How smart do you like your soon-to-be corrupted girls in games?

How smart do you like your soon-to-be corrupted girls in games?

  • smart intelligent girls that know how the land lies

    Votes: 106 64.2%
  • stupid girls that dont know anything

    Votes: 15 9.1%
  • naive girls that are up for game time

    Votes: 44 26.7%

  • Total voters
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Asia Argento

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Ehm, im writing something and i am testing to get this into a VN with DAZ and renpy. Thats correct. First 2 Chapters are done. Currently i am working on the renders.
I see--- well I hope my answer helped. Without a symbiotic relationship between the protag and storyboard, I dont think it would matter--- Most people would want the Karryn of Karryn's Prison (Protag that has her shit together and just falls in the heat of the moment due to being placed in a situation. Her option has 69%), not the naive Chloe or Ditzy Yukino who stumble into trouble somehow someway.
 

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As for the actual topic, I think most people into corruption will prefer their main target to start out in a higher position than the corruptor. Intelligent women are generally ideal for this. They should be competent, powerful women, who may or may not be bitchy.

You could have lots of appetizers but there should be a "boss" to aim for. It could be your... boss, a powerful villainess, some evil empress, a coworker far superior than you, or even just a strict mom. The satisfaction lies in bringing down this target above you and making her your bitch.
 

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How about this? If the content is amazing and uses the protag properly... Anyone can fit well into a corruption game? The airhead (Yukino), the naive one (Chloe) or the one with brains (Karryn). It just depends on who is writing it up and how well the protag works with the material. All 3 mentioned were perfect fits in their games.
It's a two ways street. The character has to fit the story and the story needs to fit the character.
If you have a character act in a manner that is not consistent with their character type or the way the character is built up it creates plot holes. An example would be a smart character missing a dozen obvious solutions to a problem that is easy to get out of.
At the same time the situation has to fit some what with the character. The Hob who ran wall street. The 2 dollar crack hoe that runs pfizer pharm. The idiot nuclear physicist. Those are stories no one should ever write. They would be filled with plot holes from the very start. I guess if you wanted end your writing carreer or get out of a contract and have company dump you then yea write one of those.
 

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As for the actual topic, I think most people into corruption will prefer their main target to start out in a higher position than the corruptor. Intelligent women are generally ideal for this. They should be competent, powerful women, who may or may not be bitchy.

You could have lots of appetizers but there should be a "boss" to aim for. It could be your... boss, a powerful villainess, some evil empress, a coworker far superior than you, or even just a strict mom. The satisfaction lies in bringing down this target above you and making her your bitch.
Corrupt your fem boss games... oh man... se magnifique.
 
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Ive been saying this entire time it is only not possible to do third person.
So were is your example of that?
I am starting to believe you don't know the difference between first person and third person.
So they don't explain what they are thinking in the show?
If they do explain why can't that be used for first person again?
How do you think those shows works in the first place? Are they fighting with punches, shooting
football goals or even talking?
All that is represented is two characters thinking. What is first person other than thinking?
And it's similar to a competitive game playthrough. Is a Twitch Stream also not "First Person" to you either?
I can do a better job at defending your position than you but it would still be wrong.
Then why did you fail to comprehend miserably my example?
As for me, I know I'm a fool look at all the time I wasted trying to convince Dunix.
If I was to compare my intellect or knowledge that is out there in potential my brain would be a bb rolling down an 8 lane highway.
You haven't won any arguments yet, so spare me your Woe is Me.
Man, OP asked if people want smart or dumb bitches to mind break in porn games,
If I fail to achive victory, those smart bitches would be gone. The Stakes are that High.
It's a two ways street. The character has to fit the story and the story needs to fit the character.
If you have a character act in a manner that is not consistent with their character type or the way the character is built up it creates plot holes. An example would be a smart character missing a dozen obvious solutions to a problem that is easy to get out of.
See how he spreads his poison.
 
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So they don't explain what they are thinking in the show?
If they do explain why can't that be used for first person again?
How do you think those shows works in the first place? Are they fighting with punches, shooting
football goals or even talking?
All that is represented is two characters thinking. What is first person other than thinking?
And it's similar to a competitive game playthrough. Is a Twitch Stream also not "First Person" to you either?
Yes, they do explain on occasion what some character are thinking. Take the Anime you named. It's used in very limited circumstances such as when they are frustrated. "Why won't he play me." It isn't used in any instance that shows intelligence.
Just used to exhibit raw emotion. The rest of the story is done through third person and narration.

I'm assuming you actually bothered to watch it or at least read the manga. Or is this an issue where you didn't catch all those facts when you did read it or watch it. You said you could replicate how smarter people think and so on. Well what's the excuse here?

As for why can't you use the way they show via narration how someone thinks in third person to first person. It's simple the external narration does show the actual internal narration and conflicts. Because those authors had enough intelligence and skill to recognize the fact I have been trying to impart to you.

Just so you know this is something that your 5 grade teacher on up should have drilled into you. You sure as hell should have it in every single college level writing course.
It's so standard publicist will in general refuse to even publish such works unless the person pays for it out of their own pocket. I can't give you a single example of a book that went against the rule that was ever successful.

But yep you will be the first. Go for it.

Then why did you fail to comprehend miserably my example?
No, one failed to comprehend your example. Every example you have given has done nothing but support my side.

You haven't won any arguments yet, so spare me your Woe is Me.
Yep, you got me there.
You do realize that was what was meant. Maybe a couple quotes will make it clear
"That's because it is impossible to win an argument with a fool."
“Arguing with a fool proves there are two.”
“Arguing with an idiot makes you more of an idiot yourself!”
“Behind every argument is someone’s ignorance.”

See how he spreads his poison.
More conspiracy theories. ROFL.

Anyway I'm done with this discussion.
 

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Corrupt your fem boss games... oh man... se magnifique.
That could be fun.
If the boss is a total bitch you could do it in a revenge manner to get rid of her or turn her into a toy or just wreck her.
But she would have to be made into a real bitch for most people to think it is justifiable.

That said you probably would find appeal to more people by going less hard and using another route.
Say she's a bit wound tight to strict and you help her loosen up.
Or maybe, your character has an interest in her and you want her to loosen up so she will have a relationship with you.

There are a lot of routes one could explore with this. In fact you could use those different routes to create multiple endings.
Also you could let the player choose the type of boss or issue at the start of the game and reason they are doing this.
That would allow you to explore hundreds of options.
 

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As for why can't you use the way they show via narration how someone thinks in third person to first person.
Third person is a style, it was chosen because simulating every individual action and decision is narratively meaningless. It would just be noise and it would be boring.
It's not that you Can't do it, I have given an example of an Expert Player playing something like Hearthstone as an example. If they explain the game and what they are doing is that not first person?

Try to write you yourself Hikaru no Go from a first person perspective using your genius intellect.
It would be boring.
But it's a question of suitability.

But it's not like we don't have plenty of novels of first person perspective, and as an author you control the plot, pacing and context so suitability is never an issue.
If we go by your logic on the argument of first person versus third person then Nobody would be able to write an intelligent first person protagonist since their Mind would be too incomprehensible or boring for everyone.

Just so you know this is something that your 5 grade teacher on up should have drilled into you. You sure as hell should have it in every single college level writing course.
It's so standard publicist will in general refuse to even publish such works unless the person pays for it out of their own pocket. I can't give you a single example of a book that went against the rule that was ever successful.
Authors can write however they want depending on what they are trying to achive. You are saying they can't.

You say I don't understand the difference between third person and or first person.
But you don't seem to understand the difference between the Thinking of a Fictional Character and a Real Person are not the same, whether its third or first person.
This is why you are saying not having the IQ of a Real Person means you cannot construct the Thinking of a Fictional Character.
A fictional character does not Think in Isolation, they Think for the Plot, and the author Controls the Plot.
And why I have given Hikaru no Go as an example.

Or are you arguing that writers without sufficient galaxy brains like you cannot write plots and stories anymore?
 
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Third person is a style, it was chosen because simulating every individual action and decision is narratively meaningless. It would just be noise and it would be boring.
Wrong, its a perspective not a style.Go back to school and learn the difference.

It's not that you Can't do it, I have given an example of an Expert Player playing something like Hearthstone as an example. If they explain the game and what they are doing is that not first person?
Your example is a false assumption. I have done online tutorials and game play as well. What I say is by no ways the same as what I am thinking. In fact I think about what I am going to say before I say it. Also if I am in a game I'm also thinking about the strategy and so on depending on the type of game play. So for every one thing I express for others to hear I have about 20 other things I am contemplating.

If I am doing something like a programming tutorial code review something. That goes up a lot more.

Try to write you yourself Hikaru no Go from a first person perspective using your genius intellect.
It would be boring.
But it's a question of suitability.
I wouldn't try and write that from a first person perspective that would just be stupid.
Secondly, you are the one who claimed it was possible for a less intelligent person to write from the more intelligent view point.
I'm not the one with something to prove. That's you. There is no way for me to prove the negative claim the burden of proof lies on the person making the positive claim. That is you in this case.

So stop trying to turn the shit on me.
Or didn't anyone ever teach you anything about arguments and discussions. The more you talk the bigger fool you look like.
Keep going. The Burden of proof lies on you.

But it's not like we don't have plenty of novels of first person perspective, and as an author you control the plot, pacing and context so suitability is never an issue.
If we go by your logic on the argument of first person versus third person then Nobody would be able to write an intelligent first person protagonist since their Mind would be too incomprehensible or boring for everyone.
Most first person perspective works are done at the authors level. Those that aren't and are successful usually get a third party who is of that level to write and or provide feed back to them on the work.
You know ghost writers and consultants make good money because of this exact issue.

Authors can write however they want depending on what they are trying to achive. You are saying they can't.
Not if they want to be successful but you are correct in the fact we have no laws preventing people from writing crap.
There are lots of books on the shelves that have flopped over the years and end up in land fills.

You say I don't understand the difference between third person and or first person.
But you don't seem to understand the difference between the Thinking of a Fictional Character and a Real Person are not the same, whether its third or first person.
This is why you are saying not having the IQ of a Real Person means you cannot construct the Thinking of a Fictional Character.
A fictional character does not Think in Isolation, they Think for the Plot, and the author Controls the Plot.
And why I have given Hikaru no Go as an example.
Again wrong assumption. My point is people can tell when someone who is not the same intelligence the character portrays writes the character. It works in both directions. That's why all major schools teach to only do first person at your own level.
Anyone can tell when a character isn't acting smart as they should be because the author wrote out side of their area.
Anyone can tell when a character isn't acting as stupid as they should be when an author writes to far below himself.
It isn't just up it goes up and down.
The difference is smart people tend to realize the issue more so they know not to write down to far.
People less intelligent don't get the what the issues is and take it as some sort of insult as if they are being told not write up wards.
Your the later in that case.

Or are you arguing that writers without sufficient galaxy brains like you authors cannot write plots and stories anymore?
Again I'm not the one who has to prove something here. The "burden of proof" is on you.
Only a positive claim can be proven which is your side of the argument.
You claim you could write successfully above your level.
So far all you have been is talk.

Since you are insistent on calling me galaxy brain. From this point forward you will be dubbed Micro Brain. After all its the side of the argument you chose to defend. I can only assume from your position and your arguments that you feel sufficiently lacking in that area and who am I to argue with you on that point. After all you know yourself best.
Thanks for the laugh Micro Brain.
 

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What I say is by no ways the same as what I am thinking.
Nor is what you write.
So for every one thing I express for others to hear I have about 20 other things I am contemplating.
Is that what you write when writing first person?
Tell me why is this supposed to be a an argument again?
I'm not the one with something to prove. That's you. There is no way for me to prove the negative claim the burden of proof lies on the person making the positive claim. That is you in this case.
That's not how things work.
You are stopping people from trying. I don't, I don't tell people what to do.
So it's on You to convince them to follow your stupid advice.
You must prove your advice is valid, which from the arguments I presented its highly unlikely.
So stop trying to turn the shit on me.
Or didn't anyone ever teach you anything about arguments and discussions. The more you talk the bigger fool you look like.
Keep going. The Burden of proof lies on you.
Trying to weasel yourself out from being cornered.
If only all arguments can be won by shifting the blame.
If I want to write an intelligent protagonist in first person you think I wouldn't?
Why would I follow your stupid advice? I already told you how I would do it.
Not if they want to be successful but you are correct in the fact we have no laws preventing people from writing crap.
There are lots of books on the shelves that have flopped over the years and end up in land fills.
99% of what is written is crap, you aren't discovering any big mystery here.
But authors that are good and successful can fucking write any character they want.
Writing is a Skill and an Art remember?
And even the most Intelligent person cannot guarantee they would write a successful book.
That's why all major schools teach to only do first person at your own level.
Define "Level", because its not intelligence.
the author wrote out side of their area.
Their area? Their Area of Expertise? Aka Knowledge and Understanding?
How good to finally agree with me.

Since you are insistent on calling me galaxy brain. From this point forward you will be dubbed Micro Brain. After all its the side of the argument you chose to defend. I can only assume from your position and your arguments that you feel sufficiently lacking in that area and who am I to argue with you on that point. After all you know yourself best.
Thanks for the laugh Micro Brain.
Hmmm. It doesn't quite work. When I say it you can really Feel the Contempt and Sarcasm.
But when you are trying to explain it, it kind of fizzles out?
I guess that's just another of the many plot holes your Galaxy Brain has.
jesus christ, you guys are insufferable. do we really need a mod to delete all your pages of OT rambling? this is cringy as fuck, even here.
I'll Capitulate when he retracts his advice.
 
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That could be fun.
If the boss is a total bitch you could do it in a revenge manner to get rid of her or turn her into a toy or just wreck her.
But she would have to be made into a real bitch for most people to think it is justifiable.

That said you probably would find appeal to more people by going less hard and using another route.
Say she's a bit wound tight to strict and you help her loosen up.
Or maybe, your character has an interest in her and you want her to loosen up so she will have a relationship with you.

There are a lot of routes one could explore with this. In fact you could use those different routes to create multiple endings.
Also you could let the player choose the type of boss or issue at the start of the game and reason they are doing this.
That would allow you to explore hundreds of options.
There is a hentai game of that. It's pretty decent but really slow moving and try to make you feel bad about her husband you are cucking. Nah lol

This is what I refer to. Other 2 are similar to this. Both dom your boss games.

https://f95zone.to/threads/bitchy-boss-bimbofication-final-norn-miel.59310/

https://f95zone.to/threads/until-my...ment-impregnation-2021-02-14-retro-lab.69326/
 

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jesus christ, you guys are insufferable. do we really need a mod to delete all your pages of OT rambling? this is cringy as fuck, even here.
Yeah, I don't know. I would appreciate if the thread stays around the topic, to get as much information from the community that likes such stuff. Maybe i am just making a new thread with a new question. Some here did already help me a lot and made me think, what I really appreciated so far.

But yeah, "OT-ing" is in most of the threads common, tbh. :unsure:
 
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We play too much porn games when our mind automatically assumes she went through some trainer type sequence. Pretty damn hot to imagine though.
She was wearing a slave collar at the start of that clip, so it's fairly suggestive.

I used to review this stuff, so I got paid to play them and translate them when I worked for a Japanese company remotely. Then I realized there is an open market for simple RPG games with art. People can make pretty decent cash off of them. As long as they're decent.

But people's interpretation of decent games can differ greatly, which is why there are so many of these games. I do love a few of them though, most of the Alicesoft games have insane soundtracks. Dohna Dohna's is even featured in muse dash.

You wouldn't expect an eroge game to have a banger soundtrack but...
 
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Here is a very good example of brainwashing corruption courtesy of DC comics.

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Hm... I am actually looking for a collar that looks like that for DAZ. Does somebody have an idea where i can find something like that? I guess im just recreating this one. Thx for the idea how the collar could look. :unsure:
 
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She was wearing a slave collar at the start of that clip, so it's fairly suggestive.

I used to review this stuff, so I got paid to play them and translate them when I worked for a Japanese company remotely. Then I realized there is an open market for simple RPG games with art. People can make pretty decent cash off of them. As long as they're decent.

But people's interpretation of decent games can differ greatly, which is why there are so many of these games. I do love a few of them though, most of the Alicesoft games have insane soundtracks. Dohna Dohna's is even featured in muse dash.

You wouldn't expect an eroge game to have a banger soundtrack but...
The color may simply be there in order to prevent her use of powers.
It doesn't necessarily indicate how she was turned.
There are a lot of means to behavior modification.
That said given the fact she is a prisoner that does limit you to some degree.
You could for example play a protector role and make her dependent on you since she doesn't have her powers.
Another potential since they met in the same cell you could build trust by the joint escape method and protecting her.
You could couple those with incremental behavior modification.
If he really wanted to amp things up he could take some sort of injury requiring her to play the role of nurse say after the escape/
That way it increases her emotional investment in him.
By the time he goes to remove the color he could be pretty much the center of her universe.
It would also be willingly were she isn't trying to escape him but rather she sees him only since that time as a fellow person fighting on the same side who has aided her.
 
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The color may simply be there in order to prevent her use of powers.
It doesn't necessarily indicate how she was turned.
There are a lot of means to behavior modification.
Indeed, people are free to speculate. I mean for all we know he could have used a broom. But that would be boring for an erotic game, which is what this site is mostly about. Also games like Something Unlimited also have slave collars, and those leave nothing to the imagination lol. High production parody games never cease to amaze me.
 
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