VN Ren'Py Imperial Chronicles [v0.11] [Lazy Monkey]

[Bombmaster]

Wait, does Aurora feel different on the other paths? She felt pretty much the same to me on my green coronation as well. But it's been a while since I did that one, so maybe I'm missing something?

Hey now, don't be chatting shit about Cass, and comparing her to that snake okay...

She's a true sweetie at heart and has been through a lot of bullshit in her life. WE'RE gonna fix her.



Ayyyyy, spot on! Finally somebody who gets it

Kill the elves...

Isis is for the fuck everything, kill everyone, destroy the elves and so on.

Would you play as Scum and choose Aurora? is not fair for someone who gives her trust so easily. So Isis comes in clutch for the players that are evil and want a partner in crime not a safe haven.

My Eris path is with Aurora, because she would forgive me, Isis would try to kill the kid and Eris too.

 

[With The]

Isis is for the fuck everything, kill everyone, destroy the elves and so on.

Would you play as Scum and choose Aurora? is not fair for someone who gives her trust so easily. So Isis comes in clutch for the players that are evil and want a partner in crime not a safe haven.

I like the idea of having a partner in crime like Isis. However, the question I always ask is, can she be trusted?
I know the mc isn't a particularly good person, but in this story and situation, what he needs most right now is a trustworthy companion and so far, he still doesn't have one.
That's why my choice is to avoid potential future problems she might cause. I really hope she isn't that kind of untrustworthy person. I like her as a character, but i still don't trust her just like with Alaina.

 

[storm1105]

I like the idea of having a partner in crime like Isis. However, the question I always ask is, can she be trusted?
I know the mc isn't a particularly good person, but in this story and situation, what he needs most right now is a trustworthy companion and so far, he still doesn't have one.
That's why my choice is to avoid potential future problems she might cause. I really hope she isn't that kind of untrustworthy person. I like her as a character, but i still don't trust her just like with Alaina.

Frankly I can't really see why she wouldn't be trusted. If she wants power and ambition than staying loyal to Elis is actually the best thing for her, even when Cass tries to ally with her she kills her but also leaves Cass alone if Elis tells her too.

 

[GibboBtw]

And I say no, she's more likely to kill conrad in that situation as that's exactly what she does to Cass when Elis refuses her coup.

Agree to disagree then I think my brother. I would never fully trust her 100% as she's quite clearly a schemer and a plotter.

Which is one of the reasons why I don't care for her. I don't care for shygirls or girls to akward to try to speak their mind. That's not really a personality, that's just being to scared or nervous to express yourself.

She literally just stands there and bends over at the slightest pressure from Elis.

We're just have to agree to disagree here then as well. But also again, BEING SHY DOES NOT = HAVING NO PERSONALITY. I even gave you examples of personality traits she has.

And your response was "She literally just stands there and bends over at the slightest pressure from Elis."

I mean...being submissive. Is ALSO known as a personality trait btw, so...

Idk what your point is ngl.

I don't really see why being loyal to her husband and being ambitious are somehow multially exclusive. It just seems more like you're deciding that she can't be loyal because she has an adenda rather than any actually evidence against her disloyalty. And do you really think Aurora is going to be ok with bastards either? Aurora wouldn't kill them because I don't think shes capable of killing anything but she obviously wouldn't approve either, just likely she wouldn't approve of Elis having a harem while Isis has no problems with that so long as she's more important than the other women. So far Isis seems like she's not only loyal to the mc but also wants to take a more active role in securing Elis's position.

Because when you're a King/Emperor, I can imagine wanting to surround yourself with people you can trust 100%. And I would rather just give Elis a wife that he won't have to ever wonder if he can trust or not, like with Isis. Overly ambitious people are not very trustworthy in general IMO. As they tend to be rather selfish, ruthless and just overall a giant pain in the ass. (Look at CK2 or CK3 when you have Vassals with the Ambitious trait, if you want to see an example of what I mean)

For the bastards. I personally think she would handle it exactly like the woman I keep comparing her to, in Catelyn Stark. She would be a bit miffed, slightly annoyed maybe? But as she's rather religious, submissive and loyal. I think she would just suck it up and move on. Unlike the other one in Isis. who'd be trying to fucking turn the countryside into a bloodbath to make sure she got every last bastard like she was playing pokemon. Also like a certain Cersei Lannister did as soon as Robert died.

I think overall though. We're never going to agree on these two dude. So I'll just stick with my lovely pale bae.

And you can keep the one who might kill you in your sleep, as soon as she's had the MCs child. And decided you're not needed for her new plans.

Would you play as Scum and choose Aurora? is not fair for someone who gives her trust so easily. So Isis comes in clutch for the players that are evil and want a partner in crime not a safe haven.

Yes. I would...

I can understand picking Isis in some kinda "fuck it we live on the edge" kinda game for sure. But I ain't ever picking her on anything else...NOT TRUSTWORTHY IMO.

 

[With The]

Frankly I can't really see why she wouldn't be trusted. If she wants power and ambition than staying loyal to Elis is actually the best thing for her, even when Cass tries to ally with her she kills her but also leaves Cass alone if Elis tells her too.

If her true motives are power and ambition, the next logical step for her would be to kill mc or maybe trying to. That's precisely why i said she remains an untrustworthy character for now.

 

[Bombmaster]

I like the idea of having a partner in crime like Isis. However, the question I always ask is, can she be trusted?
I know the mc isn't a particularly good person, but in this story and situation, what he needs most right now is a trustworthy companion and so far, he still doesn't have one.
That's why my choice is to avoid potential future problems she might cause. I really hope she isn't that kind of untrustworthy person. I like her as a character, but i still don't trust her just like with Alaina.

But bro, her best interest is keeping Elis strong and alive, Why would she betray him?

On her path she lost ther virginity and is expecting a child, there is no better route than Elis.
Every option is worse than stick with him.

 

[With The]

But bro, her best interest is keeping Elis strong and alive, Why would she betray him?

On her path she lost ther virginity and is expecting a child, there is no better route than Elis.
Every option is worse than stick with him.

I really hope she is truly loyal and doesn't have a hidden agenda. But for now, like I said, she is still an untrustworthy character to me.

 

[GibboBtw]

But bro, her best interest is keeping Elis strong and alive, Why would she betray him?

On her path she lost ther virginity and is expecting a child, there is no better route than Elis.
Every option is worse than stick with him.

Yeah, but that's it AGAIN bro. It's all about "her own interests" It just so happens they align with the MCs FOR NOW...But say if shit starts going sideways eventually, or some serious bullshit happens. Which one of the two, is more likely to bail or flip on the MC, honestly.

is it Isis or Aurora?

 

[Bombmaster]

Yeah, but that's it AGAIN bro. It's all about "her own interests" It just so happens they align with the MCs FOR NOW...But say if shit starts going sideways eventually, or some serious bullshit happens. Which one of the two, is more likely to bail or flip on the MC, honestly.

is it Isis or Aurora?

honestly.

Isis will act in subterfuge to align with her desire, Aurora will hold your hand as the castle burn.

Aurora stark esque, Would prefer dying with honour than having blood on her hands to prevail.
I have no problem having Isis with motivations and cunning, She wants power and lineage and Elis is her best bet.

 

[Gicoo]

Isis and Aurora are too different to properly compare them. Isis vs Cass or Aurora vs Elin could be tougher, since those have similarities to compare to.

If you want an ambitious risky partner, you pick Isis. If you want a safe partner you don't have to stress about, you chose Aurora.

 

[storm1105]

If her true motives are power and ambition, the next logical step for her would be to kill mc or maybe trying to. That's precisely why i said she remains an untrustworthy character for now.

She can't inherit the throne in anyway so killing her would be the worse possible move. And even if she manages to plot her son on the throne there is no evidence she'd more influence over him than Elis.

Agree to disagree then I think my brother. I would never fully trust her 100% as she's quite clearly a schemer and a plotter.

Which is clearly the actual problem here. The only reason why you are saying she's disloyal is just because she actually has her own ambitions instead of just being a completely passive character like Aurora. That doesn't mean she's disloyal though you basically just decided the fact that she can think for her self automatically makes her untrust worthy. Aurora is a completely passive character. She has no real goals are motivation, she's essentially just there to look pretty and give Elis an official heir. that's one of the reason why I said her scenes seem rapey because as it really just seems like she's a pushover who just agrees if Elis is forceful enough even if she's not really interested.

As they tend to be rather selfish, ruthless and just overall a giant pain in the ass. (Look at CK2 or CK3 when you have Vassals with the Ambitious trait, if you want to see an example of what I mean)

Crusader kings is a terrible example, nobody acts like real people in the game and the computer isn't really complex enough to give the characters too many objectives. No npc in crusader kings acts like a real person, the ai is actually really really dumb. I also disagree that ambitionous people are automatically selfish and untrust worthy. I actually think that's a really weird thing to argue.

Unlike the other one in Isis. who'd be trying to fucking turn the countryside into a bloodbath to make sure she got every last bastard like she was playing pokemon

She said she would only get rid of bastards that try to present a claim, there's no reason for her to search every peasant village for potential bastard.

I can understand picking Isis in some kinda "fuck it we live on the edge" kinda game for sure. But I ain't ever picking her on anything else...NOT TRUSTWORTHY IMO.

It really just sounds more like you have trust issues tbh. You prefer submissive women because you don't trust people easily. You're imagine in your head of these characters is far far worse than anything they've demonstrated. Like I said even if Isis didn't care about Elis harming Elis for any reason is literally counter to her goals. But she says herself that she loves Elis and there is no real reason to doubt her on that

We're just have to agree to disagree here then as well. But also again, BEING SHY DOES NOT = HAVING NO PERSONALITY. I even gave you examples of personality traits she has.

Shy is not a personality shy is just being to afraid to express yourself. People who are shy are only shy because of poor social skills.

And you can keep the one who might kill you in your sleep, as soon as she's had the MCs child.

We already know from the future scenes that she's clearly not going to kill Elis so I don't even understand why that's a question here. My problem here is you clearly aren't actually basing anything off evidence. You're basically just deciding anyone who actually thinks can't be trusted

 

[Alan Dalles]

Isis is for the fuck everything, kill everyone, destroy the elves and so on.

Would you play as Scum and choose Aurora? is not fair for someone who gives her trust so easily. So Isis comes in clutch for the players that are evil and want a partner in crime not a safe haven.

My Eris path is with Aurora, because she would forgive me, Isis would try to kill the kid and Eris too.

Just my case. In first playthrough my MC was a pragmatic-evil intriguer, which wanted to gain power (Green path). "Altruistic" choices (Blood for Sona, Val and Valerian's rescue) were commitied to gain allies, owed to me personally. Isis's skills could be useful, but her loyalty hasn't basis (only political marriage without love). Aurora (besides submissive and loyal nature) has political advantage: her father (King Dubovitsky) hasn't alive sons (Isis has three brothers) and after his death Golden Empire can (relatively easy) annex the North via support on election his grandson=our son (historic reference - entitlement of France before the War of Spanish succession). And Aurora's family (on her words) has a similar role model: father is "ideal" king, who "keep his hands in the dirt and blood", mother takes care of the family and teaches her daughters.

 

[GibboBtw]

She can't inherit the throne in anyway so killing her would be the worse possible move. And even if she manages to plot her son on the throne there is no evidence she'd more influence over him than Elis.

...You think that there is no evidence, that a woman would have more influence over her own young child vs her level of influence over her grown husband??...or what are you actually saying here...

Which is clearly the actual problem here. The only reason why you are saying she's disloyal is just because she actually has her own ambitions instead of just being a completely passive character like Aurora. That doesn't mean she's disloyal though you basically just decided the fact that she can think for her self automatically makes her untrust worthy. Aurora is a completely passive character. She has no real goals are motivation, she's essentially just there to look pretty and give Elis an official heir. that's one of the reason why I said her scenes seem rapey because as it really just seems like she's a pushover who just agrees if Elis is forceful enough even if she's not really interested.

So you equate "thinking for yourself" as just being ambitious? tf kinda logic is that. Idk how many times I have to say this, and we keep going in circles. I don't trust Isis because she is quite clearly of the two bridal options. The one that will be the most trouble and the most drama, and be the least trustworthy of the two. I don't know how many times we have to fucking go back and forth on this. You prefer Isis. I prefer Aurora.

Crusader kings is a terrible example, nobody acts like real people in the game and the computer isn't really complex enough to give the characters two many objectives. No npc in crusader kings acts like a real person, the ai is actually really really dumb. I also disagree that ambitionous people are automatically selfish and untrust worthy. I actually think that's a really weird thing to argue.

How about Game of Thrones then? Seeing as Isis could straight up pass as a version of Arianne Martell. Wouldn't be my pick for a wife if I was choosing for the Crown Prince...Idk about you. I'd rather pick the one who's going to give him peace and loyalty. Simple really.

She said she would only get rid of bastards that try to present a claim, there's no reason for her to search every peasant village for potential bastard.

So we've already have proof that she has said that she will get rid of bastards in one way. And you just believe her? Why couldn't she just be lying? as we've already established she's a schemer and a plotter. Not exactly unthinkable is it, that she would just go on a murderspree of bastards countrywide if she had enough power to do so.

It really just sounds more like you have trust issues tbh. You prefer submissive women because you don't trust people easily. You're imagine in your head of these characters is far far worse than anything they've demonstrated. Like I said even if Isis didn't care about Elis harming Elis for any reason is literally counter to her goals. But she says herself that she loves Elis and there is no real reason to doubt her on that

Trying to "psycho analyze" me or some shit off of my opinion of one character from this game is wild dude ngl.

And you're pretty much instantly wrong anyway, as Cass is easily in my top 2-3 of characters I like as LIs in this game, and she doesn't exactly have much in common with Aurora does she.

Shy is not a personality shy is just being to afraid to express yourself. People who are shy are only shy because of poor social skills.

I'm really beginning to question if you can read english or not dude. I have never said that "shy is a personality type" I said. "BEING SHY DOES NOT = HAVING NO PERSONALITY" Meaning, if you are shy. It doesn't just mean you therefore have NO PERSONALITY. I even then gave you several of her ACTUAL personality traits a few posts back. But you either didn't understand that, or just skipped them. As you can see here

I think you need to google the word "personality" my brother. Because she clearly shows quite a few personality traits. If you just get to know her. She's quite clearly kind, caring, bookish, dutiful, sweet, has a bit of a temper, is loyal to a fault, devoted, and modest just to name some.

Just because she's shy, and not the most assertive, ambitious or outwardly spoken like Isis is. Really does not mean she doesn't have a personality dude. That's weak.

We already know from the future scenes that she's clearly not going to kill Elis so I don't even understand why that's a question here. My problem here is you clearly aren't actually basing anything off evidence. You're basically just deciding anyone who actually thinks can't be trusted

No, you really don't have a point. My problems with her are not just because "she thinks" or some stupid reason like that. I mean what does that even mean honestly...

It's actually very simple, like Gicoo said.

If you want an ambitious risky partner, you pick Isis. If you want a safe partner you don't have to stress about, you chose Aurora.

Everyone seems to understand that of the two of them, Isis is 100% the more risky and dangerous one of the two. That COULD go badly for the MC. And that Aurora is the safer, kinder, partner. And overall, the one that will offer the least risk and drama. So therefore is the one that I personally would pick in real life, 9 times out of 10. And also the one I would pick for the MC in this game as well. Very simple.

 

[GarudoSCHE]

We already know from the future scenes that she's clearly not going to kill Elis so I don't even understand why that's a question here. My problem here is you clearly aren't actually basing anything off evidence. You're basically just deciding anyone who actually thinks can't be trusted

Well, maybe she won't kill him, that would look very suspicious, but she can make it so that he doesn't make decisions himself.
I'm not entirely sure that I understand how regency works in his Game, but I'll give crusader kings 3 as an example. Your character can get a state of incapacity, which deprives your character of the ability to do anything, and all the work falls on the regent.And since at the time of the game the child is not there, knowing Isis, we can assume that she can do something like that.
Also, I would not cite the future of MC as evidence, since we know that it is shown to us by the side of the conflict pursuing their own goals.I want to believe that Elis and Elin's child are on our side, but the renders are rather terrifying.

PS::And speaking of trust:

 

[Oninn]

Partner one is Isis. She hopes to gain power with marriage and use it for her own gain. In other hand Aurora is a wife. she don't seek for power to her gain. she tries to be supporting wife not partner. So if MC break bad, there is a potential that Isis f*ck over Mc for her benefit. Of course even Aurora can do that but that potential is much lesser than Isis.

 

[storm1105]

...You think that there is no evidence, that a woman would have more influence over her own young child vs her level of influence over her grown husband??...or what are you actually saying here...

Again we already see last chapter that their son is an adult and Elis is still alive(which is one of the reasons why the whole she's going to murder you argument doesn't make any sense). And even then you think a child wouldn't disobey her or capable of being influenced by anyone else in court?

So you equate "thinking for yourself" as just being ambitious?

Yes I do. People who think for themselves have goals and ambitions desires. Aurora doesn't have any of that. Like I said she's just there to give Elis an official heir.

be the least trustworthy of the two. I don't know how many times we have to fucking go back and forth on this.

The problem is you've given literally no examples of why she would be the least trouble of the two while also accusing her of doing stuff or potentially doing stuff that's already counter to stuff she's already said in done. It's pretty clear your not basing your opinions on the character off the actual character, but instead just using her as a Cersei Lanister stand-in even though her character is pretty much nothing like Cersei

Trying to "psycho analyze" me or some shit off of my opinion of one character from this game is wild dude ngl.

Because you took me as me trying to literally analysis your real life opinions and not your opinions of fictional characters. In terms of fiction it's pretty clear you're simply just judging off first impressions rather than their actual actions and you judge Isis as untrusty worthy because she actually agendas and things she wants to happen instead of completely passive and submissive Aurora who is just there because her father sent her to marry you afraid to speak up or do anything for her self. She's just there to give elis children and is otherwise a boring unimportant character.


I'm not saying how you think of people in real life but it's pretty clear as far as fictional characters are considered you simply just don't trust anyone

I'm really beginning to question if you can read english or not dude. I have never said that "shy is a personality type" I said. "BEING SHY DOES NOT = HAVING NO PERSONALITY" Meaning, if you are shy. It doesn't just mean you therefore have NO PERSONALITY. I even then gave you several of her ACTUAL personality traits a few posts back. But you either didn't understand that, or just skipped them. As you can see here

She has no personality. Like I've said over and over again she basically just stands there bends over at the slightest push from any other character and is too

No, you really don't have a point.

Oh wow you said I don't have a point. Guess that settles that. You've still provided no real evidence or examples of why she's supposedly untrust worthy. Just supposedly claimed over and over again she was while also making it clear you never really did her route in the first place because you keep getting details wrong.

So we've already have proof that she has said that she will get rid of bastards in one way. And you just believe her? Why couldn't she just be lying? as we've already established she's a schemer and a plotter. Not exactly unthinkable is it, that she would just go on a murderspree of bastards countrywide if she had enough power to do so.

Why wouldn't I believe her. Literally what goal would that accomplish for her to just murder random peasants whose father could be anyone? Why? If she's scheming she has no reason to they literally have no claim. And again why is she untrustworthy? Saying "she has schemes" isn't enough, if we say that's enough than none of the characters except Lia and Elin are trust worthy. A character being a schemer doesn't mean she doesn't have Elis's best interest in mind or care about Elis, so far even in her schemes she's deferred to Elis instead of acting on her own.

How about Game of Thrones then? Seeing as Isis could straight up pass as a version of Arianne Martell. Wouldn't be my pick for a wife if I was choosing for the Crown Prince...Idk about you. I'd rather pick the one who's going to give him peace and loyalty. Simple really.

Again why wouldn't Isis be loyal. I keep asking you over and over and you have yet to give an answer other than "she has ambitions" but so does every other character in the game. So far the only thing Isis has been clear on is that she wants Elis to be Emperor. I don't really care if you think Aurora is the safe option it's more about why you already decided that isis is going to kill Elis and is acting against him. Every scene we've been show so far has shown the opposite

 

[storm1105]

Well, maybe she won't kill him, that would look very suspicious, but she can make it so that he doesn't make decisions himself.
I'm not entirely sure that I understand how regency works in his Game, but I'll give crusader kings 3 as an example. Your character can get a state of incapacity, which deprives your character of the ability to do anything, and all the work falls on the regent.And since at the time of the game the child is not there, knowing Isis, we can assume that she can do something like that.
Also, I would not cite the future of MC as evidence, since we know that it is shown to us by the side of the conflict pursuing their own goals.I want to believe that Elis and Elin's child are on our side, but the renders are rather terrifying.

PS::And speaking of trust:
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In the future scenes we already know Elis goes away on trips for seemly diplomacy so he's clearly capable of making his own decisions. Frankly so far nobody has given a good reason not to trust Isis. I understand being wary. I don't understand insisting over and over that she's going to kill Elis in her sleep with literally no evidence pointng towards that and ample counter evidence to that idea

 

[Bombmaster]

storm1051787
There is a bias if any Female character is cruel and can do evil, Slutty is fine and accepted. but how dare subterfuge and having own agendas. People are used to having Lis that just coddle the protagonist and dont know where the bodies are buried, A shame.

 

[Gicoo]

Another reason why I can't give the Isis/Aurora comparison as much weigh is that both are used underwhelmingly in the story. They are forced on the MC due arranged marriage, instead of coming to him organically and naturally. As outsiders, they have no knowledge and effect on the internal family politics, which the game tends to focus on. And regarding romances, they are fairly impersonal and secondary to the four incest choices, the main love interests in the game.

Could change if MC travels and interacts with the North and South, but as of now, they are very much trophy wife's and breeding machines in every aspect.

It's the old tale of my main discontent with the game, that it gives not so much the illusion of choice, but the illusion of consequences and danger. The only one being able to ruin lives is almost always MC. People praise the game with the Game of Thrones comparison, a ruthless brutal political plot of backstabbing and betrayal, but rarely anyone dies outside of MCs control. If he refuses to work with Cass, she very much asks MC to kill her and at worst she imprisons MC, which is ultimately an inconsequential punishment. Iris also talks a big game, but it can only unfold if MC gives her permission to. Man, what a dangerous and unpredictable character indeed.

The game would take the player, used by power fantasy harem games with effectively no opposition, out of their comfort zone, if the NPCs would actually have agency.

Say, Iris always kills Cass if MC decided to marry her and gets imprisoned. A bunch of people would seethe, but wouldn't that give your choice weight and the NPCs give agency? And instead of losing your mind over it, players can either take the loss or try again and marry Aurora or don't get imprisoned on the next run. That would be more in line with making choices that matter and interacting with characters that make decisions not entirely in our control.

But meh, who wants to be challenged, face difficulties and possibly LOSE in a video game???

 

[GibboBtw]

Again we already see last chapter that their son is an adult and Elis is still alive(which is one of the reasons why the whole she's going to murder you argument doesn't make any sense). And even then you think a child wouldn't disobey her or capable of being influenced by anyone else in court?

Ah okay, we saw it in a vision. So it MUST be true then, seems legit...

The problem is you've given literally no examples of why she would be the least trouble of the two while also accusing her of doing stuff or potentially doing stuff that's already counter to stuff she's already said in done. It's pretty clear your basing your opinions on the character off the actual character, but instead just using her as a Cersei Lanister stand-in even though her character is pretty much nothing like Cersei

How can you honestly even debate that Isis would be less trouble or give less drama. Than fucking Aurora...There is just no way

Which one of them likes to fuck with people, and scheme in her own free time, JUST to alleviate some of her own boredom?? Or how about threatening to kill any bastard that present a problem to her? Yeah, she's for sure not going to be more trouble just there alone than the other one...Right?

Because you took me as me trying to literally analysis your real life opinions and not your opinions of fictional characters. In terms of fiction it's pretty clear you're simply just judging off first impressions rather than their actual actions and you judge Isis as untrusty worthy because she actually agendas and things she wants to happen instead of completely passive and submissive Aurora who is just there because her father sent her to marry you afraid to speak up or do anything for her self. She's just there to give elis children and is otherwise a boring unimportant character.

Well yes, isn't that the whole point of that arc with both of the brides. You get a first impression of them, and then you spend some time with both of them. And then you have to pick. And IMO, Isis raises too many red flags in those moments alone, The being snappy with Aurora at breakfast (needing to start drama), or just look at Ahara's reaction to her as soon as she finds out who she is...what with the hyperventilating and complete panic at the thought of being discovered after her family was killed by Isis's.

I'm not saying how you think of people in real life but it's pretty clear as far as fictional characters are considered you simply just don't trust anyone

Again, you're basing that off my mistrust of this one character?? How exactly?? I trust enough characters in this game at the moment. And just because I distrust Isis and Alaina doesn't mean I "dont trust anyone" that's the dumbest thing I've heard. I'm just quite clearly, more distrusting and wary of people whom are quite clearly "plotters and schemers" and for good reason.

She has no personality. Like I've said over and over again she basically just stands there bends over at the slightest push from any other character and is too

Ah fuck it. Whatever you say dude. I've repeatedly proven this wrong, and even given you personality traits she possesses. But if it makes it easier for you to just pretend she has no personality so you can act like she's a worse choice, then you do what you want bro. I'm not gonna keep wasting time trying to show you that you're wrong about her. When you just keep skipping over everything I've said about the topic.

Oh wow you said I don't have a point. Guess that settles that. You've still provided no real evidence or examples of why she's supposedly untrust worthy. Just supposedly claimed over and over again she was while also making it clear you never really did her route in the first place because you keep getting details wrong.

Her own admissions that she will have your bastards killed, Ahara's reaction to hearing her family name, and telling you that they're all monsters who had her family killed. The fact that she likes to scheme and plot to cure her own boredom.

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No evidence at all here as to why some might find her untrustworthy right?... The fact is, she's fucking WALKING DRAMA. Who tf wants that honestly...Especially when you have a lovely, kind and caring alternative. RIGHT THERE...

Again why wouldn't Isis be loyal. I keep asking you over and over and you have yet to give an answer other than "she has ambitions" but so does every other character in the game. So far the only thing Isis has been clear on is that she wants Elis to be Emperor. I don't really care if you think Aurora is the safe option it's more about why you already decided that isis is going to kill Elis and is acting against him. Every scene we've been show so far has shown the opposite

She could end up being loyal. But because I've watched/played enough media set in this kind of fantasy/medieval-esc setting. And the one recurring thing I've learnt is.

Don't. Trust. The intrigue type characters. At least not ever fully.

You never know what kind of bullshit they could be cooking up.

So let me put it this way. Are you honestly going to tell me, that if this situation was real. And you were Elis. With no MC plot armour, or any idea how anything was going to end up. And no guarantee that every choice would work out. That you would choose Isis for being the better pick for your wife?

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There is a bias if any Female character is cruel and can do evil, Slutty is fine and accepted. but how dare subterfuge and having own agendas. People are used to having Lis that just coddle the protagonist and dont know where the bodies are buried, A shame.

Well, I can't speak for others.

But my disdain and dislike for "subterfuge and plotting" isn't just bound to women.

If this game had a Littlefinger type character or a Varys. You can bet your arse I would watching those mfers like a hawk, treating them the same as I do with Alaina. And as soon as they fuck around and I could murk their asses. Dead.