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People sure love throwing shit at things just for fun. I have many complains but overall it's a good game anyway. Awkward progression, too many minigames, slow development, new saves every update. Yea, it's not perfect but in many other aspects it's unique and well made. We have very few adult games of this scale and quality in general, even less in slow burn department so having it abandoned would be bad for the community. I'm happy it's still in active development, not like it cost me anything to check progress time to time. It's getting to the point where it's worth playing it all over again for me. Not supporting this game like 99% of those who left infuriated messages here. What else is there to play similar to this? Bunch of "very promising" meet and fuck AI generated 10min long games? Or some very old games that are developed in a similar manner? Did you hear the rattle? Dr.Bones got revived again by some nasty necromancy. Go check progress he is making. My opinion on his games is about the same, development is better than abandoned.
If you want to praise the game go right ahead, nobody is stopping you. Others may feel very differently and nobody is stopping them either.
That said, people aren't bitching cause the game has no redeeming qualities. They're annoyed that it's in a shit state for 9 years of development.
 

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If you want to praise the game go right ahead, nobody is stopping you. Others may feel very differently and nobody is stopping them either.
That said, people aren't bitching cause the game has no redeeming qualities. They're annoyed that it's in a shit state for 9 years of development.
Exactly this. In fact, we're angry because it has so many redeeming qualities. Siserg, their artist, walked away while things were happening and built a whole damn game in the interim. How could it be possible to mishandle this game so badly?
 
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If you want to praise the game go right ahead, nobody is stopping you. Others may feel very differently and nobody is stopping them either.
That said, people aren't bitching cause the game has no redeeming qualities. They're annoyed that it's in a shit state for 9 years of development.
Am I really praising it by stating the fact that it is better than 95% of "1 month solo project, throw-away" games on f95? Many people who complain here actually say that way, and a lot of it is just plain false. I think like quarter of complains in this thread in general are about it not being "meet and fuck" type. "Played for 10 hours and it left me blue balled, worst game ever, give me another 10 hours of content" can't have enough of those comments. Do you really think it would be good to submit to majority?
Is this game really in shit state? I had good time playing it for many hours even before old story stopped, good writing, actual story, interesting characters, nice artwork, gameplay, tolerable bugs. Can't say the same about some other 5star "one in a lifetime miracle" games.
I just want to be the voice of reason to balance the opinion away from complete hate to probably disappointment. Game is really not that bad. And I don't agree with what majority wants in this game.
10 years of development? I'm not really itching to play it all this time. I'm just a consumer, it's not my problem when there are so many other things to do.
 

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Am I really praising it by stating the fact that it is better than 95% of "1 month solo project, throw-away" games on f95? Many people who complain here actually say that way, and a lot of it is just plain false. I think like quarter of complains in this thread in general are about it not being "meet and fuck" type. "Played for 10 hours and it left me blue balled, worst game ever, give me another 10 hours of content" can't have enough of those comments. Do you really think it would be good to submit to majority?
Is this game really in shit state? I had good time playing it for many hours even before old story stopped, good writing, actual story, interesting characters, nice artwork, gameplay, tolerable bugs. Can't say the same about some other 5star "one in a lifetime miracle" games.
I just want to be the voice of reason to balance the opinion away from complete hate to probably disappointment. Game is really not that bad. And I don't agree with what majority wants in this game.
10 years of development? I'm not really itching to play it all this time. I'm just a consumer, it's not my problem when there are so many other things to do.
This is so full of strawmen that I'm honestly not sure what to reply, or if I should bother at all.

Nobody is comparing Innocent Witches to throw-away projects since nobody cares about those. If there was no potential here this thread would have died 3 pages in. People are venting because this could be great but isn't.

Likewise, nobody is asking for a "meet and fuck" game. I doubt anyone has actually asked for one of those in like a decade. There is a huge difference between expecting instant action after 3 clicks and expecting at least some kind of action after hours of clicking and reading. I'm sure you're aware of that.

Lastly, you're not "the voice of reason" and neither am I. We're both just commenters in a thread that the game's devs couldn't care less about. If you're enjoying the game then good for you. I would like to enjoy it too but I can't in its current state.
 
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Likewise, nobody is asking for a "meet and fuck" game.
Need few examples? Or maybe 20? :D You are showing reasonable approach and this thread was really lacking this recently. It was mostly, every one who throws rocks and say any kind of shit gets upvoted and everyone who say something opposite are bullied because they did not pick correct words (like you just did with "voice of reason" like you don't get that I'm talking about balance of opinions when there is none). Those positive messages have a point as well, people refuse to see it. Not a fan of this hive mind behavior, can get very far from reality.
 
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Am I really praising it by stating the fact that it is better than 95% of "1 month solo project, throw-away" games on f95? Many people who complain here actually say that way, and a lot of it is just plain false. I think like quarter of complains in this thread in general are about it not being "meet and fuck" type. "Played for 10 hours and it left me blue balled, worst game ever, give me another 10 hours of content" can't have enough of those comments. Do you really think it would be good to submit to majority?
Is this game really in shit state? I had good time playing it for many hours even before old story stopped, good writing, actual story, interesting characters, nice artwork, gameplay, tolerable bugs. Can't say the same about some other 5star "one in a lifetime miracle" games.
I just want to be the voice of reason to balance the opinion away from complete hate to probably disappointment. Game is really not that bad. And I don't agree with what majority wants in this game.
10 years of development? I'm not really itching to play it all this time. I'm just a consumer, it's not my problem when there are so many other things to do.
It's not a very good game, by any reasonable metric. Just because it's not the worst game ever doesn't mean it's good.

It should just be finished by now, whatever it is, because whatever this is isn't a complicated game. It's a basic dating sim with some light inventory management that uses an existing intellectual property, including its premise, setting, magic system, and several characters as a springboard. Given most of the creative work is in fact already provided for the devs, and they're not programming anything innovative whatsoever, there's next to no reason this should take this long. Just by its own virtue, it shouldn't take nearly 10 years to make this game.

Point and click adventure games, dating sims and visual novels date back to the early 1980s, and Innocent Witches brings nothing new to the genre. So if they're not developing new systems, creating a setting or new characters, or even creating a particularly interesting story, what are they doing? Where did all the time go? In a couple years of dedication to learning programming and game development, this sort of game should be child's play. Outside the art assets, this kind of game should take a year or two tops to complete if there was any sort of professional standards possessed by the devs. Who are accepting patreon money, I might add. The lack of integrity here is astounding.
 

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Hey, do you have access to fix release 0.12-alpha-fix1?
Actual version is unstable in general (I know is alpha) and throw some exceptions.
 
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Am I really praising it by stating the fact that it is better than 95% of "1 month solo project, throw-away" games on f95? Many people who complain here actually say that way, and a lot of it is just plain false. I think like quarter of complains in this thread in general are about it not being "meet and fuck" type. "Played for 10 hours and it left me blue balled, worst game ever, give me another 10 hours of content" can't have enough of those comments. Do you really think it would be good to submit to majority?
Is this game really in shit state? I had good time playing it for many hours even before old story stopped, good writing, actual story, interesting characters, nice artwork, gameplay, tolerable bugs. Can't say the same about some other 5star "one in a lifetime miracle" games.
I just want to be the voice of reason to balance the opinion away from complete hate to probably disappointment. Game is really not that bad. And I don't agree with what majority wants in this game.
10 years of development? I'm not really itching to play it all this time. I'm just a consumer, it's not my problem when there are so many other things to do.
Write so much lame BS and for what? To defend one of the most obvious scum projects in the history of adult games? Lol) People are disappointed that a miracle didn't happen and this game is still unfinished, underdevelloped mess with a riddiculous progress for more than 10 years. I just want to be the voice of reason - what a joke :KEK:
 

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I don't understand it. I'm on chapter 1.6. It tells me to go to Hagrid's house at night, but it won't let me go in any way (I've already dressed up twice with Polyjuice and I have the photos, but I can't move on from that point).
 

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yes, Go ahead and add a bunch of pointless crap - just don’t add any new scenes.
0. All the fixes, adjustments and additions that were implemented in 0.11.3-beta are also present in 0.12-alpha.
1. Added Act 2 Chapter 2 with new main story events.
2. Added a new fullscreen scene as a part of the events in Act 2 Chapter 2.
3. Added Act 2 Chapter 3 with new main and side activities.
4. Added a new repeatable fullscreen scene as a part of the events in Act 2 Chapter 3.
5. Added Live2D animations for the aforementioned scene.
6. Updated and reintegrated part of the existing main fullscreen scenes with prefects (part of one for each), with more coming to them in 0.12-beta.
7. Added Act 2 Chapter 4 sandbox for side activities and events. This chapter will be expanded with new content in 0.12-beta.
8. Added progressive unlocks and customization for Gryffindor main menu background featuring Hermione Granger, similar to how it works for Ravenclaw version.
9. Added informal dialogues with Parvati Patil in Act 2 Chapter 3 and forward.
10. Added informal dialogues with Hannah Abbott in Act 2 Chapter 3 (it's possible to summon her if Susan is chosen as your waifu).
11. Added new music tracks for Trelawney, Creevey, Fletcher and McGonagall.
12. Added multiple new music tracks for story events.
13. Added a new music track for updated Gryffindor main menu background.
14. Updated visuals for "Ravenclaw Dorms" location in new plot.
15. Updated visuals for "Gryffindor Boys Dorms" location in new plot.
16. Implemented other various fixes and adjustments based on the reports from our players (thanks! <3).
Bro, it's crazy. It's been beyond obvious for years now that they're just milking their Patreons and trying justify it as a "slow burn". A slow burn is a few new H-scenes every 4-5 months, not every 2 years. They're twiddling their thumbs, collecting their money, and adding unnecessary new "content" to keep up the illusion that they're doing something in order to draw this out as long as possible to keep milking. It's a joke. I literally haven't downloaded a new version in years because my old version is basically the same.
 

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Bro, it's crazy. It's been beyond obvious for years now that they're just milking their Patreons and trying justify it as a "slow burn". A slow burn is a few new H-scenes every 4-5 months, not every 2 years. They're twiddling their thumbs, collecting their money, and adding unnecessary new "content" to keep up the illusion that they're doing something in order to draw this out as long as possible to keep milking. It's a joke. I literally haven't downloaded a new version in years because my old version is basically the same.
I will keep posting this until it becomes synonymous with the game. These developers are the pioneers of most, if not all, the scummy behavior that plagues the Porn VN space that we are in. And later were adopted by other developers because they saw these guys get away with it. And let's not forget to place an ever greater portion of the blame on the equally guilty people that keep paying them for this blatant scum.
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These developers are the pioneers of most, if not all, the scummy behavior that plagues the Porn VN space that we are in. And later were adopted by other developers because they saw these guys get away with it.
Nah.
While they certainly are a prime example, they're not the root of all evil.

The reason for all the endless milking is Patreon and other sites that sprung up later and copied the model.
Patreon rewards you for having a popular game in development. It does not reward you for ever finishing that game. In fact it sort of punishes you, unless you already have an equally promising project in the works.
It should have been a milestone model from the very beginning, at least for games. With a subscription you just incentivize developers to drag out their projects for as long as enough people are willing to put up with it.
 
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Nah.
While they certainly are a prime example, they're not the root of all evil.

The reason for all the endless milking is Patreon and other sites that sprung up later and copied the model.
Patreon rewards you for having a popular game in development. It does not reward you for ever finishing that game. In fact it sort of punishes you, unless you already have an equally promising project in the works.
It should have been a milestone model from the very beginning, at least for games. With a subscription you just incentivize developers to drag out their projects for as long as enough people are willing to put up with it.
I agree with you about Patreon, but they could have finished a portion of this game years ago and still continue producing it. They could have given their patrons multitudes of scenes spanning many different settings and locations. Instead 7 years now, they gave jack shit to the main girls and they keep juggling them to the stupid people that keep paying them. There is no unwritten law that says once you make a blowjob scene for a girl for example that you can't make another one in a different setting under a different context. They could have done that, but instead they made lackluster content for the elf, Xandria, Parvati, that new blonde girl, and that guide girl instead. I would sleep better at night if, by some miracle, Patreon nuked their page. And all of a sudden we would see new scenes, magically start coming every month instead of "dynamic hand gestures''
 

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well they had sex content with most girls back in 10.x but felt that it was too soon so it was remake time.
 
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