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Didn't you just say people play games to make them feel good? At the very least, the games we choose suggest what kind of behaviors/activities/fantasies make us "feel good." We live in a world where an author's motivation is often questioned, so "armchair psychology" is something quite common. People often try to get some sense of why people make the choices they do.

In any case, many of us just want to experience the VN as the developer intended, without a lot of protest and interference.

Like I said before. I'm not arguing what kind of topics should be in games, just that not every game needs to match one group's particular desire. I'm not the one arguing for one genre to rule them all, I like diversity. No need to get up in arms.

And look, I'm not even going to ridicule or insult you for misspelling ridicule. Sometimes typos happen.

The use of the term "gestapo" implies that you think you are being oppressed like European Jews in Nazi Germany. If that were true, you probably wouldn't have the freedom to post your thoughts and frustrations on forums like these. I've found that most people who toss "woke" and "SJW" around like to claim that they are being silenced by some monolithic Left, while missing the irony of posting about it.

So please, just let the Intertwined be the game Nyx wants to create and if you are unhappy with that, if it's not your thing, just move along.
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I don't have a problem with Nyx doing the game he wants, I have a problem with you and your mates, insulting people here because their tastes in porn games are not "progressive" enough.

So please, just let the the other users of this forum like and dislike what they want, ask the devs for the content they want if they are supporters, and if you are unhappy with that, if it's not your thing, just move along.
 
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How about this?
This discussion stops now or I'll ask the mod to lock this thread until the release, that simple! And trust me, I will take my time, I'm not the one who has to wait!
You can discuss the game but don't insult other's tastes/preferences/believes whatever... This is ridiculous.
I guess...i wouldn't mind. :censored:
 

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The sisters are great, both at home and in that home away from home.
Nice adventure with the option in the plane .. in the long run, Alex is worth it all.
But hurting her is also jarring .. like .. lighten up, dude, she your GF now, be in her corner!
How about this?
This discussion stops now or I'll ask the mod to lock this thread until the release, that simple! And trust me, I will take my time, I'm not the one who has to wait!
You can discuss the game but don't insult other's tastes/preferences/believes whatever... This is ridiculous.
Thank you for the awesome babes and the tough decisions to stick to the obvious fantastic you got.
Alex 4 the win!
 

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What about a debate about the game, to clean the bad taste in the mouth from the previous pages of the thread?

I'm thinking about the shitty role of most of the men in this game. First, a disclaimer: I'm not trying to make a complaint about sexism in games, as if I were a feminist. But I don't like that all men that have an important role in the plot, except the MC, are assholes to a greater or lesser degree.

I don't think that is sexism. It´s just a way to make the MC look better in contrast with the rest of the men. And It´s OK. I just think that Nyx overdoes it. That's my problem with that. For example, Zach is an OK character. It´s the goofy sidekick whose clumsiness with the girls makes the MC look more attractive. We have seen that in a lot of movies and TV shows. Maybe he could be more funny, but it's OK. But... Why the MC has to bump into aggressive bullies that beat him up TWICE in two different schools of two different cities? Twice, the MC has to defend a girl from stalkers in their school and he's beaten up... In real life, that kind of continuous fights and harassment only happens in schools of slums with boys and girls from troubled families (alcoholic parents and things like that), that have only learned to relate to others through aggressiveness... I don't think is the case of the schools of the MC.

It's Ok if that scene happens once. It's a dramatic scene: the MC being the white knight and suffering for that. But... twice? The second one could have been less dramatic and more realistic: the MC receives a practical joke from the bullies. For example, they ambush him near the school and attack him with paintball guns, or just water balloons. That kind of crude jokes are more realistic in teenagers that just thrashing another guy, like if they were characters of "The Sopranos". The MC arrives late to class, with his clothes ruined and in an angry mood, is a bit of a smartass with the teacher, and is sent to the principal's office, who is more sympathetic with him...

And... the big problem of most of the main girls has to be stalkers or asshole boyfriends? Layla, Cara, Erynn, Nikky... In my experience, the main problems of the girls usually come from other girls: jealousy, envy, grudges between friends... That part of the fight of Erynn and Alexis would be realistic.

The same with Ethan, the main "enemy" of the MC so far. He was an asshole at 16. It´s OK, it´s called immaturity. But he´s now 22 or 23 and has become a delinquent that should be in jail. Why? Just because he's born that way? Villains that are evil just because are evil are not interesting. Interesting antagonists has reasons to be like they are. And have some kind of attractiveness, even for his victims. Why Erynn is around him since she was 16 if he's such an obvious asshole? Even Alexis, her best friend, hates him.

In real life, Erynn would have kicked him out of her life when she was 16 or 17, and being pretty and all, she would have found better boys to hang around with. Ethan should have some kind of personal attractive to maintain Erynn close. They could have developed some kind of hate/love relationship, or something. It would be a more interesting antagonist and would make the MC to work hard to "defeat" him. Being just and asshole, Ethan is not interesting character, just a punching-bag for the MC.

And the story of the MC's adoptive dad being (again) such a huge asshole that cheats on his fiancée the day before his wedding, the way the MC discovers it, and the reaction of Andres punching his own son... is really far fetched too...

Anyway, all this is not really important. The main attractive of this game are the "slices of life": the scenes and situations of the day to day of the MC with the girls: hanging around school with Layla and Elena, going to concerts with Alexis, going to run with Nikki and things like that. The male antagonists, the story of the parents of the MC and the drama are not so important. It's just soap opera material. The game could be just the MC hanging around with the girls and having funny, sweet and sexy moments with them, and I would be OK with that. Actually, I would like the game even more. About the next update, I want to know what happens in that training camp with Elena and Layla, not who is the real father of the MC or what is going to happen with Ethan ;)
 
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Well .. it is all about perspectives and the mingling of eyes wide open or shut.

Andres is not a bad guy, only he treats MC poorly in the same moments that mattered to him the most.
Then he could not keep it in his pants for the most important day in the lives of those close to him.
Again, flings are no representation of someones temperament, but they hurt the most for those who
wish to go deeper than one time stands every now and then, so him posing like a poster stud
with mariage potential is a major let down.

The bully is not a bad guy, is not even in school, beats MC in the streets, stalks younger gurls to
force himself on them .. he might be a great guy who puts food on the table 4 his ma or sis,
but he is hustling and beating people up to get there, MC being one of the beat up people.

Ethan is not a bad guy, but he is extorting Eyrin and emotionally blackmailing her,
because 4 him, it was the only way to get into her pants, her not wanting to give her body away.

Again, 4 being work buddies, collegues, going out each with their respective other, it might have
worked, but no, Ethan had to force himself onto Eyrin and keep pushing her away and further away.

We are seeing glimpses of life, not actual daily relationship building scenarios.

What about a debate about the game, to clean the bad taste in the mouth from the previous pages of the thread?

I'm thinking about the shitty role of most of the men in this game. First, a disclaimer: I'm not trying to make a complaint about sexism in games, as if I were a feminist. But I don't like that all men that have an important role in the plot, except the MC, are assholes to a greater or lesser degree.

I don't think that is sexism. It´s just a way to make the MC look better in contrast with the rest of the men. And It´s OK. I just think that Nyx overdoes it. That's my problem with that. For example, Zach is an OK character. It´s the goofy sidekick whose clumsiness with the girls makes the MC look more attractive. We have seen that in a lot of movies and TV shows. Maybe he could be more funny, but it's OK. But... Why the MC has to bump into aggressive bullies that beats him up TWICE in two different schools of two different cities? Twice the MC has to defend a girl from stalkers in her school and it´s beaten up... In real life, that kind of continuous fights and harassment only happens in schools of slums with boys and girls from troubled families (alcoholic parents and things like that), that have only learned to relate to others through aggressiveness... I don't think is the case of the schools of the MC.

It's Ok if that happens once. It's a dramatic scene: the MC being the white knight and suffering for that. But... twice? The second one could have be less dramatic and more realistic: the MC receives a practical joke from the bullies. For example, they ambush him near the school and attack him with paintball guns, or just water balloons. That kind of crude jokes are more realistic in teenagers that just thrashing another guy, like if they were characters of "The Sopranos". The MC arrives late to class with his clothes ruined and in an angry mood, is a bit of a smartass with the teacher and is sent to the principal's office, that is more sympathetic with him...

And... the big problem of most of the main girls has to be stalkers or asshole boyfriends? Layla, Cara, Erynn, Nikky... In my experience, the main problems of the girls usually comes from other girls: jealousy, envy, grudges between friends... That part of the fight of Erynn and Alexis would be realistic.

The same with Ethan, the main "enemy" of the MC so far. He was an asshole at 16. It´s OK, it´s called immaturity. But he´s now 22 or 23 and has become a delinquent that should be in jail. Why? Just because he's born that way? Villains that are evil just because are evil are not interesting. Interesting antagonists has reasons to be like they are. And have some kind of attractiveness, even for his victims. Why Erynn is around him since she was 16 if he's such an obvious asshole? Even Alexis, her best friend, hates him.

In real life, Erynn would have kicked him out of her life when she was 16 or 17, and being pretty and all, she would have found better boys to hang around with. Ethan should have some kind of personal attractive to maintain Erynn close. They could have developed some kind of hate/love relationship, or something. It would be a more interesting antagonist and would make the MC to work hard to "defeat" him. Being just and asshole, Ethan is not interesting character, just a punching-bag for the MC.

The story of the MC's adoptive dad being (again) such an asshole that cheats on his fiancee the day before his wedding, and the way the MC discovers it, is far fetched too...

Anyway, all this is not really important. The main attractive of this game are the "slices of life": the scenes and situations of the day to day of the MC with the girls: hanging around school with Layla and Elena, going to concerts with Alexis, going to run with Nikki and things like that. The male antagonists, the story of the parents of the MC and the drama are not so important. About the next update, I want to know what happens in that camp of track and running with Elena and Layla, not who is the real father of the MC or what is going to happen with Ethan ;)
This does not mean what MC does to Eyrin, his mom or Alex is ok, but we are working through that.
 
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Well .. it is all about perspectives and the mingling of eyes wide open or shut.

Andres is not a bad guy, only he treats MC poorly in the same moments that mattered to him the most.
Then he could not keep it in his pants for the most important day in the lives of those close to him.
Again, flings are no representation of someones temperament, but they hurt the most for those who
wish to go deeper than one time stands every now and then, so him posing like a poster stud
with mariage potential is a major let down.

The bully is not a bad guy, is not even in school, beats MC in the streets, stalks younger gurls to
force himself on them .. he might be a great guy who puts food on the table 4 his ma or sis,
but he is hustling and beating people up to get there, MC being one of the beat up people.

Ethan is not a bad guy, but he is extorting Eyrin and emotionally blackmailing her,
because 4 him, it was the only way to get into her pants, her not wanting to give her body away.

Again, 4 being work buddies, collegues, going out each with their respective other, it might have
worked, but no, Ethan had to force himself onto Eyrin and keep pushing her away and further away.

We are seeing glimpses of life, not actual daily relationship building scenarios.



This does not mean what MC does to Eyrin, his mom or Alex is ok, but we are working through that.
Wow just played this game yesterday, what a great game, will have to definitely go back & change that option to hook up with that random girl in the bar bathroom, since she rats you out at the bustop ruining your relationship with step sisters. Also want to know if there were any missed sexy scenes with Alex’s mom (the hot redhead) dean of the university? She’s smoking hot
 
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All I know is we can be with Alex and / or her sis ... mom is just there to put some ants in our pants.
Wow just played this game yesterday, what a great game, will have to definitely go back & change that option to hook up with that random girl in the bar bathroom, since she rats you out at the bustop ruining your relationship with step sisters. Also want to know if there were any missed sexy scenes with Alex’s mom (the hot redhead) dean of the university? She’s smoking hot
 

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Working on the "game" night scenes at training camp. It's going okay, not as fast as I want though. Mostly because it has 6 characters in it. I wanted to have 2 more at first, but my computer said hell no to that. Crashes, crashes, and more crashes. So I had to cut those 2 out (they were minor characters, no biggie but still fun to have them there because of certain interactions). I also try to point the camera as much as possible to the fewest characters possible, so I don't have to create 3-4 renders for 1 image.
I really should reinstall Daz because it crashes so often lately. But I'll wait until after the release or even until I have new hardware since the reinstall will take a pretty long time.
I'll be working quite a few days on this particular scene since it's pretty big and has a few choice-related scenes in it.
Also. Next week I'll be gone for 3 days, business trip for my daytime job. Either no progress update next week or I'll post it at a later day in the week, depending on how much is done and if I have something to mention.
 

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Anything you need, NyxValeria , just keep on your path and bang out those scenes.
We would not mind some more 1 on 1 scenes with each and every gurl in this game,
getting one out to lunch, another out to dibnner, some sweet breackfast, other on picnic,
clubbing with Eyrin, bar hopping with Alex, maybe ball room dancing with Eyrin mom ...
 
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Women are not human beings here. Women, here, are CHARACTERS OF A VIDEOGAME. We are not talking about real life here. People has all the right to reject everything that remotely looks like NTR IN A VIDEOGAME.

People playing, in this forum of pirated porn games, to be social justice warriors, "progressive", or whatever, and from his ivory tower of moral superiority launch pleadings about the rights of women, lesbians, gays or whatever, are just plain ridiculous. Don't you realize that you are fighting for the civil rights of IMAGINARY CHARACTERS?

If you want that a Li that you discarded to become a nun and don't have sex with anyone in life, it's OK. If you don't want to see that your Li becomes a lesbian, it's OK. If you don't want to see gays, it's OK. If you don't want any kind of content that can reminds you NTR, it´s OK. If you want to play the bad guy and fuck every women, impregnate them, and leave, it's OK. BECAUSE IT'S A FUCKING PORN GAME.

So shut up now, you shitty SJW of porn games. :LOL::ROFLMAO:
dude if you consider me a SJW i think you need to recenter your life! yes its a game and i enjoy it greatly but i do not enjoy the concept of human beings being chatel! i defend your right to play the game as you see fit my i will draw the line on the sand when you try trough whining to create a game that only you can enjoy!

If you check my initial posts in this thread i had like 14 facepalms on one when i defended a corruption path for Erynn even Nyx came down on my ass and called me out as an asshole misogynist so .... hardly a SJW but the NTR crew and the anti ntr crew are always trying to force developers to create the games they want instead of the games they are creating!

You play as you like in accordance with the limitations of the developer but do not try to impose your point of view down everyone else´s throat!

as stated in the post you quoted "if you have no interest in a LI" which i believed you probably skiped! the way i see this kind of games its rl simulations (probably on easy mode regarding sex but still simulators...) so how you choose to behave trains your brain on how to act! ofc my 1st playtrough i always play the asshole because that is who i am in RL and its too late to change! But after that i play as a completionist and therefore i get to see all the other points of views to try and get a more balanced view of the story!

As for shutting up no i will not aslong as you keep acting like a spoiled brat! lucky for you i have a work and have only 2-3 days a week to come here and enjoy the company! i would prefer if your company would be polite and pleasurable i already have to deal with idiots and asshole on a daily work basis i do not need that in my leisure time! so best regards and try to grow up!
For me its funny to see people writing things like this guy you mentioned wrote.
Games in general work with a "semi real life logic", where real life its just a base to work with, the rest its obviously unrealisct to give the player the sensation of being powerful, of being in control and to have the felling to "live" in a reality that doesnt exist at all, its like playing GTA, you kill dozens of people, kill police officers, steal cars and etc, its fun this way, a game with a 100% real life logic would be boring as fuck...
With porn this kind of characteristic is even more extreme because it will work with all sort of kinks and fetishes, I understand that some people like to see their LI being fucked, being kissed or they like to feel the thrill of their LI almost being stolen from them, some want competition and etc..... and some others like to see the girls they didnt choose "having a life" (a.k.a having other men)... its okay, nothing wrong with that, but this is also a kind of fetish, since the characters are not live beings and dont actually have a life, so real life logic doesnt aply here as they are aplied in real life...its a game... its a porn game! Doesnt make any sense work with real life logic here.

About the NTR topic, Well, what is more important here, Google/Site/RL definitions or what people feel when they are playing? I think it is the second option, and i think the dev's must have a clear view of their target audience, and what they expect from the game and what will trigger them (and not only patrons)... its really worth risk the game's health or scare potential patrons because the dev wants to "NTR"-punish players for their choices in game?
I think that there are better ways to punish players then throwing something that can be seen as NTR by many....if this game was some other kind of game i would not say anything about it.
I dont know what is coming in our way here, if it is really something bad or not, but the only other thing i have to say about this is, Good Luck for the Dev, i never saw Google/real life difinitions or excuses as "it was just a truth or dare kiss" saving anyone here.
the guy he quoted as written over 300 original jokes for several of these games so if you enjoy the comedy part of vn´s ...

what i meant and what you and your friend choose to read are clearly at odd´s and since you are not the writer of what was stated who do you think is right?

as for gta i enjoyed it greatly yes its exaggerated but that`s the point of fun!
People play games to enjoy and feel good. If someone don't like some kind of content, like NTR or any form of sharing, lesbianism, gay or other things, who are others to criticize or even insult? Who are those people to extract conclusions about other's personalities in real life? What gives them the right? To be "woke"? It's just as stupid as saying that someone who likes GTA or COD is violent in real life.

I´m new here, but I have already see that there are here a woke gestapo that say people what kind of matters should like in games, and if not, they ridiculice and insult them.
gestapo... gawd i hate commies and yes gestapo where commies they change their mask but never their nature!

i did not try to enforce my point of view on others but some people here choose to go on a crusade for ntr and anti ntr stuff! yes people should play what they enjoy and there should be choices not to be confronted with certain things! but since the update did not even came out people are just jumping into conclusions and try to force their point of view on others! do not poke on me and i will not step down on you!

lets wait for the update and see where it goes i trust nyx to do a good work if she does not i will call her out but even then its just my point of view!

but i do resent being called a sjw just by considering women human beings! me the dude that defended the conservative point of view and their right to have it against the current neo marxist scum stand on the social standing of the family... there is no winning only surviving it seem!
 
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