VN Ren'Py Imperial Chronicles [v0.11] [Lazy Monkey]

[With The]

eh i'd disagree I say this is a story first game that just happens to have incest I don't see it being close to a fuck fest really.

"just happen"

 

[lesnO56]

Elis is the legimate heir even if Conrad will find out Alaina's schemes. Are you sure you can trust Alaina to keep you on the throne once you tell her you want nothing to do with the elves, if so you wish?

Elis is illegitimate because his father is illegitimate.
If Conrad finds evidence, he will be the next king because Cass is a woman.

I repeat, I don't dispute that Alaina wants benefits for the elves from the human emperor. That's obvious.
Obviously, if you tell Alaina you don't plan to give the elves anything, she'll be disappointed.
But personally, I plan to give the elves at least a valley and rights.

I repeat, Alaina's adventures are far more daunting than Elis.

Alaina knows how to kill, manipulate, pressure, and deceive entire nations.
With the resume she laid out before the fireplace, the CIA would beg to hire her at any price.
Her help will be invaluable when Alice wants to legitimize her harem.

We just need to find out whether she values a republic, or whether she'll help build an absolute monarchy.
If it's the former, then she needs to crack her skull with a goblet right now.
If it's the latter, then she'll be more helpful than anyone.

 

[Esti]

That’s just asking for too much variability in paths. LM is already struggling to include all the girls somewhat evenly, and now you want preggo/non-preggo content as well? Sorry, but that’s going to be a fat NO.

That is just false. You don't actually need to develop anything new for non-preggo path. Basically everything stays the same, but those who don't want to see preggo content - don't. You only need to include one variable in the game and all that it does - exclude content you don't want to see. Everything else stays just the same. Well, maybe some sex scenes change in one detail, that being how models look, but their non-preggo look is already in place, so you don't actually need to develop that. Believe me, tracking if Cass is alive (what monster would kill her anyway?) is more complicated.

 

[lesnO56]

That's really not a good way to approach stories btw.

Because when a story wants to feel believable it has to adhere to the problem that very few people can stand the extra energy needed to act in a way that is inconsistent with their internal state, all except the most manipulative and Machiavellian people.

The second is that you are basically saying you can look into LM's mind and predict the story better than what is written in text or subtext by way of extrapolation. Which is just hogwash.

So your argument boils down to Conrad's characterization up until now being a red herring for the sake of a twist that has no evidence beyond extrapolation. But such an argument is fundamentally a positivistic one and just because it's a logical chain doesn't mean that it's real, because all logic relies on axioms that you have to just accept as real.

And if you think you got a better read on Conrad than everyone else, that's your prerogative to think, I guess.

I'm not saying I'm looking into the author's mind.

My commentary is analysis and logic.
Have you played chess? Have you ever planned anything in your life?
Then you should know that a good plan should be based on the worst-case scenario.
A good plan should eliminate the worst-case scenario.

The worst-case scenario for Elis regarding Conrad is that his playing the good uncle is just a facade, and he also desires the throne like his brothers.
And purely mathematically, he will be in a position to undermine Alice's power and legitimacy when he finds evidence.
Logically, he already threatens Elis power simply by possessing such information—that Elis is illegitimate.
(Unlike Alaina, who cannot reveal this information without drowning herself and the elves.)
Therefore, killing Conrad is simply logical.

And if you think you got a better read on Conrad than everyone else, that's your prerogative to think, I guess.

You don't get it. I don't care whether I read Conrad better or worse than everyone else.
(Obviously, the author will give us a development where Conrad will be both a traitor and an ally, just like Alaina)

If you don't kill Conrad after all this, then you're a naive who closes your eyes to the worst-case scenario and believes the best, that Conrad really is a good guy.

Yes, you're right, "just because it's a logical chain doesn't mean that it's real"
Well said, indeed.
But for me, it's enough that it's logical and rational, meaning Conrad's skull gets to know the cup.
In any case, it's just a game.

In my first playthrough, I want to make the same decisions I would if I were the protagonist.
And I'd be guided by logic, not by the concepts of writing an entertaining story.

 

[Filipis]

That is just false. You don't actually need to develop anything new for non-preggo path. Basically everything stays the same, but those who don't want to see preggo content - don't. You only need to include one variable in the game and all that it does - exclude content you don't want to see. Everything else stays just the same. Well, maybe some sex scenes change in one detail, that being how models look, but their non-preggo look is already in place, so you don't actually need to develop that. Believe me, tracking if Cass is alive (what monster would kill her anyway?) is more complicated.

Except every scene that features those characters (and the story heavily involves all the women, regardless of romance status) has to be rendered twice - pregnant version and non-pregnant version.

Maybe it doesn't amount to 200% work because they aren't in every render, but it is certainly at least 150% more work for LM, who already "struggles" to maintain his rigorous 2-month schedule (which already includes sacrifices like script errors, bugs, inconsistencies, and even reduced render count for 1.1).

To accommodate your request, LM would have to punish basically 90% of his other fans that want to see pregnancy content.

 

[Dessolos]

I would even argue pregnancy content makes more sense in this 1 for story reasons as well and that is coming from someone that is picky if I like pregnancy content. Only characters I can think of that would be a bit weird and out of place in terms of pregnancy content for me up to what I played ( yeah I know im slow ) would be the mother and her Elf side of the family and probably Ophelia .

 

[storm1051787]

I would even argue pregnancy content makes more sense in this 1 for story reasons as well and that is coming from someone that is picky if I like pregnancy content. Only characters I can think of that would be a bit weird and out of place in terms of pregnancy content for me up to what I played ( yeah I know im slow ) would be the mother and her Elf side of the family and probably Ophelia .

Did you not play the latest chaper yet?

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[Dessolos]

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only just got back from the West , which is why i said up to what I played. Even if others do get pregnant besides Cass , Elin and the wife it would still weird for me from what I played thus far. Not saying it shouldn't happen just wouldn't feel off to me with how their paths feel right now. Tho I can see it making more sense for an asshole type of save , where it doesn't feel like the MC loves them but is just in it for the sex. , since those options are there.

 

[storm1051787]

only just got back from the West , which is why i said up to what I played. Even if others do get pregnant besides Cass , Elin and the wife it would still weird for me from what I played thus far. Not saying it shouldn't happen just wouldn't feel off to me with how their paths feel right now.

Cass imo is the only one that wouldn't feel right with pregnancy content because you'd bench her. Ophelia never leaves the castle anyway so it wouldn't matter other than it would be hard to cover up although

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It's not like the pregnancies other than the wives and Valeria's were planned anyway. It's just Elis being careless and not pulling out

 

[Dessolos]

Cass imo is the only one that wouldn't feel right with pregnancy content because you'd bench her. Ophelia never leaves the castle anyway so it wouldn't matter other than it would be hard to cover up although

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It's not like the pregnancies other than the wives and Valeria's were planned anyway. It's just Elis being careless and not pulling out

I can only speak from what I played so far and how it feels to me. I really only was commenting because I find the pregnancy thing makes sense from a story point of view with certain characters to me since that what was being talked about.

But for how I feel on the subject from what played so far ( just got back from the west so things can change)

i'm 50/50 on Cass cause I really like how her path plays and feels but yeah she doesn't feel like a LI that it would make too much sense either for her character to get knocked up. But I can also kind of see it happening ( depending on how her character is by time I finish my 12 or so saves) cause just like Elin I get a sense of closeness with her just not as close as the twin for obvious reasons.

The mother just doesn't feel right to me cause how that relationship mostly feels creepy to me with how the MC acts towards her if you are on her path. It's also why to me if im being honest that is one of the few incest relationships I could do without in this game. Since this feels more like a story first game than a incest game to me otherwise be whatever to me. This is coming from someone that mostly only likes mothers from incest games too.

I also kind of feel the same for Ophelia as I do with the mother just with less of a creep factor. But also kind of mixed about her too cause she is a really fun character yet and she has made it clear what she wants and how she feels. Yet the way she acts gives me pause , which is why she is on my content saves and not my main saves same goes with the mother. Also I kind of don't like the mother very much compared to Cass , Elin and Ophelia and Aurora. Only 1 I dislike more than the mother for now is Isis

Now im only looking at it from a story telling and love path point of view cause that is how I see this game. Not saying they shouldn't be there at all or anything cause I get why it's there especially since you can play your MC as an asshole / creep where that playstyle in my eyes the mother makes sense to me for those type of saves or MC's. But that is why there are certain incest relationships in this game I could do without on a personal level which is why I don't play them on my main saves only content saves

 

[storm1051787]

I can only speak from what I played so far and how it feels to me. I really only was commenting because I find the pregnancy thing makes sense from a story point of view with certain characters to me since that what was being talked about.

But for how I feel on the subject from what played so far ( just got back from the west so things can change)

i'm 50/50 on Cass cause I really like how her path plays and feels but yeah she doesn't feel like a LI that it would make too much sense either for her character to get knocked up. But I can also kind of see it happening ( depending on how her character is by time I finish my 12 or so saves) cause just like Elin I get a sense of closeness with her just not as close as the twin for obvious reasons.

The mother just doesn't feel right to me cause how that relationship mostly feels creepy to me with how the MC acts towards her if you are on her path. It's also why to me if im being honest that is one of the few incest relationships I could do without in this game. Since this feels more like a story first game than a incest game to me otherwise be whatever to me. This is coming from someone that mostly only likes mothers from incest games too.

I also kind of feel the same for Ophelia as I do with the mother just with less of a creep factor. But also kind of mixed about her too cause she is a really fun character yet and she has made it clear what she wants and how she feels. Yet the way she acts gives me pause , which is why she is on my content saves and not my main saves same goes with the mother. Also I kind of don't like the mother very much compared to Cass , Elin and Ophelia and Aurora. Only 1 I dislike more than the mother for now is Isis

Now im only looking at it from a story telling and love path point of view cause that is how I see this game. Not saying they shouldn't be there at all or anything cause I get why it's there especially since you can play your MC as an asshole / creep where that playstyle in my eyes the mother makes sense to me for those type of saves or MC's. But that is why there are certain incest relationships in this game I could do without on a personal level which is why I don't play them on my main saves only content saves

I don't really agree with ophelia's scenes being creepy and while Elis needs to learn some boundries I feel like that's an issue on for Elin's path as well and It becomes less of an issue for the queen after you return from the west as the queen actually gets into the relationship. I don't really think I dislike any of them although I find Aurora extremely dull especially when compared to Isis. But honestly to me it just sounds like you need to try the love route for the queen rather than the lust route. The scenes aren't as good but Elis is far less pushy and Sera is more recipical. In the lost route even later it's basically just a thing because the Queen is also horny. Ophelia's scenes are helped because she's not a total idiot like a lot of the little sister type characters in these games are and the fact that outside of the first few scenes Ophelia ends up being the one initiating things

 

[Dessolos]

I don't really agree with ophelia's scenes being creepy and while Elis needs to learn some boundries I feel like that's an issue on for Elin's path as well and It becomes less of an issue for the queen after you return from the west as the queen actually gets into the relationship. I don't really think I dislike any of them although I find Aurora extremely dull. But honestly to me it just sounds like you need to try the love route for the queen rather than the lust route. The scenes aren't as good but Elis is far less pushy and Sera is more recipical. In the lost route even later it's basically just a thing because the Queen is also horny. Ophelia's scenes are helped because she's not a total idiot like a lot of the little sister type characters in these games are and the fact that outside of the first few scenes Ophelia ends up being the one initiating things

Well I did say ophelia was less creepy depending on the scene ( only some where for me) . Like the spanking scene was a bit to far to me in the creep factor but also wasn't that bad either unlike the Queen for me. Yeah the Queen love path is my main path for her on the content saves I only doing the super creepy stuff on my asshole and cruel saves. I basically got 3 Main saves , 3 Manslut saves , 3 Asshole ones ( lust and creepy options ) and 3 Cruel ones ( these are where I do stuff like kill people , and other content I don't want to do on my other saves)

but good to hear Queen's path gets better cause up to this point I don't like the Queen path and pretty sure I wasn't picking any lust options unless I messed up somewhere lol. Only playing 6 of my 12 saves for now. Tho even if it gets better I doubt I will still like her a person compared to other LI , I find her a bit unlikeable for certain things she has done even tho Cass has done some bad things too. The Queen / Mother has just rubbed me the wrong way more than Cass.

 

[storm1051787]

Well I did say ophelia was less creepy depending on the scene ( only some where for me) . Like the spanking scene was a bit to far to me in the creep factor but not as bad as the Queen for me. Yeah the Queen love path is my main path for her on the content saves I only doing the super creepy stuff on my asshole and cruel saves. I basically got 3 Main saves , 3 Manslut saves , 3 Asshole ones ( lust and creepy options and 3 Cruel ones ( these are where I do stuff like kill people , and other content I don't want to do on my other saves)

but good to hear Queen's path gets better cause up to this point I don't like the Queen path and pretty sure I wasn't picking any lust options unless I messed up somewhere lol. Only playing 6 of my 12 saves for now. Tho even if it gets better I doubt I will I still like her a person compared to other LI , I find her a bit unlikeable for certain things she has done even tho Cass has done some bad things too. The Queen / Mother has just rubbed me the wrong way more than Cass.

What about the queen rubbed you the wrong way? I thought she was fine, the only thing I dislike about the Queen is that I think she treats Cass unfairly other than that she just feels like an older Elin to me. I don't really bother having that many saves. I only really bother with my two warrior saves(one on green and one on red with Isis) which are both on the Queen's lust routes my bookworm save use just to see all the alternative stuff I missed I haven't killed any characters just for the sake of it though.

 

[Dessolos]

What about the queen rubbed you the wrong way? I thought she was fine, the only thing I dislike about the Queen is that I think she treats Cass unfairly other than that she just feels like an older Elin to me. I don't really bother having that many saves. I only really bother with my two warrior saves(one on green and one on red with Isis) which are both on the Queen's lust routes my bookworm save use just to see all the alternative stuff I missed I haven't killed any characters just for the sake of it though.

I disliked how she treats Cass and I felt her disliked towards Cass even rubbed onto Elin too. Also How she spied on the MC, also really disliked her buying the MC a whore. Which to me made my trust in her go down even more than before. Especially when Ahara something on the lines she is technically the Queen's and just does as she is ordered. I forget the exact dialogue but it gave me the impression the whore was another way for her to spy even if there was another reason for her to buy her the whore. I just get the feeling she is hiding something especially how someone told the MC she used to have secret meetings with elves.

Now I don't think her spying or secrets is exactly bad like she is gonna use it against the MC or something. But at the same time it makes me not trust her.

 

[storm1051787]

I disliked how she treats Cass and I felt her disliked towards Cass even rubbed onto Elin too. Also How she spied on the MC, also really disliked her buying the MC a whore. Which to me made my trust in her go down even more than before. Especially when Ahara something on the lines she is technically the Queen's and just does as she is ordered. I forget the exact dialogue but it gave me the impression the whore was another way for her to spy even if there was another reason for her to buy her the whore. I just get the feeling she is hiding something especially how someone told the MC she used to have secret meetings with elves.

Now I don't think her spying or secrets is exactly bad like she is gonna use it against the MC or something. But at the same time it makes me not trust her.

All Ahara says is that the Queen is the one paying the bill and that she'll stop paying for her once Elis marries Isis/Aurora so she tries to convince Elis to pay for her. I don't think she was ever spying on Elis it was just something the Queen did in attempt to stop Elis's advances towards her. If you're distrustful of the Queen you really shouldn't be after the last chapter. They made it clear that Elis is her primary interest and she'll support anything Elis does even if he ends favoring the humans over the elves.

 

[Filipis]

I disliked how she treats Cass and I felt her disliked towards Cass even rubbed onto Elin too. Also How she spied on the MC, also really disliked her buying the MC a whore. Which to me made my trust in her go down even more than before. Especially when Ahara something on the lines she is technically the Queen's and just does as she is ordered. I forget the exact dialogue but it gave me the impression the whore was another way for her to spy even if there was another reason for her to buy her the whore. I just get the feeling she is hiding something especially how someone told the MC she used to have secret meetings with elves.

Now I don't think her spying or secrets is exactly bad like she is gonna use it against the MC or something. But at the same time it makes me not trust her.

You have to put yourself in Seraphina's shoes, though: Elis starts showing sexual interest in her, so she immediately figures out a way to help him deal with those desires without producing bastards like so many kings and lords are known for.

The whore (which wasn't your average prostitute bought off the streets, mind you - Ahara is essentially a high-end escort) is there to ensure his time as king isn't spent trying to settle disputes between his bastards.

Yes, she spied on MC, but so far, it genuinely appears to have been out of concern for his well-being - her son was taken from her as a child, mind you. Any mother, let alone a Queen with access to plenty of resources would try to keep tabs on her own child.

Her only fault is that she treated Cassandra like dirt (the same fault that made Catelyn Stark a compelling character). We don't know for sure if this was because she knew she was the daughter of the real Regis or not, but her not liking her husband's daughter from a previous marriage is understandable - even if her behavior was too cruel.

 

[Dessolos]

You have to put yourself in Seraphina's shoes, though: Elis starts showing sexual interest in her, so she immediately figures out a way to help him deal with those desires without producing bastards like so many kings and lords are known for.

The whore (which wasn't your average prostitute bought off the streets, mind you - Ahara is essentially a high-end escort) is there to ensure his time as king isn't spent trying to settle disputes between his bastards.

Yes, she spied on MC, but so far, it genuinely appears to have been out of concern for his well-being - her son was taken from her as a child, mind you. Any mother, let alone a Queen with access to plenty of resources would try to keep tabs on her own child.

Her only fault is that she treated Cassandra like dirt (the same fault that made Catelyn Stark a compelling character). We don't know for sure if this was because she knew she was the daughter of the real Regis or not, but her not liking her husband's daughter from a previous marriage is understandable - even if her behavior was too cruel.

haha true from that pov she isn't that bad but at the same time usually when I decide if I like someone or not I just find it easier to use my feeling and not really think about their pov to often unless they do something fucked up then I go okay why would they do this etc etc. Plus I been treating this game more or less like game of thrones so I was seeing more red flags than what was there with her probably.

 

[Filipis]

haha true from that pov she isn't that bad but at the same time usually when I decide if I like someone or not I just find it easier to use my feeling and not really think about their pov to often unless they do something fucked up then I go okay why would they do this etc etc. Plus I been treating this game more or less like game of thrones so I was seeing more red flags than what was there with her probably.

I mean, the basis of empathy is being able to see the world from someone else's eyes. To understand Seraphina's character, you have to put yourself in the shoes of a parent at the very least - especially a mother.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

While Elis does have to start some of the scenes with Sera. She's just as guilty as him earlier on. She intentionally teases him about if he jerked off or not. This is after she caught him thinking lewd thoughts while she was bent over. She then deep throats a banana to get a reaction out of him. Before she also sits on him while the both of them are naked in the pool without him even asking her. Allowing him to grope her tits a bit before she leaves. So I wouldn't say it's entirely Elis fault. Sera clearly welcomed and participated in the debauchery until she realized how far she was going.

And the thing is. She admits to this during their lust scene in the rain later. She admits to teasing him when he first came back to the castle during her dirty talk. That she wanted to get a reaction out of him. So really, Sera was already into Elis before Elis even did anything. And this goes for both routes earlier since the very start to Sera path involves Elis fantasizing about her while she bends over. Something she did intentionally to get him interested, basically.

Yes, Elis can be aggressive in his pursuit of her but it's not like Sera was actually against it. Except maybe the post coup scenes. I think Elis went a bit too far for Sera liking there. Since she does genuinely get pissed.

 

[Filipis]

While Elis does have to start some of the scenes with Sera. She's just as guilty as him earlier on. She intentionally teases him about if he jerked off or not. This is after she caught him thinking lewd thoughts while she was bent over. She then deep throats a banana to get a reaction out of him. Before she also sits on him while the both of them are naked in the pool without him even asking her. Allowing him to grope her tits a bit before she leaves. So I wouldn't say it's entirely Elis fault. Sera clearly welcomed and participated in the debauchery until she realized how far she was going.

And the thing is. She admits to this during their lust scene in the rain later. She admits to teasing him when he first came back to the castle during her dirty talk. That she wanted to get a reaction out of him. So really, Sera was already into Elis before Elis even did anything. And this goes for both routes earlier since the very start to Sera path involves Elis fantasizing about her while she bends over. Something she did intentionally to get him interested, basically.

Yes, Elis can be aggressive in his pursuit of her but it's not like Sera was actually against it. Except maybe the post coup scenes. I think Elis went a bit too far for Sera liking there. Since she does genuinely get pissed.

Yeah, I totally forgot about that. She herself admits to have started off seeing Elis as a man first, a son second - all because of the exile.