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This situation with Elena behind Layla route, is the same feeling no matter how much of a bro to Zach you act, ends in betrayal for plot continuity.
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Yes but I mean the way Nyx deals with the drama was so anticlimactic, it was just sad and out of character (it is so bland that MC is daydreaming Elena for a day and thinks he gotta keep his integrity?!). Just fuck Layla and deal with it later no big deal man, it is not like Layla is so prude and losing her virginity is a big deal. The main appeal of this game for me is that we will be constantly having Melissa and Emily pool moment misunderstandings and things will be so fucked that it will be dramatic to see them become unfucked. That was an easy way out, I am just disappointed.
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Bro Nyx is playing in another frequency.
Just like this.
Look,but don't touch
Touch, but don't taste
Taste, but don't swallow
While I agree seemed the MC's feeling Elena start to show up really fast and probably make more sense to have sex with Layla and deal with it later once he figures things out as he would probably be confused or uncertain at that point.
I do like the fact that you get the option to turn down Layla because I don't think the MC is ever really an asshole on purpose unless you are playing a route that involves cheating on purpose. So to me this option feels like something the MC would do as well. Both options make sense to me. The only part to me that can make this option not make that much sense is how fast it seems his feeling started to show with Elena.
Also I do think Layla would think losing her virginity is a little bit of a big deal even if she isnt a prude. Which is another reason I actually like the option to turn her down even if it makes her cry. As to me it shows the MC has some balls even if he lead her on for to long if you going that route. But it makes her crying scene mean that much more to me.
Now this is all just all my opinion just felt like sharing mine and I respect yours hell yours probably does make alot more sense than mine since I always saw Layla as nothing more than a friend for the MC and only played her path to see the content.
I'm 100% in favor of world-expanding and showing different aspects of characters; however to me, there is no balance to be had here. I mean in a vacuum there is, but I already know ahead of time the game will never actually cross a certain line, so those scenes/storylines kinda fall on deaf ears.
In other words, once a game explicitly draws the boundaries as "There will never be a sex scene between npcs", it's impossible to try and achieve any kind of believeable story past that in a romantic context; it's just all aboard the harem express and have fun with the fantasy.....(I'm not saying that's a bad thing! Depends on my mood for what I play, but you can't have your cake and eat it too)
So that's why I'm saying these scenes feel weird. They're very obviously leading to a setup I know won't happen. If Nyx really wants to tell a story she needs to cast away the harem chains.
Exactly - these examples are exactly what I mean. Seems like she (nyx) just loves to troll people.
Another case - myself I hate incest and would have no problem if it never appeared again, but based on dialogue choices she wants the player to think there's some kind of non-platonic relationship brewing with the mom; yet simultaneously declaring this will never be a thing. I can see how players who want these relationships to materialize would feel let down or baited.
wow I need to not write posts at 6 am after just waking up, half of this isn't readable at all lol
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I am not sure but the way I see it MC is meant to be a manwhore anyway for all things to become "intertwined" for max drama. The player agency comes to a point whether MC is a chaotic good womanizer or a straight up douche. Yes you can play solo LI for the sake of it but what is the point of the AVN then? I look at MC as a young stud in a candy store who has a way with women but too young to decide on which is his favorite so he lets time decide. That supposedly good guy inner conscience talks seldomly to MC when he is mingling with all those women anyway, so what is the reason for that exception I ask myself. Even then if I were to scrap the whole plot and make a game centered around love triangle of MC, Layla and Elena, this plot development is kind of weak. The problem arises from the fact that we need to get sexually involved with Layla to get to Elena so the noble MC argument is not compelling. Branching had to happen way before if that was the case, so right now we branch out but miss out on all the drama if Elena route is over after we sleep with Layla. So that plot design was inconsistent with all 11 episodes I mean that's why I am disappointed by it.
Additionally my understanding is that Layla is highly selective in terms of who she has a relationship with, that may be the result of her mother having a direct hold on her many aspects of life. She is not prude but she doesn't (can't) have sex just for the sake of it but it doesn't mean she will marry her first partner, you know what I'm saying. So it is best that she does that with MC, a male she adores and trusts and MC is like I can't take your virginity cuz I might not "only" love you. Dude she didn't ask for any commitments haha. Not sleeping with her at that point would do her more harm and damage her self-confidence and view against men.
All that ramble may come from as I was in a similar situation as MC a couple of years back, I had become close friends with my flirt's bff and somehow thought we were a good match from time to time and had sexual thoughts but never acted upon them. So I didn't dump my flirt just for the whim of another possible romance. So that may be why I find this unsatisfying and unrealistic.
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I'm with you till about doing just for the sake of Mc good guy.
This story makes obvious that most LI have some baggage or previous relationship.
Layla is fulfilling the route for romantic bros endgame crashing and burning with situations going foward.
Gives me a very bad taste takin Layla V just because our bland boring Mc is the only male reasonably sane in the roster presented.
Why cant Zach be a rival best friend going to date Layla in some situation if you dump her?
Cuz the writing made him a annoying brat.
I'm in for more drama, that's why I like this AVN, it has been full of twists and ups and downs. But dev has chosen minimal NTR route so your recommendation is not happening. My critique is not about what should have been done differently but what is not consistent with previous 11 chapters. It was made clear that MC is the primary male in both Layla and Elena's life and that is OK but Nyx had to build more drama before reaching that climax imo. That trio dynamic shattered prematurely.
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Damn this ntr debate again.
Let me say this, if you turn a LI down and she hook up is just a very organic situation. NOT ntr. I hate that a love interest moving foward and having agency is being knitted as Ntr.
Just write in a very direct and honest way.
What is more natural than a ditched Layla try to find a way to hurt Mc or self destruct doing something like.
Dating Zach
Sure he is a trash option. But this is because the Nyx made him like this.
Dude I am not against your opinion, hell yes it would make a better AVN and I don't like that fact that every male interacting with MC's sphere of sexual influence would be considered NTR but it is what it is in adult/porn gaming scene. I use it as a figure of speech as what most denote this concept to be and devs are not keen on changing their plot design after like 5 years so, I evaluate the latest episode in accordance to the previous ones and feels weird regardless.
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You are correct, maybe is the medium catering to much into a trope. Or the inability, lack of experience from the writer.
Imagine how interesting my suggestion could be.
A Revengeful Lay hook with Zach strings him along, keep him on a strong leash.
Keeping him close just to create drama.
No sex for him. Because is a drama situation using him as a tool.
Yes I agree. It would be dope, may feel strange at first but it would be a part of character development which felt lacking for the last couple of episodes. That's why I'm learning Blender
after reading your second reply i think a big part of my opinion being so different is the way I play since I always go single / solo LI in these games unless I literally get into too deep before I can make a proper decision while learning about the said LI or I just want to see things blow up in the MC"s face. But that style of play is rare for me only maybe 5 or less AVN"s ive played like that.
This is what I'm getting at in why the current interactions feel "weird". Because organically they'd lead to something, but we know they won't, so it's immersion breaking.
Trying to tell love and sex stories without any potential partner ever having any involvement with anyone else would be like trying to tell a war story where no one on your side ever dies. You could do it, but after awhile it would start to get extremely boring and predictable, and severely limit how creative the tale could be.
The analogous war story to the Intertwined dialogues I've spoke about would be "Well, it's not looking good, your squad leader had to lead a frontal assault on a heavily defended position" while you know ahead of time no one dies, so there's zero tension and drama in them mentioning that.
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Question, in The current version can you have a relationship with elena? Or is it just The smal flirting?
you mingle but no official relationship, not even a planned one on one date yet.
I'm going to do my best to be vague Not yet but you can follow her path in this update and see her topless in the pool. But following her path the MC makes a decision that may have consequences to building a relationship with her or not we wont know till we get some updates. But some people speculate it will lead to making your relationship worst as it would make the most sense.
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