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HikBenAkk

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While I am speaking of it :

I LOVE Nina introduction in the game...

First, she is hot too despite, like Vicky she will never reach MC's level of hotness :love:

And I love the reason she was introduced in the game we finally know in this update (I am sure of it):
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I love this game more and more :love:
 
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RanTao549

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Guys I got a warning from my security app saying there is a high danger file "Sonar.ProcHijack!gen5" in game file. Please advice if this is a threat
I too had the same problem with Norton. Wouldn't let me play because the threat was very high. Don't get me wrong I love games like these, but I'm not willing to risk my PC's security for it.
 
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0Jg6@^$WYe

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After playing .6:

What is happening in the gym?
I don't understand why there are so many characters at the gym. Especially when the other masseuses already go there, are amazing, and barely get used. I'd much prefer to see, e.g., Lin helping Jennifer with social media than a random MILF stalking a random gym guy.

The suddenly interesting coffee shop
The coffee shop plot was very predictable until Nina showed up. Good choice! (I do think a more believable way of the shop owner accomplishing his goal would have been simply to hire a prostitute to pretend to be a coworker for a few days until Jennifer was in his grasp.)

Jennifer is the drug
Jennifer continues to be one of the most attractive characters of any game, at least for me personally. Honestly, I can't say I'd have hung around for updates as long if she wasn't so nice-looking and if the devs weren't so good at capturing her, scene-wise. I wish her irises were a bit smaller, and her chest is a little too deformed sometimes, but hey. (Something interesting to me is that I think her head is the same model as the girl in the game Lisa, yet I think Lisa is disturbingly ugly. So, Marcial/whoever is making some good choices somewhere.)

What is happening in the hotel?
I thought we had a promising cheating-or-not subplot shaping up where the sister and boyfriend or father accidentally hook up after the sister or boyfriend use the pills. The father/boyfriend were even about to walk in on the sister in the hotel. That could have set up some conflict/guilt for Jennifer progression. But suddenly the boyfriend/father vanished, we've been in the hotel for weeks, and now there's an exhibition kink sidestory. The creepy hotel guy got dangled, but now he too feels like he's being bypassed for something about to happen outside the hotel entirely. I think it's possible to have this all pay off still, but it would need to be pretty wild. E.g., sister gets arrested for exposure and/or drugs, the boyfriend or father have to bail out, the father gets enraged and the hotel owner overhears him, and then the owner blackmails the sister to do more (then maybe owner uses it to blackmail Jennifer to protect her sister?).

Funny is keeping creepy from being boring
I like that the creepy harassers are written to be funny and over-the-top sometimes. Too many corruption games take their antagonists too seriously.

Plots I'm personally hoping go further
  • Massage client wants in-house visits; maybe leads to her being his escort to events and/or a "Money" end where she marries into wealth
  • Landlord's partying friends. Overdone in many games, but an original slant might be for her boyfriend to be invited, heightening the suspense and/or requiring her to protect HIM from being corrupted
  • Social media influencer (honestly, too many games are doing this, and usually it's boring. But it could be fun here because she's not tech-savvy. For example, Lin could tell her that she is setting the racy posts so only her boyfriend can see them, but they are public)
  • No idea where the zealot father or boyfriend are going, but there's a lot of potential there. E.g., father freaks out and forbids them even hanging out, so boyfriend and Jennifer start sending pictures and risque challenges to each, maybe even something kinky like some netorase with other people. "Kiss my sister." "Kiss your coworker." etc.).
My single favorite writing decision: regret
I think the single best writing choice in this game/novel is that, even after some obvious slip-ups, Jennifer is still trying to be innocent, making harsher rules for herself that can be broken too, and feeling guilty/ashamed/regretful after she does things (versus justifying them or getting to like them). It makes her realistic, which makes corruption stories much stronger. I'm not sure if this will last, given that the title is "Innocence or Money" but there's no reason she has to end up a smug sex predator or brain-dead sex doll, like the female character in 99% of other corruption games.

In fact, now I'm in rant mode. Too many corruption games act like their female character is a secret slut just waiting for an excuse to let it out. You see this when she is unreasonably attracted to strange characters or when she "mind-breaks" from pleasure by being touched. The problem is, once you run out of depraved things for her to try, the game is dead. Why do more games not have the main character stay the same -- e.g., struggling to stay loyal/innocent -- and have the antagonists be the ones getting more and more corrupt? Keep the female character wrestling harder and harder for that innocence, while the aggressors keep raising the temptations/pressure: getting even more pushy when they succeed or more frustrated/forceful when they fail. That approach would solve three of the worst pitfalls for corruption game developers:
  • running out of content: instead, you could have a constant fall/redemption cycle
  • shallow and flat aggressors: instead, the aggressors have a character arc of indulging their worst impulses, trying things they shouldn't, and evolving as characters over time
  • no real choices for players, just "get corrupted" or "not," which is just "see content or not": but if the story was the aggressors getting corrupted, then the player choices would be about roleplaying the female character and/or shaping the plot the way you prefer. For example, if she negotiates ("I need to keep this job"), the bad guys use things like money or opportunity, to her later regret. If she's naive or submissive, bad guys use peer pressure or blackmail or drinking. If she mocks or fights back, the bad guys using nonconsensual methods like threats or drugs. After she does something she doesn't like, maybe she makes new rules for herself (creating the next target for bad guys) or she tries to cope/forget like with drinking or lies to friends (setting up other potential falls).
Anyway, the reason I prefer female protagonist games is I don't like being asked to identify with aggressors/perverts. However, in too many corruption games, it ends up becoming hard to identify with the female/victim too, as she turns into a sex-crazed predator herself. Keep Jennifer Great!
 
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Bigapee

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The suddenly interesting coffee shop
The coffee shop plot was very predictable until Nina showed up. Good choice! (I do think a more believable way of the shop owner accomplishing his goal would have been simply to hire a prostitute to pretend to be a coworker for a few days until Jennifer was in his grasp.)
this was my idea too, and i think it would've been much better for the story as well. get Jen to freak out and think she needs to give in to him for the job, but at the end of the day it's mostly a trick because what are the chances two beautiful women are going to fuck some nasty old dude for a $20 a night job at a coffee shop?

I'm sad that the massage owner rescued the MC.
As the MC I was completely ready to take that man's innocence And his money!

How dare that useless busybody massage store owner get in the way?!
Next time I sexpect her to keep her nose out of my (and the MC's) business!
my thoughts as well, if she's willing to let Fred group her for $10 a pop there is no way she wouldn't have done anything that dude wanted for $10,000
 

Mesmerizet

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Mar 14, 2020
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Now we can call this an update because we finally got some action involving the MC even though a lot of good animations were once again spent/wasted on secondaries as usual, but progress is still progress.

Edit: I'm pretty sure a lot of players don't want the content we get with the sister or the gym cougar and now we have this new boring bimbo character in the coffee (Nina). I personally use the skip button whenever one of these characters shows up & the MC isn't around because I have zero interest in their stories or escapades and I don't want to experience those events from their point of view (you need more than a pretty face and a hot body to pique the player's interest which is something only Jennifer got). So in every update I'm left with nothing but scraps trying to scavenge a good scene or two from that and then move on, Jennifer is mostly a voyeur sadly and when action was about to take place in the massage parlor the typical miraculous divine intervention took place and blueballed half of the planet like in every extreme slow burn game of this genre, the first two updates are still the best up to this date.

The Bj scene was decent but you can tell from the lack of camera views that Jennifer is getting the short end of the stick when it comes to scenes (Nina the newly introduced secondary character got two scenes in a row with those options).
I think similar to what 0Jg6@^$WYe said, Nina should have just been a prostitute hired off the street or from m4w, men4women or some of the escort-y cragislist place. Assuming this is obviously situated in somewhere like the US or UK, you don't generally get job applicants willingly succin dic over here for a small waitressing job at least (until they're street trash). No disrespect to SW but I am pretty sure SW pays more than waitressing in most cases.

Plus, one thing I noticed is that Jennifer is practically the only attractive female in the entire game. Obviously Fred's wife is made as a lardbucket, she should have been made into a nerdy wife, who is busy with her work, and you could work more on a route with her (lesbian) or thressome once you corrupt her too. Masseuse co-workers are ugly af and I don't remember the gym but the supposed MILF (more like Granny I'd Rather Not Fuck) is also a pretty turn-off for me so I just save & skip through those scenes.

The only thing doing it for me rn in this game is Jennifer and how well written and slow paced her descent to corruption exists. I don't think the dev should entirely do fanservice but he should definitely focus on these aspects more because the game literally only has one thing going for it rn and its Jennifer. Jennifer is literally the redeeming quality in this game rn being a 8+/10 all of the other female characters are sub-3's mostly. (can't remember all of them atm)
 

Mesmerizet

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Also just a personal opinion Vicky should get a taste of her own medicine by having her sent to Dean as an apology gift. Now that'd be a good turn of events (tbh Vicky's side profile isn't too bad, I'd say 4-5/10 but her front profile sucks)
 

Nagato0147

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May 23, 2018
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You would be able to cum in this life and in the next life with this game before you ever get a chance to do it with the "Wife And a Mother" game and you can mark my words on that :BootyTime:
 
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Mesmerizet

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You would be able to cum in this life and in the next life with this game before you ever get a chance to do it with the "Wife And a Mother" game and you can mark my words on that :BootyTime:
Yeah literally.
This game is the definition of a slow burn, that's okay.
There are some VNs like Hillside where there is very slow paced scene building however the script-writing is so awesome you dont even mind the wait.
But with AWAM, the script isn't that great, it's already due time for the game to have some full fledged sex scenes now, and descend towards more hardcore scenes (gangbang, threesomes, public sex, and endings hereafter) but nopes. I think its probably common knowledge by now that L&P is just milking his patrons dry. AWAM does have a good scene-setting and lore and I don't think any other game (maybe Elena's Life, but its a very low-funded game compared to AWAM) matches that, but its about damn time for him to get some sex scenes into.

That's why I think IoM and many other VNs have potential. If something like AWAM is grossing 10k a month, these VNs with a few more improvements can easily do that.
Also I think the "quest" thing is pretty meh for a RenPy game (eg. Fashion Business). Its a good game but I stopped keeping up with it since I cant skim through it. A lot of the people who play don't really have the luxury of time always and you eliminate a slight portion of your userbase with such games that require effort.
However, I think the main concern that needs to be addressed is the lack of attractive female characters in this VN. Jen's literally the only one you can rank over 5/10 (assuming she'd be an 8 since she has a pretty good well-toned figure and a good face too)
 

bricoman69

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I think similar to what 0Jg6@^$WYe said, Nina should have just been a prostitute hired off the street or from m4w, men4women or some of the escort-y cragislist place. Assuming this is obviously situated in somewhere like the US or UK, you don't generally get job applicants willingly succin dic over here for a small waitressing job at least (until they're street trash). No disrespect to SW but I am pretty sure SW pays more than waitressing in most cases.

Plus, one thing I noticed is that Jennifer is practically the only attractive female in the entire game. Obviously Fred's wife is made as a lardbucket, she should have been made into a nerdy wife, who is busy with her work, and you could work more on a route with her (lesbian) or thressome once you corrupt her too. Masseuse co-workers are ugly af and I don't remember the gym but the supposed MILF (more like Granny I'd Rather Not Fuck) is also a pretty turn-off for me so I just save & skip through those scenes.

The only thing doing it for me rn in this game is Jennifer and how well written and slow paced her descent to corruption exists. I don't think the dev should entirely do fanservice but he should definitely focus on these aspects more because the game literally only has one thing going for it rn and its Jennifer. Jennifer is literally the redeeming quality in this game rn being a 8+/10 all of the other female characters are sub-3's mostly. (can't remember all of them atm)
Don't you dare to forget about my girl. Jessica. :devilish:
 

Nagato0147

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May 23, 2018
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Yeah literally.
This game is the definition of a slow burn, that's okay.
There are some VNs like Hillside where there is very slow paced scene building however the script-writing is so awesome you dont even mind the wait.
But with AWAM, the script isn't that great, it's already due time for the game to have some full fledged sex scenes now, and descend towards more hardcore scenes (gangbang, threesomes, public sex, and endings hereafter) but nopes. I think its probably common knowledge by now that L&P is just milking his patrons dry. AWAM does have a good scene-setting and lore and I don't think any other game (maybe Elena's Life, but its a very low-funded game compared to AWAM) matches that, but its about damn time for him to get some sex scenes into.

That's why I think IoM and many other VNs have potential. If something like AWAM is grossing 10k a month, these VNs with a few more improvements can easily do that.
Also I think the "quest" thing is pretty meh for a RenPy game (eg. Fashion Business). Its a good game but I stopped keeping up with it since I cant skim through it. A lot of the people who play don't really have the luxury of time always and you eliminate a slight portion of your userbase with such games that require effort.
However, I think the main concern that needs to be addressed is the lack of attractive female characters in this VN. Jen's literally the only one you can rank over 5/10 (assuming she'd be an 8 since she has a pretty good well-toned figure and a good face too)
I agree,you should see my review of the game "Wife And A Mother" see if you agree with me,I liking "Innocence Or Money" game even if the story and the characters are stereotype because we have a feeling that the idea it's not actually unique,Jen is unique,not only so hot but also so beautiful,I get mesmerized but her face expressions,it's a incredible job by the dev of her model,and you mention "Elena's Life",good lord that one had so much potential,it's a shame that a game with that much content was abandoned.
 

tuShua

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I too had the same problem with Norton. Wouldn't let me play because the threat was very high. Don't get me wrong I love games like these, but I'm not willing to risk my PC's security for it.
just because something is giving you a warning doesn't mean it's exactly harmful straight away. everyone knows this already. there are a lot of false positives in anti-viruses, but that doesn't mean you have to take them for granted either. You can temporarily turn off your AV or let windows defender run it. WD is already super good. If you're unsure, you can install Malwarebytes. Been using it for many years, and has been really good at blocking malware.
 

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hah. nice one. dk if this was intentional or not, but this is one damn witty pun
 

Zara Scarlet

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Apr 3, 2022
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After playing .6:

What is happening in the gym?
I don't understand why there are so many characters at the gym. Especially when the other masseuses already go there, are amazing, and barely get used. I'd much prefer to see, e.g., Lin helping Jennifer with social media than a random MILF stalking a random gym guy.

The suddenly interesting coffee shop
The coffee shop plot was very predictable until Nina showed up. Good choice! (I do think a more believable way of the shop owner accomplishing his goal would have been simply to hire a prostitute to pretend to be a coworker for a few days until Jennifer was in his grasp.)

Jennifer is the drug
Jennifer continues to be one of the most attractive characters of any game, at least for me personally. Honestly, I can't say I'd have hung around for updates as long if she wasn't so nice-looking and if the devs weren't so good at capturing her, scene-wise. I wish her irises were a bit smaller, and her chest is a little too deformed sometimes, but hey. (Something interesting to me is that I think her head is the same model as the girl in the game Lisa, yet I think Lisa is disturbingly ugly. So, Marcial/whoever is making some good choices somewhere.)

What is happening in the hotel?
I thought we had a promising cheating-or-not subplot shaping up where the sister and boyfriend or father accidentally hook up after the sister or boyfriend use the pills. The father/boyfriend were even about to walk in on the sister in the hotel. That could have set up some conflict/guilt for Jennifer progression. But suddenly the boyfriend/father vanished, we've been in the hotel for weeks, and now there's an exhibition kink sidestory. The creepy hotel guy got dangled, but now he too feels like he's being bypassed for something about to happen outside the hotel entirely. I think it's possible to have this all pay off still, but it would need to be pretty wild. E.g., sister gets arrested for exposure and/or drugs, the boyfriend or father have to bail out, the father gets enraged and the hotel owner overhears him, and then the owner blackmails the sister to do more (then maybe owner uses it to blackmail Jennifer to protect her sister?).

Funny is keeping creepy from being boring
I like that the creepy harassers are written to be funny and over-the-top sometimes. Too many corruption games take their antagonists too seriously.

Plots I'm personally hoping go further
  • Massage client wants in-house visits; maybe leads to her being his escort to events and/or a "Money" end where she marries into wealth
  • Landlord's partying friends. Overdone in many games, but an original slant might be for her boyfriend to be invited, heightening the suspense and/or requiring her to protect HIM from being corrupted
  • Social media influencer (honestly, too many games are doing this, and usually it's boring. But it could be fun here because she's not tech-savvy. For example, Lin could tell her that she is setting the racy posts so only her boyfriend can see them, but they are public)
  • No idea where the zealot father or boyfriend are going, but there's a lot of potential there. E.g., father freaks out and forbids them even hanging out, so boyfriend and Jennifer start sending pictures and risque challenges to each, maybe even something kinky like some netorase with other people. "Kiss my sister." "Kiss your coworker." etc.).
My single favorite writing decision: regret
I think the single best writing choice in this game/novel is that, even after some obvious slip-ups, Jennifer is still trying to be innocent, making harsher rules for herself that can be broken too, and feeling guilty/ashamed/regretful after she does things (versus justifying them or getting to like them). It makes her realistic, which makes corruption stories much stronger. I'm not sure if this will last, given that the title is "Innocence or Money" but there's no reason she has to end up a smug sex predator or brain-dead sex doll, like the female character in 99% of other corruption games.

In fact, now I'm in rant mode. Too many corruption games act like their female character is a secret slut just waiting for an excuse to let it out. You see this when she is unreasonably attracted to strange characters or when she "mind-breaks" from pleasure by being touched. The problem is, once you run out of depraved things for her to try, the game is dead. Why do more games not have the main character stay the same -- e.g., struggling to stay loyal/innocent -- and have the antagonists be the ones getting more and more corrupt? Keep the female character wrestling harder and harder for that innocence, while the aggressors keep raising the temptations/pressure: getting even more pushy when they succeed or more frustrated/forceful when they fail. That approach would solve three of the worst pitfalls for corruption game developers:
  • running out of content: instead, you could have a constant fall/redemption cycle
  • shallow and flat aggressors: instead, the aggressors have a character arc of indulging their worst impulses, trying things they shouldn't, and evolving as characters over time
  • no real choices for players, just "get corrupted" or "not," which is just "see content or not": but if the story was the aggressors getting corrupted, then the player choices would be about roleplaying the female character and/or shaping the plot the way you prefer. For example, if she negotiates ("I need to keep this job"), the bad guys use things like money or opportunity, to her later regret. If she's naive or submissive, bad guys use peer pressure or blackmail or drinking. If she mocks or fights back, the bad guys using nonconsensual methods like threats or drugs. After she does something she doesn't like, maybe she makes new rules for herself (creating the next target for bad guys) or she tries to cope/forget like with drinking or lies to friends (setting up other potential falls).
Anyway, the reason I prefer female protagonist games is I don't like being asked to identify with aggressors/perverts. However, in too many corruption games, it ends up becoming hard to identify with the female/victim too, as she turns into a sex-crazed predator herself. Keep Jennifer Great!
Personally, I don't see what the problem is her eventually becoming a sex-crazed predator, bearing in mind 99.99 % of male protagonists are sex-crazed predators, and nobody bats an eyelid.
 
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