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FalconLover420

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I don't think Regis was a weak ruler at all. He was simply dealt a shit hand, because his father was the Red Emperor, and inherited from him an Empire that was collapsing. To salvage the unity and keep the peace, he married an elf woman to show his "progressive" stance (even if he really wasn't).

Now, MC is actually the weaker ruler of the two, as throughout the entire game, his actions were influenced by a third-party since the beginning - which is one of my main grievances with the game; MC essentially being everyone's puppet, and incapable of making some major decisions on his own. It's either Cass or Queen whispering in his ear. But alas, those are my reservations and don't reflect the quality of the writing as is. On that note, it is a little bit ironic that he is so susceptible to outside influence, much like the father he is laughing about.
I hope that we make some decisions that are not influenced by a third party. For example bringing Cass, the Queen, Alaina and others to heel.
 
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sweetsix66

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Game wanted a weak disposable ruler who gets assassinated to make place for MC and you don't feel bad or sorry about it.
Disagree Regis never was a weak ruler. He overthrowed Red Emeperor set up his brother and got the throne despite being second son. Could minimize damage from collapsing empire, ensured long peace, solved elf crisis and tried to forge new alliances. All his actrions as a king were pretty good. As he got infirm and reclusive with aging it's unfortunate but kind of natural.
 

Gicoo

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I don't think Regis was a weak ruler at all.
Disagree Regis never was a weak ruler.
I meant exclusively the period of time he is in the game, not his glorious past. He could be as amazing as ever, by the time MC meets him, he is at deaths doorstep, dispassionate, surrounded by several factions that wants him gone without any true supporters, and ill.
 

Filipis

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I meant exclusively the period of time he is in the game, not his glorious past. He could be as amazing as ever, by the time MC meets him, he is at deaths doorstep, dispassionate, surrounded by several factions that wants him gone without any true supporters, and ill.
Well, that still doesn't qualify him as a weak ruler. He's gotten old, and maybe even paranoid. He failed as a father, but not necessarily as king.
 

Gicoo

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Well, that still doesn't qualify him as a weak ruler. He's gotten old, and maybe even paranoid. He failed as a father, but not necessarily as king.
He is reclusive, the council either disregards him or plans to plot against him. It's spelled out that he can't handle the current politics and became desperate and demented, he rules by resorting to seek seers for signs.

Don't get this debate. He is obviously set up as the current frail old, failing order that inevitable will be replaced (Cass merely sped it up), conveniently by the MC, who just happened to return at the capital at the start of the game. Its a classic setup used in tons of media.

If he was still competent, he would've survived Cass clumsy plot or at the very least it the game would make an effort to tell us how tragic his demise is and how it brings the kingdom to his ruins. Instead, his removal is portrayed as step forward and enables MC to advance.
 

Filipis

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He is reclusive, the council either disregards him or plans to plot against him. It's spelled out that he can't handle the current politics and became desperate and demented, he rules by resorting to seek seers for signs.

Don't get this debate. He is obviously set up as the current frail old, failing order that inevitable will be replaced (Cass merely sped it up), conveniently by the MC, who just happened to return at the capital at the start of the game. Its a classic setup used in tons of media.

If he was still competent, he would've survived Cass clumsy plot or at the very least it the game would make an effort to tell us how tragic his demise is and how it brings the kingdom to his ruins. Instead, his removal is portrayed as step forward and enables MC to advance.
Yes, Regis' final years were controversial, and he was a terrible king during those times.

But it doesn't mean his overall rule was weak. The man managed to keep the Empire from tearing itself apart - that's pretty damn impressive, considering his predecessor.

MC is considered a hope for this kingdom, but keep in mind those calling him the hope are also the ones whispering in his ear and seek to manipulate him while on the throne; they want to entrench themselves deeper into his circle than any seer ever did with Regis (who was discarding them one after another).

MC is in a far worse position than his father, as he is naive and inexperienced at being a ruler; Regis was an experienced diplomat at the very least.
 
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Gicoo

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But it doesn't mean his overall rule was weak.
That's irrelevant. I specified that I was refering to the current time at the start of the game, since that is the only time MC and we the player directly know and in which we interact. Old king doesn't need to be likeable and its very classic writing to make him failable, because we selfinsert as MC and strive to replace him quite quickly. So it would be against the games interest if the old king was overly likeable and competent (at the current time of the game, I seemingly have to specify).
 

burbero

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Literally nothing sayng that ther than a baseless accuastion from you're daughter. Who is only says that because she goes outside a lot. There's no benifit Isis could have from starting a coup.
Actually, a lot of people are worried about ISIS, including Elis. For example, if you get help from Isis to overthrow Cassandra, the southern soldiers will be stationed in the palace, creating pressure and a threat. Elis and her teacher were talking about it. The old man said that you are safe until you have a child, but after that, you have to solve the problem yourself.

What about Elis's vision? Even his daughter suspects him and accuses him directly.

Isis has been putting on an act from the beginning. She wore red at the wedding to gain public support.
 

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Actually, a lot of people are worried about ISIS, including Elis. For example, if you get help from Isis to overthrow Cassandra, the southern soldiers will be stationed in the palace, creating pressure and a threat. Elis and her teacher were talking about it. The old man said that you are safe until you have a child, but after that, you have to solve the problem yourself.

What about Elis's vision? Even his daughter suspects him and accuses him directly.

Isis has been putting on an act from the beginning. She wore red at the wedding to gain public support.

Isis is dangerous, that's for sure, and I'm pretty sure she'll end up enacting her promise to deal with any bastards we're siring. But the truth in the end is that no man (or woman) rules alone. She want power, and exercing it at the side of a reliable and strong husband and emperor is imo good enough for her. She need us for her grasp on power, and even playing the widowed regent it would be extremely hard to keep power.

"Woe to the country that is ruled by a child, and whose princes feast in the morning"
 

Gicoo

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Like everyone else, Isis surely has her own agencies and she tries to push them forward. But MC and everyone he loves won't be harmed by her. Until now, the game has proven that its not willing to be bad towards the MC. Though if MC allows it, everyone can die.
 

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Actually, a lot of people are worried about ISIS, including Elis. For example, if you get help from Isis to overthrow Cassandra, the southern soldiers will be stationed in the palace, creating pressure and a threat. Elis and her teacher were talking about it. The old man said that you are safe until you have a child, but after that, you have to solve the problem yourself.

What about Elis's vision? Even his daughter suspects him and accuses him directly.

Isis has been putting on an act from the beginning. She wore red at the wedding to gain public support.

I mean I literally just mentioned the daughter. She doesn't like her mother and baselessly accusses her of doing something just because she notices that Isis goes to that patio a lot. As for the southern guards around the palace. I really don't see why that you're drawing attention to that. All that's said is that their mom doesn't like it. Isis already said she was going to send them back to the south and Cass's coup is the only reason why she hasn't done so yet. They're literally just guards. Like everyone else says if she wants power she has more to gain by being married to Elis than she does trying to start a coup. The way I see it she's just trying to mold Elis into into her ideal ruler rather than trying to seize power for herself. Like she says, she wants to be the woman whispering in his ear influencing his choices and she wants Elis to restore the empire. There is no reason for Isis to start a coup as long as that holds true
 
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burbero

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I mean I literally just mentioned the daughter. She doesn't like her mother and baselessly accusses her of doing something just because she notices that Isis goes to that patio a lot. As for the southern guards around the palace. I really don't see why that you're drawing attention to that. All that's said is that their mom doesn't like it. Isis already said she was going to send them back to the south and Cass's coup is the only reason why she hasn't done so yet. They're literally just guards. Like everyone else says if she wants power she has more to gain by being married to Elis than she does trying to start a coup. The way I see it she's just trying to mold Elis into into her ideal ruler rather than trying to seize power for herself. Like she says, she wants to be the woman whispering in his ear influencing his choices and she wants Elis to restore the empire. There is no reason for Isis to start a coup as long as that holds true
I'm not sure, but one of the possible endings could be that Isis becomes the new Isabella of France.
 

FalconLover420

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Personally I see Isis as everything to gain as your consort, power and influence with everything to lose by your death even if she has children.
Also if you dominated her, she remarks that and I think Isis goes off the rails if your other children start contesting her children's claim
 
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