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Umbra.Nox

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I can't use discord nowadays, sadly it banned in my country for some sort of crime acts
I swear, Patreon needs to be on trial for crimes against humanity. They even forced one dev i follow to change a lot of stuff recently, so it's not just a thing of the past either. I hope you know what you're doing, staying with them.
They listened to me! Thanks, government bros. Too bad Golden Crow isn't going to switch from Patreon, it's a devious trap that lures in with easy patrons and income, and then at the moment you start to shine - they close that cage...

Well, to be fair, right now Influencing doesn't have many excuses left for them to blackmail Crow.
 

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Crow moved release date to 15.11 for patrons, and a week later for everyone else. And now there's a new incentive to be a patron - you'll be able to use his private AI server, since local AI didn't perform well. You'll still be able to use it though.

Hello my friends! I hope everything is fine with you!

We just completed our first round of testing on the AI features in Influencing! And let me tell you, it was very enlightening, to say the least. Watching the testers interact with the LLM—not only in-game but also outside of it—and seeing their frustrations, made me rethink how I’ll introduce this feature to you all.

So, in the past few days, I’ve been working hard to bring something special to our Patreon supporters. The result is: we’re setting up our very own AI server! This means that Patrons will be able to play with a private AI server hosted by me.

Initially, all Patrons will have access to the server, but I’ll be monitoring the quality/cost ratio. If it becomes unsustainable, I may restrict access to higher-tier Patrons until we find a balance that ensures the server is fun and functional for everyone.

With this setup, there will be one last delay for the release. But now, I finally have a date! The next Influencing update will be on 15/11/2024 for Patreon supporters, and one week later for the public!

So, to sum it up, the next update will bring improvements to the sex system, the introduction of AI, the ability to add custom families to the city, and some other small adjustments. This will be the last major update of this season. Future updates will be shorter and take less time, as these big updates tend to stress me out for various reasons.

And just to clarify the AI options: you’ll be able to use local AI, AI Horde (which didn’t perform well in tests...), and, if you’re a Patron, you’ll have access to our AI server with a roleplay-specialized LLM. For now, I won’t be adding connectivity with other external AIs due to the potential issues it could bring.

Good good?

Once again, thank you, everyone, for supporting Influencing! That’s all for now, my friends! Take care!
 

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Crow moved release date to 15.11 for patrons, and a week later for everyone else. And now there's a new incentive to be a patron - you'll be able to use his private AI server, since local AI didn't perform well. You'll still be able to use it though.
'' Initially, all Patrons will have access to the server, but I’ll be monitoring the quality/cost ratio. If it becomes unsustainable, I may restrict access to higher-tier Patrons until we find a balance that ensures the server is fun and functional for everyone. ''

50$ montly for private server for better AI ( the standart probably ), yeah sounds like a robbery. Looks like even this project start paywall tactics. It's not 1 time thing u need to pay constantly like u're paying to a service. Even serviceses like these have more than one project like xbox game pass, playstation game pass, amazon prime, netflix etc. If we should rate this on 50$ per month on 100, i will probably go to minus numbers. b... but he needs to earn money guys :( I bet some modders pop out and make a better community AI than Crow, I hope he won't ban those AI s.


'' Influencing update will be on 15/11/2024 for Patreon supporters, and one week later for the public! ''

Another delay
 
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'' Initially, all Patrons will have access to the server, but I’ll be monitoring the quality/cost ratio. If it becomes unsustainable, I may restrict access to higher-tier Patrons until we find a balance that ensures the server is fun and functional for everyone. ''

50$ montly for private server for better AI ( the standart probably ), yeah sounds like a robbery. Looks like even this project start paywall tactics. It's not 1 time thing u need to pay constantly like u're paying to a service. Even serviceses like these have more than one project like xbox game pass, playstation game pass, amazon prime, netflix etc. If we should rate this on 50$ per month on 100, i will probably go to minus numbers. b... but he needs to earn money guys :( I bet some modders pop out and make a better community AI than Crow, I hope he won't ban those AI s.


'' Influencing update will be on 15/11/2024 for Patreon supporters, and one week later for the public! ''

Another delay

You should stop creating fake scenarios in your head… The post is clear. He's providing an AI server for Patrons who can't host it locally. It’s probably the same AI you can run on your own if you have a decent PC. Besides, the AI isn’t even necessary to play the game. Are you new to the overall Influencing concept? The dev is focused on making a game as accessible as possible for everyone, even for people who play on their phones. That’s the main idea that Crow always emphasizes when discussing the game.
As for the release date, this is the first time he’s set a specific date, so there hasn’t been any delay.
Go touch some grass… Peace :)
 

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You should stop creating fake scenarios in your head… The post is clear. He's providing an AI server for Patrons who can't host it locally. It’s probably the same AI you can run on your own if you have a decent PC. Besides, the AI isn’t even necessary to play the game. Are you new to the overall Influencing concept? The dev is focused on making a game as accessible as possible for everyone, even for people who play on their phones. That’s the main idea that Crow always emphasizes when discussing the game.
As for the release date, this is the first time he’s set a specific date, so there hasn’t been any delay.
Go touch some grass… Peace :)
Patrons who can't afford for decent pc but afford constantly pay for high tear patreon subscription yeah that makes sense. I'm just talking about decent AI requirement pay on the text he wrote and i don't see anything about patrons who has crappy pc. I guess time will show us the features, he made. Get rid of the butterflies in your head, non-paid lawyer
 
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'' Initially, all Patrons will have access to the server, but I’ll be monitoring the quality/cost ratio. If it becomes unsustainable, I may restrict access to higher-tier Patrons until we find a balance that ensures the server is fun and functional for everyone. ''

50$ montly for private server for better AI ( the standart probably ), yeah sounds like a robbery. Looks like even this project start paywall tactics. It's not 1 time thing u need to pay constantly like u're paying to a service. Even serviceses like these have more than one project like xbox game pass, playstation game pass, amazon prime, netflix etc. If we should rate this on 50$ per month on 100, i will probably go to minus numbers. b... but he needs to earn money guys :( I bet some modders pop out and make a better community AI than Crow, I hope he won't ban those AI s.


'' Influencing update will be on 15/11/2024 for Patreon supporters, and one week later for the public! ''

Another delay
No, nothing about this is paywall whatsoever. Patreon AI server is nothing other than an alternative for those that may have issues setting it up locally, that's all. If you read into what was said there you'll see that Crow mentioned all patreon subscribers and you have tiers ranging from 2$ all the way up to 50$ therefore I really don't see how you even got to the conclusion that he's planning to make it for the 50$ tiers. By "higher-tier patrons" he probably meant for those in the range of the 5-10$ depending on nothing other than the performance results meaning that it may not even get limited at all in the end.

If anything, it's great that Crow even considered this alternative considering that he initially never planned for it and wanted people to either local host it or use any of the free online versions which in testing turned out to be way too slow.
 
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Crow moved release date to 15.11 for patrons, and a week later for everyone else. And now there's a new incentive to be a patron - you'll be able to use his private AI server, since local AI didn't perform well. You'll still be able to use it though.
I just want to add a bit of clarification here. Local AI does perform well, the issue arises from the free online versions that are listed in the game's options as well as people with lower end PCs that may have trouble setting it up.
 
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No, nothing about this is paywall whatsoever. Patreon AI server is nothing other than an alternative for those that may have issues setting it up locally, that's all. If you read into what was said there you'll see that Crow mentioned all patreon subscribers and you have tiers ranging from 2$ all the way up to 50$ therefore I really don't see how you even got to the conclusion that he's planning to make it for the 50$ tiers. By "higher-tier patrons" he probably meant for those in the range of the 5-10$ depending on nothing other than the performance results meaning that it may not even get limited at all in the end.

If anything, it's great that Crow even considered this alternative considering that he initially never planned for it and wanted people to either local host it or use any of the free online versions which in testing turned out to be way too slow.
Well thank u for decent explanation. I guess i miss some points or crow bad at explain things, probably my mistake. It's good to see someone who try to explain things instead of insulting.
 

iron_jack

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Oh look, it's exactly what I was worried about. Experimental AI stuff (that may not even turn out to be any good) bogging down development and delaying everything else. Oh well.
 
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Crow moved release date to 15.11 for patrons, and a week later for everyone else. And now there's a new incentive to be a patron - you'll be able to use his private AI server, since local AI didn't perform well. You'll still be able to use it though.
Any idea if AMD is supported for this? 16GB of VRAM while not anything crazy for AI isn't bad.
 
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Any idea if AMD is supported for this? 16GB of VRAM while not anything crazy for AI isn't bad.
In testing I had nothing but issues trying to set it up on my RX6800XT (one of the reasons why Crow went for the Patreon alternative) while the testers on the RTX GPUs managed to set it all up just fine with no issues whatsoever. I do have to say that when it comes to AI & LLM I'm an absolute knobhead as I never really did anything with AI before testing this so its possible that I just didn't investigate enough alleyways to get it running onto AMD while Crow's guidelines probably directed me towards more RTX friendly solutions as he's on RTX himself.

Do note that I did eventually manage to set it up on my AMD machine and it was slow as hell (once again, performance was not an issue with those on RTX cards).

Hopefully someone with more knowledge in running AI with AMD might eventually come up with a decent solution once the update releases and make a tutorial or something.
 

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In testing I had nothing but issues trying to set it up on my RX6800XT (one of the reasons why Crow went for the Patreon alternative) while the testers on the RTX GPUs managed to set it all up just fine with no issues whatsoever. I do have to say that when it comes to AI & LLM I'm an absolute knobhead as I never really did anything with AI before testing this so its possible that I just didn't investigate enough alleyways to get it running onto AMD while Crow's guidelines probably directed me towards more RTX friendly solutions as he's on RTX himself.

Do note that I did eventually manage to set it up on my AMD machine and it was slow as hell (once again, performance was not an issue with those on RTX cards).

Hopefully someone with more knowledge in running AI with AMD might eventually come up with a decent solution once the update releases and make a tutorial or something.

If yall are interested in running AI locally I would recommend this thread: https://f95zone.to/threads/using-your-gpu-to-power-ai-for-erotic-roleplay.180495/

Im also running amd graphics and with some tinkering I managed to get my local AI running for text gen pretty well.
I havent played the coming update but I assume you should be able to use KoboldCPP in API mode and hook it into the game. With the right model and parameter settings you should be able to get a decent response time on the specs mentioned.

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iron_jack

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If that's what his patrons want and it aligns with his interest, I don't see why not. You're free to play other games in the meantime.
You're not wrong. I shouldn't act entitled. I just mentioned a couple of pages ago that I hoped the AI stuff wouldn't bog down development, so I guess I thought people really needed to hear my "called it!". (They didn't, I'm just a self-absorbed twat sometimes.)
 
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You're not wrong. I shouldn't act entitled. I just mentioned a couple of pages ago that I hoped the AI stuff wouldn't bog down development, so I guess I thought people really needed to hear my "called it!". (They didn't, I'm just a self-absorbed twat sometimes.)
Don't get me wrong, I understand that AI isn't near perfect yet and is resource intensive to use, but I also can't fault him for trying to use it. People want a dynamic experience with meaningful dialogue choices and unique characters, and the town has like what, a minimum of 80 randomly generated NPCs? The fastest and more most practical way is unfortunately AI.
 

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Don't get me wrong, I understand that AI isn't near perfect yet and is resource intensive to use, but I also can't fault him for trying to use it. People want a dynamic experience with meaningful dialogue choices and unique characters, and the town has like what, a minimum of 80 randomly generated NPCs? The fastest and more most practical way is unfortunately AI.
I wonder, would it be easier to just make a game editor for AI, rather than making an AI that has to keep up with ridiculous amount of information and be interactive in real time? In game editor it would only have to consider its own game context during the process of creation, that would be cemented into editor after adding it - allowing for an easy order to change and improve things in places. It adds text and interactions, it refers to its own creation as the context, and makes more on top of it. Sounds like less AI use than a chatbot.

Or maybe i'm just simplifying it, because i really wish it was true already... I guess it would have to be learning from something, and have to analyze how other people use this editor, i.e. reading every single mod.
 

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Are any of the jobs more fleshed out than others? I picked office worker for no reason and then discovered it is all automatic and doesn't seem like any of my flirting with coworkers or boss matters.
 

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Are any of the jobs more fleshed out than others? I picked office worker for no reason and then discovered it is all automatic and doesn't seem like any of my flirting with coworkers or boss matters.
Not really, no. I tried teaching, but I don't understand the mechanics in the slightest.
 

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Are any of the jobs more fleshed out than others? I picked office worker for no reason and then discovered it is all automatic and doesn't seem like any of my flirting with coworkers or boss matters.
Teaching is the most developed job currently, but even it is not super far along. Right now they're mostly placeholders. It SOUNDS like GC has plans on putting some stuff in like office drama, fucking the boss at work, etc., but it's not implemented yet.

And like the guy above me said, the teaching job is... confusing. With the broken english and stuff it's kinda hard to tell what you're supposed to be doing. I've had weeks where I did literally nothing, like I forgot to go to work completely until the last day, and my students failed their tests but discipline was like, ungodly good? And I got a huge bonus for having such a well-disciplined class. I've had other weeks when I'm there every day, doing my best to teach them (both in a single subject that I'm highly interested in, and a broad range of subjects), and I get my ass chewed by the boss for being so horrible at my job. So I... really can't offer any advice on how to progress, lol.
 

Ferghus

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Teaching is the most developed job currently, but even it is not super far along. Right now they're mostly placeholders. It SOUNDS like GC has plans on putting some stuff in like office drama, fucking the boss at work, etc., but it's not implemented yet.

And like the guy above me said, the teaching job is... confusing. With the broken english and stuff it's kinda hard to tell what you're supposed to be doing. I've had weeks where I did literally nothing, like I forgot to go to work completely until the last day, and my students failed their tests but discipline was like, ungodly good? And I got a huge bonus for having such a well-disciplined class. I've had other weeks when I'm there every day, doing my best to teach them (both in a single subject that I'm highly interested in, and a broad range of subjects), and I get my ass chewed by the boss for being so horrible at my job. So I... really can't offer any advice on how to progress, lol.
Yup. So I just autowork.
 
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