VN Ren'Py Imperial Chronicles [v0.11] [Lazy Monkey]

[DrakoGhoul]

Even we saw the future before it doesn't mean it is not fake or fixed by the reflection, it can be changed otherwise the three doom future caused by cass, elin and lia will not be preventable.
Plus, the vision from the white blood make it clear that isis may not as tamed as we think, she still get his natural self below the surface.

It was the future shown from two different entities. The lady in the forest and Mirta. We even get to see Elin and Elis future daughter too, who interacts with us. The White blood is even less reliable, if we're going to talk visions and I don't even know why anyone would treat one vague vision superior than the clearer ones. Especially when two of them showed the future and the other was a vague sign of Isis being a snake.

Not to mention, We got confirmation this update that the visions were true. Alaina did visit Cass in prison, or tried to instigate with Conrad. Sybilla presumably did kill Regis like the vision showed. With Alaina confirming that herself and she has no idea we knew of those events already. So if two of those vision were correct, why would the assumption be that the future one is the fake one? And while yes the future can be changed, why is the base assumption that it will automatically be the bad end with Isis and not the one from the vision? If the good one is possible, then why all the paranoia about a potential bad one coming soon? The only way one would get that would be to railroad themselves down that path by pushing Isis to do it.

I'm going to be brutally honest, I think some of you want Isis to be a dead end for players and want her to kill Elis. It's not even a fear of her doing these things. More like some of you hope it happens. For reasons I can't understand.

Just like in the case with Lia, first creampie doesn't mean she gets pregnant (or Lia would've been shown pregnant in 1.0, after a few months have passed since she had sex with Elis) right away.

And you're confusing scenes being extended vs different.

That said, I still hold firm that this preview shows a scene with Vall that you didn't impregnate. Whether or not there will be a preggo-variation is up to LM himself, but once again - I doubt he will go to that length. Vall simply isn't an important character nor has any lore implication for the story.

Her not being an important character is irrelevant. Especially when I said Val is not an important character. It more had to do with Alaina being the reason she's there and not even herself. Which is why I said there would be no scene at all if Alaina is banished. But I'm already over this discussion as it's getting long winded, unnecessarily. I said what I had to say in enough detail, so we'll see when it comes.

 

[New Kid]

So the only right move to make at the end of the update is to side with Alaina in front of the court but secretly ally with Conrad afterwards right? Alaina will keep trying to manipulate us while thinking she is still in control, meanwhile her schemes will be unraveled both by her own false sense of security and Conrad's "unofficial" investigation. And we get more scenes with Val that way too probably, while if we force her hand it's possible that all elves will just nope the fuck out of the kingdom to regroup at the forests.

 

[FalconLover420]

WARRIOR, MAGE or BOOKWORM ?
AURORA or ISIS ?
WHITE, GREEN or RED Coronation ? (related to someone fate, Forgive - Slave - Death1 or Death 2)
THE WEST LORDS or THE YOUNG REPUBLICS or NEUTRAL ?
CONRAD or ALAINA ?

SERAPHINA's LOVE or CORRUPTION?
ELIN's LOVE or DOMINATION?
CASSANDRA's EQUAL, PUPPET or OUT or SLAVE ?

PRISCILA's IN or OUT ?

I usually hate branching games, but special exclusion for this one, I love this game branching, man.

What your favorite combination ?

For me, there's 2.
1. Bookworm - Aurora - White C - Neutral - Alaina
2. Warrior - Isis - Red C (Forgive) - Young Republic - Conrad

I don't like the feeling of Green Coronation. The relation become Superior and Subordinate. Every interaction become forced and not out of honesty.

So I got five warriors, one for cass, elin, the queen, isis and aurora, one green and all white with forgive. The republics and conrad with pretending to trust alaina. All seraphina and elin love with the cass run being equal inside ofc.

Then one scholar with aurora with white and republics, seraphina and elin love, forgive and pricilla in

ALSO would like to add, Lia is insatiable LOL gonna have elis looking like:

Spoiler: Elis after being drained by Lia

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[GibboBtw]

So the only right move to make at the end of the update is to side with Alaina in front of the court but secretly ally with Conrad afterwards right? Alaina will keep trying to manipulate us while thinking she is still in control, meanwhile her schemes will be unraveled both by her own false sense of security and Conrad's "unofficial" investigation. And we get more scenes with Val that way too probably, while if we force her hand it's possible that all elves will just nope the fuck out of the kingdom to regroup at the forests.

I don't think there is a "right" move necessarily, maybe one that's more optimal sure. But, I hate schemers and I hate elves...so I'm calling her ass out, as I'm not gonna pretend to trust her when I really don't.

Schemers and plotters must be shot, and she's like the patron saint of them. Also if it does just end up making them all flee and regroup at their forests or whatever.

I see that as an absolute win easier to murder them all, if they're all congregated and not spread about

 

[DrakoGhoul]

So the only right move to make at the end of the update is to side with Alaina in front of the court but secretly ally with Conrad afterwards right? Alaina will keep trying to manipulate us while thinking she is still in control, meanwhile her schemes will be unraveled both by her own false sense of security and Conrad's "unofficial" investigation. And we get more scenes with Val that way too probably, while if we force her hand it's possible that all elves will just nope the fuck out of the kingdom to regroup at the forests.

I wouldn't say right move, but that's the one I chose on my main playthrough. I don't trust Alaina or Conrad. So it's best to let them play their game while they think I'm on their side. Just to see who slips up the most. Alaina is currently leading there. But I also want to see what Conrad is truly up to.

 

[indio68]

why it says . you played the 0,9 version,at the end when i downloaded the 1,0version? and i can't continue after Conrad revelation..

 

[indio68]

It saying it's the 0.9 is just a typo. And the current update ends after the conrad revelation

ah ok thanks bro

 

[indio68]

i didn't get what all the reflection things are to be honest....the Cat in the west said that we fucked our twin sister's bad side or bad reflection...and that she lied to MC...so which one is true...we always have interacted with a reflection of our twin or only that time in the west when we finally made love with her?? i don't understand

 

[Filipis]

i didn't get what all the reflection things are to be honest....the Cat in the west said that we fucked our twin sister's bad side or bad reflection...and that she lied to MC...so which one is true...we always have interacted with a reflection of our twin or only that time in the west when we finally made love with her?? i don't understand

The entity which the cat represents believes the child produced from the incestuous union of Elin and Elis will spell doom for the world. That’s why he warns of your mistake in having sex with Elin (and consequently impregnating her). It believes one of the twins is a “bad seed” or the “reflection” of the real twin - hence why those twins having a child together would mean the reflection and reality become one, marking disaster.

Meanwhile, Red Emperor is like that one supportive uncle: he’s glad you two finally did it.

 

[GarudoSCHE]

The entity which the cat represents believes the child produced from the incestuous union of Elin and Elis will spell doom for the world. That’s why he warns of your mistake in having sex with Elin (and consequently impregnating her). It believes one of the twins is a “bad seed” or the “reflection” of the real twin - hence why those twins having a child together would mean the reflection and reality become one, marking disaster.

Meanwhile, Red Emperor is like that one supportive uncle: he’s glad you two finally did it.

The Red Emperor is the right man. He'll get my vote

 

[GibboBtw]

The Red Emperor is the right man. He'll get my vote

All I'm saying is how can The Red Emperor be a bad guy, when he's the one who's promoting family love??

My GOAT

 

[New Kid]

I don't think there is a "right" move necessarily, maybe one that's more optimal sure. But, I hate schemers and I hate elves...so I'm calling her ass out, as I'm not gonna pretend to trust her when I really don't.

Schemers and plotters must be shot, and she's like the patron saint of them. Also if it does just end up making them all flee and regroup at their forests or whatever.

I see that as an absolute win easier to murder them all, if they're all congregated and not spread about

Eh, fighting people who use guerilla tactics and have fucking magic at their disposal in an open conflict seems like a bad time, even if we were sure to win due to numbers and equipment... would rather take down their schemes and leadership and break their spirit so they don't try to pull shit like this again, or at least wait a few decades until the MC is old and frail so the cycle can start again hahaha.

I wouldn't say right move, but that's the one I chose on my main playthrough. I don't trust Alaina or Conrad. So it's best to let them play their game while they think I'm on their side. Just to see who slips up the most. Alaina is currently leading there. But I also want to see what Conrad is truly up to.

If we consider the vision of the present that the Reflection/Moon lady showed us when Cass is out of the picture, Conrad has at the very least proved loyal to the golden order as he rejected Alaina's manipulation attempts, and he knows about the king's true condition too, so I don't see any reason to suspect him at this point. I mean, unless he knows that some godly entity is keeping tabs on everyone and can show the MC what is happening whenever she feels like doing so, then we will be dealing with a 4d chess player here... but it seems too much of a stretch.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

If we consider the vision of the present that the Reflection/Moon lady showed us when Cass is out of the picture, Conrad has at the very least proved loyal to the golden order as he rejected Alaina's manipulation attempts, and he knows about the king's true condition too, so I don't see any reason to suspect him at this point. I mean, unless he knows that some godly entity is keeping tabs on everyone and can show the MC what is happening whenever she feels like doing so, then we will be dealing with a 4d chess player here... but it seems too much of a stretch.

No? It doesn't need to be some unlikely what if scenario that's made up out of the blue. My reason for being suspicious of him is because he became way too competent and resourceful when this Alaina thing happened. Something he didn't show during Cass coup. With even his brother doubting he would be good enough to have a seat on the council prior to said event. This is even over Elis southern friend. Who got the seat.

That might not be suspicious at all for you guys, but I'm not going to ignore it and only focus on Alaina. Until I know for sure what Conrad is planning, he gets no passes from me. Just like Cass didn't earlier on. You don't have to agree and can ignore him, if you want. I'm not, though. So yes, I'm going to use Alaina freedom to see what Conrad is up to.

 

[Zakharova]

No? It doesn't need to be some unlikely what if scenario that's made up out of the blue. My reason for being suspicious of him is because he became way too competent and resourceful when this Alaina thing happened. Something he didn't show during Cass coup. With even his brother doubting he would be good enough to have a seat on the council prior to said event. This is even over Elis southern friend. Who got the seat.

That might not be suspicious at all for you guys, but I'm not going to ignore it and only focus on Alaina. Until I know for sure what Conrad is planning, he gets no passes from me. Just like Cass didn't earlier on. You don't have to agree and can ignore him, if you want. I'm not, though. So yes, I'm going to use Alaina freedom to see what Conrad is up to.

You raised a great point.

This is something I hadn't stopped to think about until now. My only path is the green path (usually, in games with many variants, I tend to do a single canonical playthrough), and even though Cass and the MC's coup d'état was common knowledge among nobles and politicians, why didn't Conrad step up or join rebel factions opposing the usurpation of power?

I believe this is a positive aspect of Lazy Monkey's writing: many characters operate in a rather gray area of morality, and even those who think they're in control are controlled by someone above them. No one appears to be what they are, and those who appear to be ethical role models may hide more mundane interests.

 

[indio68]

The entity which the cat represents believes the child produced from the incestuous union of Elin and Elis will spell doom for the world. That’s why he warns of your mistake in having sex with Elin (and consequently impregnating her). It believes one of the twins is a “bad seed” or the “reflection” of the real twin - hence why those twins having a child together would mean the reflection and reality become one, marking disaster.

Meanwhile, Red Emperor is like that one supportive uncle: he’s glad you two finally did it.

uhm...i don't get it this way....seems as there are doppleganger...like what happened to the king...it's so confusing...i want support the elves and i really don't like red emperor at all..so i hope the union and the cats are wrong

 

[Filipis]

uhm...i don't get it this way....seems as there are doppleganger...like what happened to the king...it's so confusing...i want support the elves and i really don't like red emperor at all..so i hope the union and the cats are wrong

Looks like elves consider twins to be "cursed" in some way - that they were meant to be one person, but for whatever reason get split into two while in the womb. Or not - since they mention that one twin is a 'reflection', the other 'real'. Whatever they believe, it's clear they consider their child to be a herald of the end times, as twins are not supposed to have children between themselves. Somehow, the fruit of joining the reflection & reality is cataclysmic - note how no such warnings have been made for Elis impregnating Ophelia, since she is not his twin sister.

 

[New Kid]

No? It doesn't need to be some unlikely what if scenario that's made up out of the blue. My reason for being suspicious of him is because he became way too competent and resourceful when this Alaina thing happened. Something he didn't show during Cass coup. With even his brother doubting he would be good enough to have a seat on the council prior to said event. This is even over Elis southern friend. Who got the seat.

That might not be suspicious at all for you guys, but I'm not going to ignore it and only focus on Alaina. Until I know for sure what Conrad is planning, he gets no passes from me. Just like Cass didn't earlier on. You don't have to agree and can ignore him, if you want. I'm not, though. So yes, I'm going to use Alaina freedom to see what Conrad is up to.

Hmmm, I understand your point, but I don't see much of a big deal here, he has a bone to pick with the elves, hounding them indiscriminately doesn't take much skill or finesse, and he seems happy when we agree to let him keep rampaging against the elves so it isn't even a ploy to make Alaina lower her guard. Maybe the Cass' coup was a wake up call for him, he noticed that he was being too complacent and now wants to make up for it, and he wasn't involved in the coup or else Cass would have ratted him out along with Alaina in that conversation you have in her "fixing" route. About the king not wanting Conrad on the council, it's because he was not a soldier and doesn't have military experience, he is a knight defender, but even then if you suggest it he let's Conrad get the position anyway so it's not like the king is adamant about it or has some other omnious reason for not wanting him in the council.

 

[FalconLover420]

The entity which the cat represents believes the child produced from the incestuous union of Elin and Elis will spell doom for the world. That’s why he warns of your mistake in having sex with Elin (and consequently impregnating her). It believes one of the twins is a “bad seed” or the “reflection” of the real twin - hence why those twins having a child together would mean the reflection and reality become one, marking disaster.

Meanwhile, Red Emperor is like that one supportive uncle: he’s glad you two finally did it.

I love the red emperor, but I think the Cat and the elven goddess are trying to prevent the birth of elin and elis child. She blocked the effects of the both deities and is shown to have your back in the brief moment.

 

[ImSenjou]

The Love Path with the queen is so bad that I couldn't help it and replayed it without her, and it was by far my best playthrough. (Lust Path isn't worth it either.)

My playthrough was basically Bookworm > Aurora > White > Lords.
Without any sexual/romantic relationships with Seraphina, Lia, or Cassandra, I intended to avoid Elin as well, but I failed.

I also avoided many sex scenes that seemed unimportant; I don't want the elves capturing every woman I sleep with.
I went after Sona because Bookworm is incapable of defending himself, and Josephine, but simply because I loved her, but I don't know if I'll see her again, I helped kill her husband, and the elves will probably capture her, since she's most likely pregnant with my child. (But what I'd really like is for her to come after me in the capital and agree to be my lover; after all, she's already accepted that she's a "bad girl.")

The reason I chose Bookworm was, first, because Magic Weaver, which seemed more interesting, was abandoned by LM; second, all my other gameplay was with the Warrior perk; and third, I was thinking that I'll have to deal with elves soon, and I'll need to understand what they're saying to avoid being tricked.

Now I'll try to do a similar playthrough, but choosing Warrior and Isis.

 

[Filipis]

The Love Path with the queen is so bad that I couldn't help it and replayed it without her, and it was by far my best playthrough. (Lust Path isn't worth it either.)

My playthrough was basically Bookworm > Aurora > White > Lords.
Without any sexual/romantic relationships with Seraphina, Lia, or Cassandra, I intended to avoid Elin as well, but I failed.

I also avoided many sex scenes that seemed unimportant; I don't want the elves capturing every woman I sleep with.
I went after Sona because Bookworm is incapable of defending himself, and Josephine, but simply because I loved her, but I don't know if I'll see her again, I helped kill her husband, and the elves will probably capture her, since she's most likely pregnant with my child. (But what I'd really like is for her to come after me in the capital and agree to be my lover; after all, she's already accepted that she's a "bad girl.")

The reason I chose Bookworm was, first, because Magic Weaver, which seemed more interesting, was abandoned by LM; second, all my other gameplay was with the Warrior perk; and third, I was thinking that I'll have to deal with elves soon, and I'll need to understand what they're saying to avoid being tricked.

Now I'll try to do a similar playthrough, but choosing Warrior and Isis.

Interesting perspective. One that I agree with, for the most part. You are playing a very mature Elis, and I concur that Bookworm Elis is the most capable version in the long run.

Dunno why you would avoid Seraphina, as her Lust route is extremely well done and has been consistent from the start (unlike the Love route which should just be deleted if 1.1 doesn't fix it), but I respect the dedication.