a plot hole your big brain missed.

Nowadays we have games with strategy and management that can that can represent battles with much more complexity than real life, since battles weren't that complex historically.
So what is the problem with using a expert player's playthrough as a base for story and plot?
There is plenty of materials and tools you can use when writing a story if you know where to look.


My computer has terabytes of data. And that is not even mentioning the Internet that I am using to talk to you.
I am sorry but does your Brain have That?
You think writers can't have a notebook at hand?

Again the same thing I keep fucking mentioning, you control the plot, you control the situation, you can create the puzzle itself.
So it's a completely non-issue when writing.

Also known as Understanding the Knowledge.
Sure you need a baseline of Intelligence in order to truly understand some knowledge. But you can take your time.
And not all knowledge are that demanding.
But you can Write what you DO Know, as again you control the plot, you control the situation and you control factors from that apply from the things that you know.

No need for that when you are just using knowledge, what an Author Knows does not need to be the same as what an Character Knows.

Patterns,Heuristics and Strategies aren't anything new in Games, so if you can make a situation that simulates a game that applies.
And there are many Games in many Genres. Crusader Kings is a good example for something like politics.

Again understanding knowledge. Abstract or not.


So why hasn't your big brain solve them yet? And are hanging around on a porn site?
You may be intelligent but your self-awareness is zero.
No you aren't that special of a snowflake.

Honestly, at this point I'll leave it to someone else to try and explain this to you.
DuniX usually I would say it is a pleasure talking to you. This time not so much.
We just keep repeating stuff back and forth.

Maybe, the best way to explain it is with this.
Make a character who is supposed to be smart and write a scene were he show cases that intelligence.
Then write a more normal every day scene with the same character.
Gives a bit of background on the character before the scenes. Job, education, age, were he lived ... family structure if he worked as a kid or while going to school.
Remember your argument is you can write a story from the person's view point. So it needs to be in first person not 3rd person.


Well see how you do.

 

[DuniX]

Remember your argument is you can write a story from the person's view point. So it needs to be in first person not 3rd person.

Isn't that itself an entire genre?

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There is not shortage of tropes you could use from that even for first person.

Well see how you do.

Why do I have to write your books again?

 

[SkyRebel]

EQ>IQ

 

[DuniX]

Nietzsche and Jung, were less smart than most people give them credit for. They are smart compared to the average person.

Then why isn't your Galaxy Brain don't solve some real issues instead of being on a porn site.

I'm going to go ahead and give you the right answer to the number question.
A number is a formula that represents a specific value.
This is a very basic and simple concept about numbers.
Can you explain why it is true and provide an example proving it. I can.
If you graduated high school even if with just a GED you should have had enough fundamentals to realize this.
The fact is most people don't know it off hand. Not knowing it isn't something to feel bad about. It has to do with the difference in how we see something.

That's because it's an entirely different context. Most peoples connection to math is centuries ago.

You keep bringing up the word KNOWLEDGE. Again it has ZERO the Fuck to do with knowledge. How is it you can't get that one concept in your head.
Knowledge and intelligence are independent of one another. We aren't talking about knowledge.

This discussion right here with you is a perfect example up till now of a person not understanding a concept.
How many times will I need to repeat that to you it doesn't have to do with knowledge.

Because if you have the knowledge you know how the real world works and can simulate it.
This as an author is something you can do, setting up the world, situation, plot.
Characters in fiction don't exist in isolation.
All the decisions they can do can be defined.

 

[Diconica]

Isn't that itself an entire genre?

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There is not shortage of tropes you could use from that even for first person.

Why do I have to write your books again?

This has shit to do with Rational Fic.

The original post was about how a person with a 100 IQ could not write from the perspective of a person with a 150IQ.
Perspective meaning the view point of that individuals. I said they could write from an observes view point though. 3rd person.

This entire time you have consistently made the claim you could write from the first person perspective of someone much smarter than yourself.

So now rather than keep arguing with you I said prove your side of the argument. Put up or shut up!

 

[Diconica]

Then why isn't your Galaxy Brain don't solve some real issues instead of being on a porn site.

Being able to understand his work does not mean I could have solved the same problem had I been in his spot.

You don't know who I am and what I have solved.

That's because it's an entirely different context. Most peoples connection to math is centuries ago.

They teach parts of it but they just don't come out and say it these days.
You learned all the stuff below most likely in school. Can you apply it in something new.
XIV Roman 15
I V X L C D M Roman numerals use those symbols

0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 are symbols
ABCDEF are symbols also used in base 16
+ is the symbol for addition
- subtract
/ division
... and so on.

if I asked you what value 234 represents you would need to know the base it is in first.
if it is base 10 then 2x10^2 + 3x10^1 + 4x10^0

if it is base 8 then 2x8^2 + 3x8^1 + 4x8^0

What can I tell you about it without knowing the base.
It isn't base 4 or lower.
Base 4 the highest value would be 3.

Because if you have the knowledge you know how the real world works and can simulate it.
This as an author is something you can do, setting up the world, situation, plot.
Characters in fiction don't exist in isolation.
All the decisions they can do can be defined.

You don't know how another person thinks thus you can't simulate it.

 

[DuniX]

This has shit to do with Rational Fic.

So they don't have an Intelligent Protagonist?
Why can't I have a intelligent protagonist by following some of those tropes as well as well as take concepts from any number of thinkers in history?

You don't know who I am and what I have solved.

Nothing.
Because I haven't heard of any new Nietzsche or Jung recently.
And Science has pretty much stagnated for 100 years in terms of applicable theories.
You have compared yourself to them and said they aren't anything special so that you could dismiss my argument about knowledge.

They teach parts of it but they just don't come out and say it these days.
You learned all the stuff below most likely in school. Can you apply it in something new.

That just means you use math as a System for Thinking.
There can be any number of Systems you can use. Bayesian logic, psychoanalysis, even visualization for the more artist inclined.
Systems aren't anything special, just like you viewpoints aren't anything special.
This is why I keep saying it all boils down to different forms of Knowledge you can use.

Regardless of the amount of Intelligence you can't use something you don't know.
If you were transported 4000 years ago your intelligence would not have all those 16 viewpoints because you would simply wouldn't know.

Intelligence is Utilization.
Drill that into your Galaxy Brain.

 

[Diconica]

Because I haven't heard of any new Nietzsche or Jung recently.
And Science has pretty much stagnated for 100 years in terms of applicable theories.
You have compared yourself to them and said they aren't anything special so that you could dismiss my argument about knowledge.

First, off they don't generally make lists of people like that available publicly. The one's you hear about are the one's who are attracted to the media. Do you have a list of the other 3.75 million people with 160 IQ or higher?
How about the list of 375 million with a 130+ IQ
No you don't and you wouldn't have access to it even if it existed. The US government keeps a list of certain people with various degrees and levels. I know because I worked for them. Do you have access to that list even. No, you have no need to know and its classified.
The odds of you hearing about the next Lame fuck with 135 to 145 IQ is about next to fucking ZERO.
He wouldn't even make the news today.
Did you hear about the guy who recently discovered a new form of energy? Do you even know his IQ? He's a fucking shit load smarter than your hero.

I said they were not anything special IQ wise. I said what made the great was their ability to observe and associate those observations. His complete works if anyone is interested.

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Not sure what I am supposed to be impressed with. Is it the disillusionment he suffers from, maybe that he seems to always have his finger pointed out in blame or constant attacks on others to tear them down to maybe come off better in some way himself. Honestly, I think the translator helped him vs his work in German.
Sorry, I 'm not impressed by pessimists like you are.

To be clear I don't consider myself or anyone else as special either. I do recognize there are simply people vastly more intelligent and capable of putting that intelligence to use.

Regardless of the amount of Intelligence you can't use something you don't know.
If you were transported 4000 years ago your intelligence would not have all those 16 viewpoints because you would simply wouldn't know.

So all those people that solved stuff that other people before them wasn't capable of solving didn't actually solve anything.
Do you realize how stupid that statement is.
People solve shit all the time they didn't know how to do before hand.

Your 4000 year state is even more retarded.
If you were transported back with the same intelligence you would still view the same issues that other people see from more angles or a greater perspective. In fact you would stand out vastly more over everyone else the simple fact you be bored to death would drive you to try stuff to keep you occupied you would learn faster than anyone around you.

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That's 1000 year before Pythagoras. They were doing the same math before he did it.

At this point I see no further point in responding after this.

 

[Alea iacta est]

Fellas, you should wank more and not doing too much philosophy in an adult forum

 

[desmosome]

Lol, I knew where this was going from the first post made by Diconica. My mistake for engaging him and starting this whole thing. He's probably gently stroking himself while trying to make us appreciate his big brain IQ test result.

 

[DuniX]

So all those people that solved stuff that other people before them wasn't capable of solving didn't actually solve anything.
Do you realize how stupid that statement is.
People solve shit all the time they didn't know how to do before hand.

Then why did history plunge into the dark age when we already have all that greek and roman period beforehand?
That's a nice chunk of 1000 years, where did all your geniuses go then?
Why did the Renaissance happen? Precisely because the knowledge from antiquity were brought back and utilized.

No you don't and you wouldn't have access to it even if it existed. The US government keeps a list of certain people with various degrees and levels. I know because I worked for them. Do you have access to that list even. No, you have no need to know and its classified.

Look at me I am so special! A random poster on a porn site has all this secret knowledge.

Did you hear about the guy who recently discovered a new form of energy? Do you even know his IQ? He's a fucking shit load smarter than your hero.

Then you really are fucking dumb. So much for your secret sources. Your wast intellect doesn't even realize most of the science you see nowadays is fake since the past 100 years and the real one is classified.

 

[Diconica]

Then why did history plunge into the dark age when we already have all that greek and roman period beforehand?
That's a nice chunk of 1000 years, where did all your geniuses go then?
Why did the Renaissance happen? Precisely because the knowledge from antiquity were brought back and utilized.

You mean why was education lost though intelligent people still existed.
Ever heard of the collapse of the bronze age. That's they type of shit when the major civilizations of the time are destroyed and uprooted. People die things have to be rebuilt. People are forced to work hard just to survive rather than do thinks they rather be doing.
Guessing you didn't pay a shits worth of attention in history classes or did it just fly over your head?

Look at me I am so special! A random poster on a porn site has all this secret knowledge.

So what smart people can't enjoy porn?
There are probably quite a few people on here that are more than a little smart.
You just don't know who they are because they like myself choose to keep our identity a secret.
Did you even once think about the odds of who you might be talking to on a site.
No, because in your little twisted mind you are the most important person that would be here. God for bid someone smarter or more capable is on the site. That just can't be. Sorry, to break it to you given this conversation I'd say more than half the people on this site are smarter than you easily.

Then you really are fucking dumb. So much for your secret sources. Your wast intellect doesn't even realize most of the science you see nowadays is fake since the past 100 years and the real one is classified.

Sorry, the science on this one's real I can verify it myself given my background includes that field of study.
Most the bunk science is around political issues. This particular issue holds no current value politically because it isn't something we can yet harness to an extent to make use.
While there is crap science out there anyone with a good grasp in science can read the papers and research information put out and spot problems in it. There are two problems not enough people doing that and secondly bias in places you can publish.
That's not reason enough to turn into a tinfoil hat job, which is the path you appear to be headed on.
Here you were telling me about this vast amount of information how you could understand a subject.
Yet, some how you are telling me how something is bunk science because you don't or more accurately can't understand it.
I mean you know how science works. After the all this you aren't going to tell everyone on here you can't learn "particle physics" off the internet. So you should be easily able to go through his research paper and date and find errors to support your view at the least. You could rerun his experiment to verify the data or prove it wrong. Or you could point out what issues were in the experiment he didn't account for.
You know that good old thing the scientific method. We just have it for I don't know what for.... No sense in that well just go by your word the guy who has made the claim he can simulate a smarter person's internal thoughts and way they look at the world by learning something off the internet.

Conversations Over. Seriously, you are just embarrassing yourself.
Frankly, I'm done wasting time talking to you.

 

[DuniX]

You mean why was education lost though intelligent people still existed.
Ever heard of the collapse of the bronze age. That's they type of shit when the major civilizations of the time are destroyed and uprooted. People die things have to be rebuilt. People are forced to work hard just to survive rather than do thinks they rather be doing.
Guessing you didn't pay a shits worth of attention in history classes or did it just fly over your head?

This was your point:

If you were transported back with the same intelligence you would still view the same issues that other people see from more angles or a greater perspective. In fact you would stand out vastly more over everyone else the simple fact you be bored to death would drive you to try stuff to keep you occupied you would learn faster than anyone around you.

Yet for 1000 years your genius level intellects were twiddling their thumbs? Why didn't they adapt, thrive and conquer?
Cities didn't exist? Industries didn't exist? People of Power that might require People of Intelligence didn't exist?
Yet for some reason in the Renaissance period the geniuses are back and crop up everywhere.
Why do they need to bunch up to thrive? Why can't your geniuses exist in isolation?

You just don't know who they are because they like myself choose to keep our identity a secret.

It's not that they can't be, they just aren't an asshole and preen to be a super special snowflake.
They will also know how much of a joke you are, so don't think about me and my simple intellect, think about them.
I am sure there are plenty of Super Secret Agents that are laughing behind your back.

This particular issue holds no current value politically because it isn't something we can yet harness to an extent to make use.

Yes. For 100 years science has produce exactly that. Nothing.
You can burn every new physics books of the last 100 years and nothing would have really changed. Electromagnetics would have still been there and Electronics developed with it.

That's not reason enough to turn into a tinfoil hat job, which is the path you appear to be headed on.

Without a bit of Paranoia, Questioning and Curiosity what is even the Fun in having a Big Brain?
You are still regurgitating whatever you have been told, where is the problem solving in that?

So you should be easily able to go through his research paper and date and find errors to support your view at the least.

Here is a mysterious super secret that you seem to like to do, those proofs already exists out there and you can find them, and 'science' has already been decimated. Lets see if your great intellect can find exactly what I am talking about.

 

[WindyGust]

Still going at it? Guys, really?

 

[DuniX]

Still going at it? Guys, really?

You do not understand the Stakes!
If I lose ALL Protagonist in Porn Games will become Dumb to match the sensibilities of that asshole!
It is a War on Intelligence, his secret scheme was in fact to dumb down all novels, lowering the intelligence of this community and thus ensuring his Secret Shadowy Masters behind him keep maintaining control of the World.
/jk

 

[WindyGust]

You do not understand the Stakes!
If I lose ALL Protagonist in Porn Games will become Dumb to match the sensibilities of that asshole!
It is a War on Intelligence, his secret scheme was in fact to dumb down all novels, lowering the intelligence of this community and thus ensuring his Secret Shadowy Masters behind him keep maintaining control of the World.
/jk

Good luck mate, go on... Crush him boy. If you can't do it, nobody can... I believe!

 

[Diconica]

You do not understand the Stakes!
If I lose ALL Protagonist in Porn Games will become Dumb to match the sensibilities of that asshole!
It is a War on Intelligence, his secret scheme was in fact to dumb down all novels, lowering the intelligence of this community and thus ensuring his Secret Shadowy Masters behind him keep maintaining control of the World.
/jk

I made it clear there are ways to do it just not first person. Everyone else but your stupid ass seems to understand that.
I even gave the example of James Bond.
desmosome brought up Good Will Hunting and Beautiful Mind which I pointed out where also wrote in a 3rd person perspective.

You now resort to making a false accusation and conspiracy.
You need mental help.

If anything I want people to write better novels and stories and to learn to do it correctly.
I'm sick of the half ass hack jobs people do writing.

Things that stick out like a sore thumb.
Authors trying to write first person perspective a of a character that is much smarter then they are.
The next thing is authors discussing topics out side there range of knowledge. They don't get the common dialog used by people in those fields correctly. They end up almost always using some stupid catch phrase they read in a book a website or heard on TV.
It's a dead give away they don't know shit about the topic.
I point out issues that people do that create plot holes. That way authors that do visit the site can learn to avoid them.

 

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Hi,

Yet for 1000 years your genius level intellects were twiddling their thumbs? Why didn't they adapt, thrive and conquer?
Cities didn't exist? Industries didn't exist? People of Power that might require People of Intelligence didn't exist?
Yet for some reason in the Renaissance period the geniuses are back and crop up everywhere.
Why do they need to bunch up to thrive? Why can't your geniuses exist in isolation?

in case you don't remember there was during those times, something called "The Church" and/or "The Inquisition" (not only the Spanish one) - and most people who openly tried to either innovate or put the Scriptures to the test were simply called "heretics" and executed.
They did adapt - you simply know not about it.

Industries? no such thing as industry in Europe before the 18th century.

Cities: again, most European cities had still middle ages style fortifications (and mindsets) late in the 18th century. (Paris still had its fortifications in 1914)

thrive and conquer: well, if they were not born in the Nobility, they add little opportunities to rise above a certain social status. Nobody wanted or allowed them to.

People of Power: well, sadly most of them were stupid. (you know, inbreeding in Nobility/Royalty) or wanted to use your creations only for War or Alchemy (changing Lead into Gold). (ask Leonardo)

the Renaissance: well, it is a vastly different period if you compare what really happened from country to country and it drove most of Europe straight to the "Religion Wars". (over 40 years of jolly good fun and creativity)

to your last point: well, you may have missed the "creation" of all the secret societies (those we know about) like the Freemasons or the Rosicrucians - those were answers to your point - One can only thrive in a fertile (and friendly) environment .
(which most of the time is secret)

If I lose ALL Protagonist in Porn Games will become Dumb to match the sensibilities of that asshole!

hum... isn't that already the case? I'm sure that I did not found any recent game's MC to be a rocket scientist or demonstrating any superior abilities besides the one that is getting his dick hard...
(which is not that hard to achieve... so to speak)

A more general point to demonstrate that idiots people with limited creative abilities cannot write an intelligent character - have you not watched any of the movies that came out of the US Hollywood based film industry for the last 15 years?

So, I would like my soon to be corrupted Girl to be sexy as "insert the most sexiest girl you can think of according to your generation", intelligent and hard working as Madame Curie, and with the sex drive of "insert name of your favorite porn star" *

* as a bonus she will love anal and oral sex.
Cheers