Lord Kata
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I still don't like the father. i get he's a king but his wife and heir to the throne shouldn't have to kneel to him, as a curtesy of respect maybe a bow, and i get the sending the mc because of some zues/kronos like prophecy, but again he's still his son. don't tell him you're sending them away because you think they're going to kill you, tell them you're sending him away to protect them and to sort things out just to make sure it wasn't an error. and when you send him away the least you can do is make his temporary leave comfortable, don't just give him the clothes on his back, a sword, and some coins and say "well, good luck with that." he's a king he can afford to get his son a decent place. a 3 star place at minimum. send him a allowance of a certain amount, and let him at least be able to keep in contact with his family & friends thru a message, magic mirror, or something. not to mention how he looks after seeing his son since he left. no smile, just a look that that says i will fight you.
Gicoo
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Sure, but his entire purpose is that he is weak ruler who needs to be replaced by amazing MC. If you root or feel sorry for him or regret his death in any sort of way, he has missed his purpose.
If he was competent, we wouldn't have MC's upbringing and rise.
that doesn't excuse him, you can be a moraly or physically ore even both weak ruler and still be a good person. just because someone's health is failing doesn't excuse a person who was a piece of shit when they weren't weak. there has been plenty of good stories, movies and tv shows that had a king or boss who was in bad health but were still good person, and good parents. just like there were kings, and bosses who were bad/feared as a ruler but was beloved by his family, just because he wasn't in the best in health or wasn't the best in ruling, doesn't mean he needs to be a shit father. some times a heir needs to have the best father to be a perfect role model.
Gicoo
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MC is a very flawed person, so naturally he had fucked up mentors. The game is hardly a tragedy with MC being a golden boy who had the best prospects to be a king and only well intentioned guidances. He wasn't even born out of love, but by a political marriage between two races, with both of them having diffrent agencies. Almost everyone wants to use him, including his father.
It's not like you are wrong in your assessments, it just isn't relevant for the intended story. Game wanted a weak disposable ruler who gets assassinated to make place for MC and you don't feel bad or sorry about it.
it could have also .been worse though too. the king or mc could've been jake or logan paul.
TheWalkingChinko
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Missed opportunity if the game did not include the line: "One-eyed <LI's name>, meet one-eyed snake"
i like a good one eye , one horned, purple peter eater joke my self.Missed opportunity if the game did not include the line: "One-eyed <LI's name>, meet one-eyed snake"
Filipis
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I don't think Regis was a weak ruler at all. He was simply dealt a shit hand, because his father was the Red Emperor, and inherited from him an Empire that was collapsing. To salvage the unity and keep the peace, he married an elf woman to show his "progressive" stance (even if he really wasn't).
Now, MC is actually the weaker ruler of the two, as throughout the entire game, his actions were influenced by a third-party since the beginning - which is one of my main grievances with the game; MC essentially being everyone's puppet, and incapable of making some major decisions on his own. It's either Cass or Queen whispering in his ear. But alas, those are my reservations and don't reflect the quality of the writing as is. On that note, it is a little bit ironic that he is so susceptible to outside influence, much like the father he is laughing about.
FalconLover420
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I hope that we make some decisions that are not influenced by a third party. For example bringing Cass, the Queen, Alaina and others to heel.
wizardcock
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Disagree Regis never was a weak ruler. He overthrowed Red Emeperor set up his brother and got the throne despite being second son. Could minimize damage from collapsing empire, ensured long peace, solved elf crisis and tried to forge new alliances. All his actrions as a king were pretty good. As he got infirm and reclusive with aging it's unfortunate but kind of natural.
Gicoo
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I meant exclusively the period of time he is in the game, not his glorious past. He could be as amazing as ever, by the time MC meets him, he is at deaths doorstep, dispassionate, surrounded by several factions that wants him gone without any true supporters, and ill.
Filipis
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Well, that still doesn't qualify him as a weak ruler. He's gotten old, and maybe even paranoid. He failed as a father, but not necessarily as king.
Gicoo
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He is reclusive, the council either disregards him or plans to plot against him. It's spelled out that he can't handle the current politics and became desperate and demented, he rules by resorting to seek seers for signs.
Don't get this debate. He is obviously set up as the current frail old, failing order that inevitable will be replaced (Cass merely sped it up), conveniently by the MC, who just happened to return at the capital at the start of the game. Its a classic setup used in tons of media.
If he was still competent, he would've survived Cass clumsy plot or at the very least it the game would make an effort to tell us how tragic his demise is and how it brings the kingdom to his ruins. Instead, his removal is portrayed as step forward and enables MC to advance.
Filipis
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Yes, Regis' final years were controversial, and he was a terrible king during those times.
But it doesn't mean his overall rule was weak. The man managed to keep the Empire from tearing itself apart - that's pretty damn impressive, considering his predecessor.
MC is considered a hope for this kingdom, but keep in mind those calling him the hope are also the ones whispering in his ear and seek to manipulate him while on the throne; they want to entrench themselves deeper into his circle than any seer ever did with Regis (who was discarding them one after another).
MC is in a far worse position than his father, as he is naive and inexperienced at being a ruler; Regis was an experienced diplomat at the very least.
Gicoo
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That's irrelevant. I specified that I was refering to the current time at the start of the game, since that is the only time MC and we the player directly know and in which we interact. Old king doesn't need to be likeable and its very classic writing to make him failable, because we selfinsert as MC and strive to replace him quite quickly. So it would be against the games interest if the old king was overly likeable and competent (at the current time of the game, I seemingly have to specify).
Mattew66
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Most likely she's, since I believe she's preggo with MC's baby