I don't really agree with ophelia's scenes being creepy and while Elis needs to learn some boundries I feel like that's an issue on for Elin's path as well and It becomes less of an issue for the queen after you return from the west as the queen actually gets into the relationship. I don't really think I dislike any of them although I find Aurora extremely dull especially when compared to Isis. But honestly to me it just sounds like you need to try the love route for the queen rather than the lust route. The scenes aren't as good but Elis is far less pushy and Sera is more recipical. In the lost route even later it's basically just a thing because the Queen is also horny. Ophelia's scenes are helped because she's not a total idiot like a lot of the little sister type characters in these games are and the fact that outside of the first few scenes Ophelia ends up being the one initiating thingsI can only speak from what I played so far and how it feels to me. I really only was commenting because I find the pregnancy thing makes sense from a story point of view with certain characters to me since that what was being talked about.
But for how I feel on the subject from what played so far ( just got back from the west so things can change)
i'm 50/50 on Cass cause I really like how her path plays and feels but yeah she doesn't feel like a LI that it would make too much sense either for her character to get knocked up. But I can also kind of see it happening ( depending on how her character is by time I finish my 12 or so saves) cause just like Elin I get a sense of closeness with her just not as close as the twin for obvious reasons.
The mother just doesn't feel right to me cause how that relationship mostly feels creepy to me with how the MC acts towards her if you are on her path. It's also why to me if im being honest that is one of the few incest relationships I could do without in this game. Since this feels more like a story first game than a incest game to me otherwise be whatever to me. This is coming from someone that mostly only likes mothers from incest games too.
I also kind of feel the same for Ophelia as I do with the mother just with less of a creep factor. But also kind of mixed about her too cause she is a really fun character yet and she has made it clear what she wants and how she feels. Yet the way she acts gives me pause , which is why she is on my content saves and not my main saves same goes with the mother. Also I kind of don't like the mother very much compared to Cass , Elin and Ophelia and Aurora. Only 1 I dislike more than the mother for now is Isis
Now im only looking at it from a story telling and love path point of view cause that is how I see this game. Not saying they shouldn't be there at all or anything cause I get why it's there especially since you can play your MC as an asshole / creep where that playstyle in my eyes the mother makes sense to me for those type of saves or MC's. But that is why there are certain incest relationships in this game I could do without on a personal level which is why I don't play them on my main saves only content saves
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Well I did say ophelia was less creepy depending on the scene ( only some where for me) . Like the spanking scene was a bit to far to me in the creep factor but also wasn't that bad either unlike the Queen for me. Yeah the Queen love path is my main path for her on the content saves I only doing the super creepy stuff on my asshole and cruel saves. I basically got 3 Main saves , 3 Manslut saves , 3 Asshole ones ( lust and creepy options ) and 3 Cruel ones ( these are where I do stuff like kill people , and other content I don't want to do on my other saves)
but good to hear Queen's path gets better cause up to this point I don't like the Queen path and pretty sure I wasn't picking any lust options unless I messed up somewhere lol. Only playing 6 of my 12 saves for now. Tho even if it gets better I doubt I will still like her a person compared to other LI , I find her a bit unlikeable for certain things she has done even tho Cass has done some bad things too. The Queen / Mother has just rubbed me the wrong way more than Cass.
What about the queen rubbed you the wrong way? I thought she was fine, the only thing I dislike about the Queen is that I think she treats Cass unfairly other than that she just feels like an older Elin to me. I don't really bother having that many saves. I only really bother with my two warrior saves(one on green and one on red with Isis) which are both on the Queen's lust routes my bookworm save use just to see all the alternative stuff I missed I haven't killed any characters just for the sake of it though.
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I disliked how she treats Cass and I felt her disliked towards Cass even rubbed onto Elin too. Also How she spied on the MC, also really disliked her buying the MC a whore. Which to me made my trust in her go down even more than before. Especially when Ahara something on the lines she is technically the Queen's and just does as she is ordered. I forget the exact dialogue but it gave me the impression the whore was another way for her to spy even if there was another reason for her to buy her the whore. I just get the feeling she is hiding something especially how someone told the MC she used to have secret meetings with elves.
Now I don't think her spying or secrets is exactly bad like she is gonna use it against the MC or something. But at the same time it makes me not trust her.
All Ahara says is that the Queen is the one paying the bill and that she'll stop paying for her once Elis marries Isis/Aurora so she tries to convince Elis to pay for her. I don't think she was ever spying on Elis it was just something the Queen did in attempt to stop Elis's advances towards her. If you're distrustful of the Queen you really shouldn't be after the last chapter. They made it clear that Elis is her primary interest and she'll support anything Elis does even if he ends favoring the humans over the elves.
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You have to put yourself in Seraphina's shoes, though: Elis starts showing sexual interest in her, so she immediately figures out a way to help him deal with those desires without producing bastards like so many kings and lords are known for.
The whore (which wasn't your average prostitute bought off the streets, mind you - Ahara is essentially a high-end escort) is there to ensure his time as king isn't spent trying to settle disputes between his bastards.
Yes, she spied on MC, but so far, it genuinely appears to have been out of concern for his well-being - her son was taken from her as a child, mind you. Any mother, let alone a Queen with access to plenty of resources would try to keep tabs on her own child.
Her only fault is that she treated Cassandra like dirt (the same fault that made Catelyn Stark a compelling character). We don't know for sure if this was because she knew she was the daughter of the real Regis or not, but her not liking her husband's daughter from a previous marriage is understandable - even if her behavior was too cruel.
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haha true from that pov she isn't that bad but at the same time usually when I decide if I like someone or not I just find it easier to use my feeling and not really think about their pov to often unless they do something fucked up then I go okay why would they do this etc etc. Plus I been treating this game more or less like game of thrones so I was seeing more red flags than what was there with her probably.
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I mean, the basis of empathy is being able to see the world from someone else's eyes. To understand Seraphina's character, you have to put yourself in the shoes of a parent at the very least - especially a mother.
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While Elis does have to start some of the scenes with Sera. She's just as guilty as him earlier on. She intentionally teases him about if he jerked off or not. This is after she caught him thinking lewd thoughts while she was bent over. She then deep throats a banana to get a reaction out of him. Before she also sits on him while the both of them are naked in the pool without him even asking her. Allowing him to grope her tits a bit before she leaves. So I wouldn't say it's entirely Elis fault. Sera clearly welcomed and participated in the debauchery until she realized how far she was going.
And the thing is. She admits to this during their lust scene in the rain later. She admits to teasing him when he first came back to the castle during her dirty talk. That she wanted to get a reaction out of him. So really, Sera was already into Elis before Elis even did anything. And this goes for both routes earlier since the very start to Sera path involves Elis fantasizing about her while she bends over. Something she did intentionally to get him interested, basically.
Yes, Elis can be aggressive in his pursuit of her but it's not like Sera was actually against it. Except maybe the post coup scenes. I think Elis went a bit too far for Sera liking there. Since she does genuinely get pissed.
And the thing is. She admits to this during their lust scene in the rain later. She admits to teasing him when he first came back to the castle during her dirty talk. That she wanted to get a reaction out of him. So really, Sera was already into Elis before Elis even did anything. And this goes for both routes earlier since the very start to Sera path involves Elis fantasizing about her while she bends over. Something she did intentionally to get him interested, basically.
Yes, Elis can be aggressive in his pursuit of her but it's not like Sera was actually against it. Except maybe the post coup scenes. I think Elis went a bit too far for Sera liking there. Since she does genuinely get pissed.
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Yeah, I totally forgot about that. She herself admits to have started off seeing Elis as a man first, a son second - all because of the exile.
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how does one get cass to like you while at the same time, get set as heir and have a lot of Elin points?
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It's tricky-ish, but doable. You just need to find the sweet spot between backing Cass and not. Just pick which 3 of these you are going to do and then don't do the others.
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I usually take a knee, give my ring to Isis/Aurora and Kiss his hand during the ceremony. And then you just need to get the more free Cass points as well. Promise to marry her, not promise anything to Arcadia during the council meeting, win/draw the duel vs her, and the most important one that makes or breaks it. DEFEND CASS during the family dinner. It's 2 free points that will get you over the edge.
If you want the exact things.
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There are many ways to do this. Here's how I do it:
Magic backstory. Choose all the decisions that give Elin points according to the guide.
Next, a page from the walkthrough that triggers a dialogue with Cass:
For the king I do the following:
This will allow you to make decisions that will give you the opportunity to get the maximum number of points with Elin.
Ps:: You will lose 1 so that you have the opportunity to get +2 with Lockhart and convince him not to consummate the marriage.
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thanks for this I got the scene of being named Heir once and didn't know what I did different. Think I might redo my main 3 saves to be named Heir now lol.
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Just got this error. But i chose Cass side when i was in prison.
UPD. Something wrong with incest patch. Just don't use it yet.
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No. you can still turn her down. This is just how to get enough points so she asks you to begin with.
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Talking about, how many brothers did Regis have? Only two? So with Conrad's older brother now dying of old age, would there be any issue beyond assuming a false identity and an unreported regicide? Because if so, succession would have put him on the throne regardless unless he's been disinherited by gramps, meaning Elis would be legitimate by proxy.
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Not sure how much more I got to play but man playing the fix Cass path making me feel so bad for her more than before. It seemed like all she needed was some proper punishment to change for the better. My favorite scene so far in this game has to be when you hug her in the Garden when you get back from the west on the Fix her path. Funny thing is from things I heard from the other nobles / people in power I sorta of did did agree with her doing the coup just not giving her unlimited power of the council.