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I am still in ep.1, but just knowing she is coming is a slight damper. I feel like her just being here will automatically cast a shadow over some characters.

I don't mind a one off or soemthing, but knowing she is a LI, just makes me fear about other girls, like are we going to give her more time than a Carmen or Selene, etc.

I don't know, this is just the one thing that I wish the dev didn't do, cause I rather leave Emilia in the past and focus on the characters in this game that I actually like a lot more like Sylvia, Kayane, Carmen, etc.

I just wish the dev would change his mind on this but that unfortunately won't happen.
I don't think that will happen tbh. She is a maid so most probably we won't spend much with her. I feel that the dev has added her to attract some fans(those who have only played Always fan), basically as a nostalgia quotient
 
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you're probably right on that, which makes more convinced its all done to put the"she special" spotlight on emilia.
its fine that Atemx has a personal favourite,i just hope i won't cast a shadow over the others
That and from a lore standpoint it makes sense as well. The compatibility between a maids soma and the master is said to be about matching up their natural magical affinities. But nobody else has an affinity like the MC, he starts with no magic at all, and can seemingly use every type once it's unlocked.

So any affinity with an opposing type might be causing a conflict. Say fire soma for example would be compatible because he can use fire magic, but also incompatible because he can use water/ice magic. The only magic affinity without an opposing type is blood magic. All the others have opposites fire/water, air/earth and light/dark.

It also hints that the MC once he sleeps with the vampire maid might get vampiric powers usually limited only to the vampires themselves.
 
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I am still in ep.1, but just knowing she is coming is a slight damper. I feel like her just being here will automatically cast a shadow over some characters.

I don't mind a one off or soemthing, but knowing she is a LI, just makes me fear about other girls, like are we going to give her more time than a Carmen or Selene, etc.

I don't know, this is just the one thing that I wish the dev didn't do, cause I rather leave Emilia in the past and focus on the characters in this game that I actually like a lot more like Sylvia, Kayane, Carmen, etc.

I just wish the dev would change his mind on this but that unfortunately won't happen.
yeah not smart to read the threads before finishing up to current version, you're going get some spoilers for sure.

Anyway its just my opinion and perspective on her,she wasn't my favourite in Alwaysfan but its not like i hated her.
its hard to say she will be just like in AF ,probably not considering the party system etc.

i am sure however that all girls will get their fairshare off content, that was the case in AF to.
we just might notice a slight bias towards Emlia ,like how in AF everyone likes her and she's connected to others trough events etc.
 

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I am still in ep.1, but just knowing she is coming is a slight damper. I feel like her just being here will automatically cast a shadow over some characters.

I don't mind a one off or soemthing, but knowing she is a LI, just makes me fear about other girls, like are we going to give her more time than a Carmen or Selene, etc.

I don't know, this is just the one thing that I wish the dev didn't do, cause I rather leave Emilia in the past and focus on the characters in this game that I like a lot like Sylvia, Kayane, Carmen, etc.

I just wish the dev would change his mind on this but that unfortunately won't happen.
It already happened, because of her, great character models, way better models could be used for maid role was wasted, I wouldn't be surprised if he does more, it's terrible design choice by far, and objectively she is way worse looking than first maid shown, and the demon race one. Wasting amazing character models like that over your favorite character from other game is seriously concerning move, honestly why even show those amazing models if you gonna waste them over your favorite one from your old game anyway? SHM...
 

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objectively she is way worse looking than other two girl I shared (shown to us in maid scene)
I don't think you know what objectively means. I personally agree with you and based purely on looks found those two more appealing. But recognize that's my own subjective opinion and clearly AtemX personally likes the model that was chosen more. Attraction is by its very nature subjective. "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder."

And while I found those two more attractive, I found the one actually chosen more interesting as a character, based on the short introductions we were given. And if given the choice would still have chosen the vampire over those others.

I think you guys are worrying too much about the new maid overshadowing the others in this game. In AlwaysFan it was apparent from the beginning Emilie would be the primary love interest. In this game that role is clearly taken by Sylvia. If AtemX wanted a fantasy world rehash of AlwaysFan with Emilie as the primary love interest again, the MC would have met that vampire in the cell next to him, not Sylvia.
 

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I don't think you know what objectively means. I personally agree with you and based purely on looks found those two more appealing. But recognize that's my own subjective opinion and clearly AtemX personally likes the model that was chosen more. Attraction is by its very nature subjective. "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder."

And while I found those two more attractive, I found the one actually chosen more interesting as a character, based on the short introductions we were given. And if given the choice would still have chosen the vampire over those others.

I think you guys are worrying too much about the new maid overshadowing the others in this game. In AlwaysFan it was apparent from the beginning Emilie would be the primary love interest. In this game that role is clearly taken by Sylvia. If AtemX wanted a fantasy world rehash of AlwaysFan with Emilie as the primary love interest again, the MC would have met that vampire in the cell next to him, not Sylvia.
Beauty is subjective thing? Yeah sure, you are right, but it's until some degree, there are some objectivity about beauty as well, and if you don't have specific taste on women almost anyone would say these two looking way better than her. What I meant here with objectivity is not ''factual objectivity'' like laws, more like accepted by more people. Her face is way more basic, less attaractive, and not interesting as other two, character-wise she could be later on, but what I'm talking here is only based on how they look, and by only character model (look) she is inferior to these two or even almost everyone in the game, if anyone show me these images to me I would 100% say she is side girl, meanwhile these two are main girls, that's how basic she looks.

Developer shouldn't even add this character model to this game, and instead should use better models he shown, with good/interesting character writing, that would be wise, and way more logical move, but ship is sailed already, and this is concerning, and disappointing.
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Beauty is subjective thing? Yeah sure, you are right, but it's until some degree, there are some objectivity about beauty as well, and if you don't have specific taste on women almost anyone would say these two looking way better than her. What I meant here with objectivity is not ''factual objectivity'' like laws, more like accepted by more people. Her face is way more basic, less attaractive, and not interesting as other two, character-wise she could be later on, but what I'm talking here is only based on how they look, and by only character model (look) she is inferior to these two or even almost everyone in the game, if anyone show me these images to me I would 100% say she is side girl, meanwhile these two are main girls, that's how basic she looks.

Developer shouldn't even add this character model to this game, and instead should use better models he shown, with good/interesting character writing, that would be wise, and way more logical move, but ship is sailed already, and this is concerning, and disappointing.
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You're arguing for objectivity and using subjective reasonings in your argument. We get it, you like the other two more. That's your opinion. The vast majority of people like the other two more, that's their opinion. You literally say " less attaractive" (I'm not fixing your typo) which is as subjective as can be. It doesn't matter how "basic" she looks, that's your opinion. Do you see the trend here? There's no objectivity to be had and besides, the dev loves the model of Emilie (which is subjective) so expecting the other two to win out over his favorite is just wishful thinking.
 

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It already happened, because of her, great character models, way better models could be used for maid role was wasted, I wouldn't be surprised if he does more, it's terrible design choice by far, and objectively she is way worse looking than first maid shown, and the demon race one. Wasting amazing character models like that over your favorite character from other game is seriously concerning move, honestly why even show those amazing models if you gonna waste them over your favorite one from your old game anyway? SHM...
You say it like he's suddenly incapable of making the same or better looking characters. Or he can't simply bring those particular characters back. Or just make more/others who look similar to them. Like they ain't a finite resource. You missed out on all of TWO women bruv. While more than half the roster still blacked out. And the game itself is still in the early stages.

Like it ain't that deep.
 

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Beauty is subjective thing? Yeah sure, you are right, but it's until some degree, there are some objectivity about beauty as well, and if you don't have specific taste on women almost anyone would say these two looking way better than her. What I meant here with objectivity is not ''factual objectivity'' like laws, more like accepted by more people. Her face is way more basic, less attaractive, and not interesting as other two, character-wise she could be later on, but what I'm talking here is only based on how they look, and by only character model (look) she is inferior to these two or even almost everyone in the game, if anyone show me these images to me I would 100% say she is side girl, meanwhile these two are main girls, that's how basic she looks.

Developer shouldn't even add this character model to this game, and instead should use better models he shown, with good/interesting character writing, that would be wise, and way more logical move, but ship is sailed already, and this is concerning, and disappointing.
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I'm not particularly attracted to any of the three.
 

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Weirdly enough the Vampire girl is the only one on which the tits look fitting, for either of the other two they are just too big for the character in my opinion.

Not a fan of any of the three though, honestly had a hard time with AF because I liked the story/writing/characters but never thought the main LI was any attractive... but well, it's just one character in this game an not every character needs to be a potential favorite :D
 
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Her face is way more basic, less attaractive, and not interesting as other two, character-wise she could be later on
Her magical affinity is Sanguis, which is apparently quite rare. MC needs a way to get that particular affinity. At the end of Chapter 1, MC had Ignis and Natura, with a potential conquest for Aqaue and Umbra; Chapter 2 gives MC Aqaue, with a path to Sanguis. As far as I recall, these are the only affinities of record.

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There is sex scene with Manon, but requires a large amount of ruthless points. Borderline rape and you can even force impregnate her. MC also comments on her having a very low affinity after.
I'll add it in there I guess. I had to go back to get the Dog-girl because I'm only playing the 'good' route (even during my playthrough I rolled back because I'd hoped we had a route to save her, given the previous options). She's in the love interest table, so I can only assume there's a path there later.
 

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I'll add it in there I guess. I had to go back to get the Dog-girl because I'm only playing the 'good' route (even during my playthrough I rolled back because I'd hoped we had a route to save her, given the previous options). She's in the love interest table, so I can only assume there's a path there later.
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For the compassion/ruthlessness checks, how strict are they? Am I gonna have to only pick one option, or are there enough points of each to miss a few? Wanting to do a ruthless run for my first save, but restarting I missed that first check with the blacksmith since I didn't want to ignore the elf girl with the rocks.
 

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For the compassion/ruthlessness checks, how strict are they? Am I gonna have to only pick one option, or are there enough points of each to miss a few? Wanting to do a ruthless run for my first save, but restarting I missed that first check with the blacksmith since I didn't want to ignore the elf girl with the rocks.
yeah i originally thought that a neutral path was possible but that doesn't seem the case right now,you go deep on ether good or bad.
do remember this is only the 2nd update so its possible in the future that a mixing/neutral path will have some options but i haven't seen that yet.
 
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yeah i originally thought that a neutral path was possible but that doesn't seem the case right now,you go deep on ether good or bad.
Judging from the stuff the "Universal Renpy Mod" shows me, he only seems to check for "ruthless > 0" (or "pragma" how the variable is called internally) for both paths. So if your ruthlessness is only 1 you are on the ruthless path. If you're exactly zero or one into compassion, you're on the compassion path. There are only two paths which get checked, so no neutral path and the paths are divided by only a single value.
But sometimes you need at least a given number of points for choices.
 
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