Filipis

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i didn't get what all the reflection things are to be honest....the Cat in the west said that we fucked our twin sister's bad side or bad reflection...and that she lied to MC...so which one is true...we always have interacted with a reflection of our twin or only that time in the west when we finally made love with her?? i don't understand
The entity which the cat represents believes the child produced from the incestuous union of Elin and Elis will spell doom for the world. That’s why he warns of your mistake in having sex with Elin (and consequently impregnating her). It believes one of the twins is a “bad seed” or the “reflection” of the real twin - hence why those twins having a child together would mean the reflection and reality become one, marking disaster.

Meanwhile, Red Emperor is like that one supportive uncle: he’s glad you two finally did it.
 

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The entity which the cat represents believes the child produced from the incestuous union of Elin and Elis will spell doom for the world. That’s why he warns of your mistake in having sex with Elin (and consequently impregnating her). It believes one of the twins is a “bad seed” or the “reflection” of the real twin - hence why those twins having a child together would mean the reflection and reality become one, marking disaster.

Meanwhile, Red Emperor is like that one supportive uncle: he’s glad you two finally did it.
The Red Emperor is the right man. He'll get my vote
 

New Kid

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I don't think there is a "right" move necessarily, maybe one that's more optimal sure. But, I hate schemers and I hate elves...so I'm calling her ass out, as I'm not gonna pretend to trust her when I really don't.

Schemers and plotters must be shot, and she's like the patron saint of them. Also if it does just end up making them all flee and regroup at their forests or whatever.

I see that as an absolute win :love: easier to murder them all, if they're all congregated and not spread about (y):ROFLMAO:
Eh, fighting people who use guerilla tactics and have fucking magic at their disposal in an open conflict seems like a bad time, even if we were sure to win due to numbers and equipment... would rather take down their schemes and leadership and break their spirit so they don't try to pull shit like this again, or at least wait a few decades until the MC is old and frail so the cycle can start again hahaha.


I wouldn't say right move, but that's the one I chose on my main playthrough. I don't trust Alaina or Conrad. So it's best to let them play their game while they think I'm on their side. Just to see who slips up the most. Alaina is currently leading there. But I also want to see what Conrad is truly up to.
If we consider the vision of the present that the Reflection/Moon lady showed us when Cass is out of the picture, Conrad has at the very least proved loyal to the golden order as he rejected Alaina's manipulation attempts, and he knows about the king's true condition too, so I don't see any reason to suspect him at this point. I mean, unless he knows that some godly entity is keeping tabs on everyone and can show the MC what is happening whenever she feels like doing so, then we will be dealing with a 4d chess player here... but it seems too much of a stretch.
 

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If we consider the vision of the present that the Reflection/Moon lady showed us when Cass is out of the picture, Conrad has at the very least proved loyal to the golden order as he rejected Alaina's manipulation attempts, and he knows about the king's true condition too, so I don't see any reason to suspect him at this point. I mean, unless he knows that some godly entity is keeping tabs on everyone and can show the MC what is happening whenever she feels like doing so, then we will be dealing with a 4d chess player here... but it seems too much of a stretch.
No? It doesn't need to be some unlikely what if scenario that's made up out of the blue. My reason for being suspicious of him is because he became way too competent and resourceful when this Alaina thing happened. Something he didn't show during Cass coup. With even his brother doubting he would be good enough to have a seat on the council prior to said event. This is even over Elis southern friend. Who got the seat.

That might not be suspicious at all for you guys, but I'm not going to ignore it and only focus on Alaina. Until I know for sure what Conrad is planning, he gets no passes from me. Just like Cass didn't earlier on. You don't have to agree and can ignore him, if you want. I'm not, though. So yes, I'm going to use Alaina freedom to see what Conrad is up to.
 

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No? It doesn't need to be some unlikely what if scenario that's made up out of the blue. My reason for being suspicious of him is because he became way too competent and resourceful when this Alaina thing happened. Something he didn't show during Cass coup. With even his brother doubting he would be good enough to have a seat on the council prior to said event. This is even over Elis southern friend. Who got the seat.

That might not be suspicious at all for you guys, but I'm not going to ignore it and only focus on Alaina. Until I know for sure what Conrad is planning, he gets no passes from me. Just like Cass didn't earlier on. You don't have to agree and can ignore him, if you want. I'm not, though. So yes, I'm going to use Alaina freedom to see what Conrad is up to.
You raised a great point.

This is something I hadn't stopped to think about until now. My only path is the green path (usually, in games with many variants, I tend to do a single canonical playthrough), and even though Cass and the MC's coup d'état was common knowledge among nobles and politicians, why didn't Conrad step up or join rebel factions opposing the usurpation of power?

I believe this is a positive aspect of Lazy Monkey's writing: many characters operate in a rather gray area of morality, and even those who think they're in control are controlled by someone above them. No one appears to be what they are, and those who appear to be ethical role models may hide more mundane interests.
 

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The entity which the cat represents believes the child produced from the incestuous union of Elin and Elis will spell doom for the world. That’s why he warns of your mistake in having sex with Elin (and consequently impregnating her). It believes one of the twins is a “bad seed” or the “reflection” of the real twin - hence why those twins having a child together would mean the reflection and reality become one, marking disaster.

Meanwhile, Red Emperor is like that one supportive uncle: he’s glad you two finally did it.
uhm...i don't get it this way....seems as there are doppleganger...like what happened to the king...it's so confusing...i want support the elves and i really don't like red emperor at all..so i hope the union and the cats are wrong
 

Filipis

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uhm...i don't get it this way....seems as there are doppleganger...like what happened to the king...it's so confusing...i want support the elves and i really don't like red emperor at all..so i hope the union and the cats are wrong
Looks like elves consider twins to be "cursed" in some way - that they were meant to be one person, but for whatever reason get split into two while in the womb. Or not - since they mention that one twin is a 'reflection', the other 'real'. Whatever they believe, it's clear they consider their child to be a herald of the end times, as twins are not supposed to have children between themselves. Somehow, the fruit of joining the reflection & reality is cataclysmic - note how no such warnings have been made for Elis impregnating Ophelia, since she is not his twin sister.
 

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No? It doesn't need to be some unlikely what if scenario that's made up out of the blue. My reason for being suspicious of him is because he became way too competent and resourceful when this Alaina thing happened. Something he didn't show during Cass coup. With even his brother doubting he would be good enough to have a seat on the council prior to said event. This is even over Elis southern friend. Who got the seat.

That might not be suspicious at all for you guys, but I'm not going to ignore it and only focus on Alaina. Until I know for sure what Conrad is planning, he gets no passes from me. Just like Cass didn't earlier on. You don't have to agree and can ignore him, if you want. I'm not, though. So yes, I'm going to use Alaina freedom to see what Conrad is up to.
Hmmm, I understand your point, but I don't see much of a big deal here, he has a bone to pick with the elves, hounding them indiscriminately doesn't take much skill or finesse, and he seems happy when we agree to let him keep rampaging against the elves so it isn't even a ploy to make Alaina lower her guard. Maybe the Cass' coup was a wake up call for him, he noticed that he was being too complacent and now wants to make up for it, and he wasn't involved in the coup or else Cass would have ratted him out along with Alaina in that conversation you have in her "fixing" route. About the king not wanting Conrad on the council, it's because he was not a soldier and doesn't have military experience, he is a knight defender, but even then if you suggest it he let's Conrad get the position anyway so it's not like the king is adamant about it or has some other omnious reason for not wanting him in the council.
 

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The entity which the cat represents believes the child produced from the incestuous union of Elin and Elis will spell doom for the world. That’s why he warns of your mistake in having sex with Elin (and consequently impregnating her). It believes one of the twins is a “bad seed” or the “reflection” of the real twin - hence why those twins having a child together would mean the reflection and reality become one, marking disaster.

Meanwhile, Red Emperor is like that one supportive uncle: he’s glad you two finally did it.
I love the red emperor, but I think the Cat and the elven goddess are trying to prevent the birth of elin and elis child. She blocked the effects of the both deities and is shown to have your back in the brief moment.
 

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The Love Path with the queen is so bad that I couldn't help it and replayed it without her, and it was by far my best playthrough. (Lust Path isn't worth it either.)

My playthrough was basically Bookworm > Aurora > White > Lords.
Without any sexual/romantic relationships with Seraphina, Lia, or Cassandra, I intended to avoid Elin as well, but I failed.

I also avoided many sex scenes that seemed unimportant; I don't want the elves capturing every woman I sleep with.
I went after Sona because Bookworm is incapable of defending himself, and Josephine, but simply because I loved her, but I don't know if I'll see her again, I helped kill her husband, and the elves will probably capture her, since she's most likely pregnant with my child. (But what I'd really like is for her to come after me in the capital and agree to be my lover; after all, she's already accepted that she's a "bad girl.")

The reason I chose Bookworm was, first, because Magic Weaver, which seemed more interesting, was abandoned by LM; second, all my other gameplay was with the Warrior perk; and third, I was thinking that I'll have to deal with elves soon, and I'll need to understand what they're saying to avoid being tricked.

Now I'll try to do a similar playthrough, but choosing Warrior and Isis.
 

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The Love Path with the queen is so bad that I couldn't help it and replayed it without her, and it was by far my best playthrough. (Lust Path isn't worth it either.)

My playthrough was basically Bookworm > Aurora > White > Lords.
Without any sexual/romantic relationships with Seraphina, Lia, or Cassandra, I intended to avoid Elin as well, but I failed.

I also avoided many sex scenes that seemed unimportant; I don't want the elves capturing every woman I sleep with.
I went after Sona because Bookworm is incapable of defending himself, and Josephine, but simply because I loved her, but I don't know if I'll see her again, I helped kill her husband, and the elves will probably capture her, since she's most likely pregnant with my child. (But what I'd really like is for her to come after me in the capital and agree to be my lover; after all, she's already accepted that she's a "bad girl.")

The reason I chose Bookworm was, first, because Magic Weaver, which seemed more interesting, was abandoned by LM; second, all my other gameplay was with the Warrior perk; and third, I was thinking that I'll have to deal with elves soon, and I'll need to understand what they're saying to avoid being tricked.

Now I'll try to do a similar playthrough, but choosing Warrior and Isis.
Interesting perspective. One that I agree with, for the most part. You are playing a very mature Elis, and I concur that Bookworm Elis is the most capable version in the long run.

Dunno why you would avoid Seraphina, as her Lust route is extremely well done and has been consistent from the start (unlike the Love route which should just be deleted if 1.1 doesn't fix it), but I respect the dedication.
 

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Eh, fighting people who use guerilla tactics and have fucking magic at their disposal in an open conflict seems like a bad time, even if we were sure to win due to numbers and equipment... would rather take down their schemes and leadership and break their spirit so they don't try to pull shit like this again, or at least wait a few decades until the MC is old and frail so the cycle can start again hahaha.
Nah, it's fine. We'd WIN, we have plot armour for days :ROFLMAO:

But like I said, calling her out and getting her to flee, is for sure probably NOT the most optimal play. But It's the play that would satisfy me the most. I'd rather just get it over with and establish we are NOT friends, I do NOT trust you. And I would very much like to kill you to end this annoying ass scheming. Open hostility is the way! :ROFLMAO:

The Love Path with the queen is so bad that I couldn't help it and replayed it without her, and it was by far my best playthrough. (Lust Path isn't worth it either.)

My playthrough was basically Bookworm > Aurora > White > Lords.
Without any sexual/romantic relationships with Seraphina, Lia, or Cassandra, I intended to avoid Elin as well, but I failed.

I also avoided many sex scenes that seemed unimportant; I don't want the elves capturing every woman I sleep with.
I went after Sona because Bookworm is incapable of defending himself, and Josephine, but simply because I loved her, but I don't know if I'll see her again, I helped kill her husband, and the elves will probably capture her, since she's most likely pregnant with my child. (But what I'd really like is for her to come after me in the capital and agree to be my lover; after all, she's already accepted that she's a "bad girl.")

The reason I chose Bookworm was, first, because Magic Weaver, which seemed more interesting, was abandoned by LM; second, all my other gameplay was with the Warrior perk; and third, I was thinking that I'll have to deal with elves soon, and I'll need to understand what they're saying to avoid being tricked.

Now I'll try to do a similar playthrough, but choosing Warrior and Isis.
Playing this game, and then avoiding all the incest that you can like The Matrix, is fucking wild...I COULD NEVER :ROFLMAO:
 
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Having an absolute blast with the game, nicely written and solid models, especially the Queen.

I'm at the chapter that has to do with giving a ring to someone and I'd l like to go all in on the Queen (I think I've developed a parasocial relationship to her). Is it possible to make her OTP with the MC? or is she a side character and thus limited to the sisters and two queens from the north and south? I know the game rewards replays but I'd like to now for my first play through, thanks.
 

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Having an absolute blast with the game, nicely written and solid models, especially the Queen.

I'm at the chapter that has to do with giving a ring to someone and I'd l like to go all in on the Queen (I think I've developed a parasocial relationship to her). Is it possible to make her OTP with the MC? or is she a side character and thus limited to the sisters and two queens from the north and south? I know the game rewards replays but I'd like to now for my first play through, thanks.
The Queen is one of the 3 main Love Interests (Cassandra, Elin, and Seraphina/Queen), so yes - you can only romance her if you want. You can avoid Elin, Cass, and Lia entirely, and focus only on the Queen.

She is sure to get a solo ending, if LM's previous game is anything to go by.
 

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Eh, fighting people who use guerilla tactics and have fucking magic at their disposal in an open conflict seems like a bad time, even if we were sure to win due to numbers and equipment... would rather take down their schemes and leadership and break their spirit so they don't try to pull shit like this again, or at least wait a few decades until the MC is old and frail so the cycle can start again hahaha.
FORM SPECIALIST COUNTER-GUERILLA FORCES
BURN THEIR FORESTs
DESECRATE ALL THEIR HISTORIC AND SPIRITUAL SITES
ASSIMILATE THEIR ORPHANS
MIX WITH THEM TO THE POINT OF THEIR FENOTOPICAL EXTINCTION
 
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