VN Ren'Py Intertwined [v0.13.1] [Nyx]

[jllkfsdj]

Thanks man, I really don't understand how we came here. I only asked your opinion and gave mine, didn't even try to convince anyone. Anyway, how many punch is enough for Ethan? I think around 50 sounds reasonable.


Thanks man, still have no idea how is this escalated to text wall wars though.

I'm reading your post above my last and I'm agreeing with/liking pretty much with all that you said. Personally I don't mind text wall wars as long as they stay respectful and are debates with both sides providing arguments and insights, even if they are passionate. They keep the mind sharp, the ability to support your belief with well-state argument or evidence is a very good life skill to have. Flame wars and insults are where I draw the line.

 

[valbitterb]

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Im not sure if this was already asked or not. There are almost 1200 pages at this point. Does anybody know if there is a route now or maybe in the future where you get with Melissa or Emily ?

For both Melissa and Emily, there seems to be no possible routes in the future. The developer is not into incest storylines and likes to troll both game fans and game critics, so any Melissa action and incest with your mother is all a big tease.

For Melissa's current game scenes - It's all in her dreams and imagination.
For Emily's current game scenes - It's all teasing by the developer.

 

[jllkfsdj]

For both Melissa and Emily, there seems to be no possible routes in the future. The developer is not into incest storylines and likes to troll both game fans and game critics, so any Melissa action and incest with your mother is all a big tease.

For Melissa's current game scenes - It's all in her dreams and imagination.
For Emily's current game scenes - It's all teasing by the developer.

Personally, I'm all for no-incest in this story. Sure, Melissa is KINDA hot (if you ignore the tats, the short hair and her preference for women; all three being huge turn-offs for me), but I'm happy that the dev is aiming for a more realistic and mature experience with different flavours (and also an experience that won't get him banned from Patreon). Humping your mom or your adopted-mom would just be too weird here and too much one of those adolescent fratboy fantasies shits.

That's why I also hope nothing will be possible with Adriana, she's either the mother of a girl I rejected or the mother of one of the girls I'm dating (worse yet, mother of a girl I'm in serious relationship with and whom I molested by mistake). She's also married, happily at that. Fuck homewreckers, there should be another circle of hell just for them.

 

[Dessolos]

He offered her the phone to call her friend (who he didn't know was Lexi), NOT to snoop through his private shit. This is a big difference.

An example: if you receive your neighbor's mail in your mailbox, you are allowed to give it to him personally (without looking at sender address) instead of giving it to the mailman to go back to post office and be sorted again and then be handed to the mailman again to arrive to the house or apartment next to yours, but you are NOT allowed to open it and read it! In the US it's a federal crime to do that, meaning you can be prosecuted over state lines.
" What's not so widely understood is just how serious the consequences can be. Intentionally opening, intercepting or hiding someone else's mail is the felony crime of mail theft. It comes with some heavyweight penalties, including fines of up to $250,000 and five years' incarceration in a federal prison. "

In regards to going through someone's phone.

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"Although specific laws vary from country to country, going through someone’s phone without permission is illegal. Wiretapping and privacy laws around the world enforce this through criminal charges. Even though tracking someone through cell phones and going through their messages are easier now, it doesn’t mean you can legally do so. Again, going through them without the owner’s permission is illegal"

Permission to go through either his messages or photo gallery was never asked for, much less given.

So, we can see here that not only did Erynn break rules of privacy, she also broke several very serious laws for which she could go to prison. So, yeah, it's not as inconsequential and unimportant as you think to be shrugged off.

Otoh, there is no law out there to criminalize having sex with someone you fancy just because your friend is ambivalent towards them.



uh-huh.... Really?

It's also break of trust. On his phone he had private photos of himself and his girlfriend. He had her NUDES. That she went through! Would you like or tolerate your ex THAT REJECTED YOU going through your phone and oggle your current gf's nude photos? And even use that to fuel some self-righteous fury to tear into that girl? If a guy did that I'd break his nose at the very minimum. He would also instantly stop being my friend and I don't think I'd ever want to repair that friendship again.

And Erynn had the audacity and the gall to go through them, look at them and then the self-righteousness to go and verbally and emotionally attack his girlfriend over her relationship with a man Erynn had no claim over.

Erynn basically did the same to MC&Lexi as Ethan did to her, she violated their sexual privacy and their human rights-given right to have a sexual relationship without outside interference or snooping and not have anyone violate it digitally.

She is no better than Ethan. He recorded her having sex, she snooped through her friend's sexual privacy and violated her right to be nude in private with only a person she chose.



Her original intent means nothing when it changed and became "I'm gonna break his trust and snoop through his private photos because I'm CURIOUS and jealous".



Look, no matter how you turn it, it was NOT. HER. PHONE. IT'S ILLEGAL. She was not supposed to do that, she was only supposed to call her friend. The only reason why she had it in hand was because her friend whom she was just rebuilding friendship with had lent it to her for only calling her friend, whom MC didn't know was Lexi.

Ask yourself: if MC knew that Erynn would snoop through his private photos like a sickly jealous girlfriend and then went on a rampage because of what she saw there, would he still have lent her his phone? Especially without supervision?



No, the issue is not about her not telling him, the problem is she did it in the first place. THAT is the issue. She shouldn't have even done it in the first place!



Yes, you're right, she didn't tell MC and she felt really bad (we can see even before it comes out how it torments her, we don't really see Erynn being haunted by her actions and choices) and she answered for it. She should've told him. In terms of the VN, that would terminate her path at the very start, so I guess she was right not to.

I'll beg for forgiveness for running apologism myself right now for just this once: she knew if MC knew who she was he would reject her and that would've broken her heart. It was underhanded to scam him. BUT! This is where I do apologism myself for a change: it's good that she didn't because due to that we got probably the most interesting, complex and feel-good relationship in the entire game out of it. PLUS. It's also a relationship that is already quite apparently LONGTERM and committed and dedicated, thus it's a good longterm investment and will have fruits. By the end of the current patch MC and Lexi have already discussed MARRIAGE AND CHILDREN. True, mostly jokingly, but they have still nonetheless talked about it and settled on a rough outline (max 10 years before having kids) - compared to every other path where they're still far from it (in some he doesn't even have sex with the LI yet). It may have started with dishonesty and trickery on Lexi's part, but is bearing amazing fruit and when they end up happy, married and with kids, can we really still hold it against her?

Her trickery lead to longterm happiness for at least 3 people, MORE if you count in their parents being happy for their happiness and getting at least 1 grandchild out of it.
Stopping apologism.


Also, MC's relationship with Lexi is the most adult and mature of all his LIs.
None of the other paths can compare or even come close. Least of all Erynn. Both MC and Lexi treat the other as an adult and they are both being very mature as both partners and as individuals. Looking at Layla, Elena, Erynn, Tori, Gabi, Iris paths, we can't say that about none of them.
To quote Iris: "They sound like an old married couple already."
And not because they fight, but because they're that in-tune, relaxed, have easy and easily-given affection and comfortable with each other.

You're right, she lied to Erynn, no apology for that. She should've told her straight out she's going on a date, period. No need to specify with whom, just that she's going with someone else.

The last part is, while MC didn't ask her to keep a secret, Erynn also didn't ask her to let her know when/if MC ever came back. Maybe I'm biased to that point, but I see Lexi not revealing his status because she was treating him like an adult. And adult who can manage and lead his own life and decide on his own about relationships and whom to contact without outside guidance or input. She's not his mother, he's not 12 or mentally/emotionally incapable, he's a fully functioning 18 year old and she is his lover/hookup.

We need to remind ourselves, at that point MC and Lexi were nothing but hookups. They really had no claim on each other, even more, the nature of the relationship demands privacy and discretion. Only later, after the camp, they became gf&bf and at that point they also became obligated to protect each other and care for each other ABOVE OTHERS. Except maybe parents, depending on situation.



I don't know dude, I've felt bad about killing a spider and yet it wasn't really wrong to begin with... In other words, that argument doesn't have a leg to stand on.

Implied promise is nulled here it's implied, not stated, but mainly because of the state of MC's and Erynn's relationship (rather lack thereof), the way it ended and the nature of his relationship with Alexis and the fact that he's told her on the plane that he has reservations about Erynn and didn't really wanna even think about the reunion.

mc "But back then, I just didn't want to hear from her."
a "That reunion will be... Interesting at the very least."
mc "If it's ever going to happen, to begin with..."
a "You don't want to meet her?"
mc "I do but... I'm just not sure, to be honest. I might run into her at some point though... Besides, who says she wants to meet me?"

This is their conversation on the plane, taken direct from rpy file. As we can see MC made it clear he doesn't want to meet Erynn yet, which also includes Erynn finding out he's here cause that would force a reunion. Alexis telling Erynn would've gone directly against his explicitly expressed wish and desire not to run into Erynn yet, until he knows how to handle it.

Sure what you said about the privacy stuff is true. But about the whole phone / privacy thing. I still don't think it's as bad as you made it seem because she didn't steal the phone but that's just my opinion. like I said in my original post I think it's more a matter of our personal pov and believes because with context it isn't black and white that she did something bad / horrible. Because she is only human seeing such a coincidence unfold right in front of her eyes it would be hard not to go against your better judgement and let curiosity win. I would say that would be hard for alot of people not just a fictional character. Not saying that would be a excuse to the law but i'm not trying to bring the law in this argument as to me this more about her character not if she broke the law.

But im a very forgiving person probably too nice of a person and im a non non confrontational person as well. So even if it broke trust for me personally id let it slide if I liked the girl enough. Which is why I think this isnt black and white of her doing something bad / horrible even if the law says so. Because to you she broke trust but I don't see it that way because of the context , the coincidence , and her personal feelings that happened when she was handed the phone. As it didn't feel like she was being jealous more shocked surprised. Again context and our personal pov and believes matter on this particular opinion. If I put myself into the MC's shoes with the knowledge of this situation id agree but I never put myself into the MC's shoe when I play games.

Is still stand by my thoughts of it being an implied promise she broke. Because when you are best friends with someone for 15 years i think certain things would be normal to go by without saying especially when it comes to feeling. Even if it goes against something the MC said on the plane as she hasn't known him nearly as long. Which is why both of them saw it as a lie or something they did wrong even if it wasn't a lie. Yeah would of been much better to have some communication instead of something implied but I think Erynn never knew she liked him alot either which is why she was hurt by it.

I do appreciated your thoughts on the subject even if I don't agree fully. Hope you can see where im coming from on my opinion. As im not trying to change yours but just honestly enjoy having discussions.

Thanks man, I really don't understand how we came here. I only asked your opinion and gave mine, didn't even try to convince anyone. Anyway, how many punch is enough for Ethan? I think around 50 sounds reasonable.

I say 100 but lose count around 50 -60 haha

 

[Maviarab]

Regardless of anything else, been a fascinating conversation guys, wallls of text or not

 

[valbitterb]

 

[LSC82]

Yeah guilty as charged. I tend to do that when I get bored, sorry.


So you are claiming Erynn was so stupid she thought she could keep both bully who refuse to stop and bullied one as a friend, you also are intentionally stuck the situation in a single point. She said if you keep bullying him, we are no longer gonna be friends and he responded it with he won't stop bullying him, this interaction alone should be the end of Ethan Erynn friendship, it was not. She should have noticed when MC was avoiding her, keeping Ethan as a friend is costing her to her friendship with MC, if she was not a moron. So either she is a moron or she chose Ethan over MC. After MC left, which was clear indication that their friendship was lost, she kept Ethan close did not even think to punish him for causing she lost a dear friend. She even did to opposite becoming closer to Ethan and believed his good guy façade. He did the same with all of her friends as he did with MC, she still kept him as a friend. This is not being naive trusting person, this is being idiot or selfish. She did notice Ethan was bad when he became bad to her, it was okay as long as he was bullying others when the table turns, she was okay to ask the help of the person who got bullied.
Now we call this 'cum hoc ergo propter hoc' just because she did not sleep with Ethan, does not mean she was not prioritizing him over MC, completely irrelevant.

I repeatedly said she was dumb and naive, was that not enough for you....
I adamantly deny that she was ill intentioned, or prioritizing Ethan, the game never stops showing how much she cares about the MC both back then and now.
She was naive in thinking this guy could change his ways and become a nicer guy(and she did believe that he changed for awhile).

She fought and argued with him to defend the MC, how is that prioritizing him over the MC?
Again and listen this time, she was dumb and innocent to think she could make Ethan a nicer guy and keep him as friend, but that's the story, i don't see any malice from her, your thing is bred from your prejudice and distaste for the character(you already admitted as much) and not what happens in the story.

And then the MC removed himself from the table and made things easy for Ethan, until Erynn found a different guy(Zane), then Ethan had to go to his tricks.

I don't understand how we look at the same thing and see so much different. Was there misunderstanding and bad timing involved, obviously but there was also series of bad choice from Erynn too. She was aware Ethan was bullying MC, do you deny this? She was also aware Ethan has all the intention to keep bullying MC, do you deny this? She still was friend with him, a close one too bike ridings etc., do you deny this? None of these is related to any misunderstanding or bad timing.
Also are you aware MC got beating from Ethan because he helped Erynn and only saved by Val? You keep repeating it was in the past but it is not. Erynn being close to Ethan is always dangerous to MC, it caused bullying, psychical confrontation, emotional damage etc. in the past and he just reconnected with Erynn and it cost him getting beat up from Ethan. Also one should be imbecile to not understand that Erynn situation brewing more danger to MC and people around him.

I said before if your point was that she brings a lot of baggage and you don't want to deal with it, fine, i won't argue that.
I just don't see malice or ill intent on her side, nor do i think she's lying, no reason to believe that.
I don't know if that makes it better in your eyes or not... but she doesn't seem aware of the extent of his bullying, the only thing she sees is a bit of mockery, not physical stuff.

It is not factually contradict in game, where do you get that? Only thing that support it Erynn's claims and they are not factual, they as subjective as subjectivity goes. Like I said, like already has been said, we see that event from other people's eyes that does not necessarily mean they are true. We are lacking a trustable source of the event but you are appealing to ignorance, this is a logical fallacy. Do you want to trust Erynn? be my guest. I don't trust her and that's it.

Funny because it is factual, it's not just Erynn's recollection, it's a combination of Erynn and MC, there are scenes in there that Erynn wasn't present and was completely unaware.
It is a fact that she argued with Ethan to defend the MC, shortly after they argue Ethan is leaving in an angry manner... Sorry to jump to the logical conclusion, he's leaving(angrily) because he had a bad argument and the girl he's gunning for sided with a little kid over him(way to prioritize ).
If you wanna believe she was lying about that and just having fun with him, well what can i say....

Maybe i should've said no matter how many facts are thrown at you, you don't change your mind.

If you won't change your mind, no matter what, you barely read the things i say (like calling her dumb and naive repeatedly), or just don't pay attention, and you have no arguments beyond "i don't believe her", are we done here? Or do you still feel like saying the last word...

 

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

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Is not Layla too cute? I really like her and act mature if MC choose Alexis over her. Do you think we will have a chance to get Elena path without breaking Layla's heart?

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What the.... are there people who against the MILFs? Outrageous.

I say 100 but lose count around 50 -60 haha

So you think we should make a pulp from him. I agree.

 

[Bombmaster]

Is not Layla too cute? I really like her and act mature if MC choose Alexis over her. Do you think we will have a chance to get Elena path without breaking Layla's heart?

Layla has no drama, so Nyx booby trapped Elena to her.

And yes she is the Princess of this story

 

[Regularus]

The real problem is that she was friends with Ethan at all after knowing that he was bullying a kid. During her flashback of past events, Erynn specifically asks "Why do you always bully him?", which clearly shows that she knows Ethan has been consistently bullying him in the past, and yet she is still hanging out with Ethan daily.

That's exactly the reason i didn't like Erynn.

I could have understood that she wasn't that much of a close friend to the MC, simply because Erynn and the Mc had too much age difference at the time : teens do not hang out with kids but always look to hang out with other teens after all.

Sure teens are stupid as it's part of the growing up process to make mistakes and etc... and learn to not do them again but even as a teen you can choose your friend and who to hang out with.
Erynn perfectly knew the kind of people Ethan was as shown in the dialogue, and she still decided to hang out with him despite everything, it was her decision, and her excuses years later when she explained herself to the MC felt completely flat to me in regards to that .

Now if Erynn didn't had noticed that Ethan had been bullying thekid MC many times , it would have been very different to me in term of appreciating the character or not.
But regardless of what i think of the character, i'm always getting the MC to help her in my playthroughs because it's still so satisfying to get the MC to be able to punch Ethan in the face as much as you want after he rescue Erynn

 

[jllkfsdj]

I still don't think it's as bad as you made it seem because she didn't steal the phone but that's just my opinion.

Well, the law is quite clear about this. She doesn't have to steal the phone, the wording is quite clear that "reading messages without permission is illegal". And that's the only thing cops and judges care about.

Especially with how she reacted and what she DID after doing that.

But im a very forgiving person probably too nice of a person and im a non non confrontational person as well.

Yeah, I get that. But my life experience have forced me to learn the difference between being non-confrontational and letting others walk all over me. I won't go out looking for trouble, but I won't back down if it finds me. Being non-confrontational doesn't mean I have to allow others to do what I dislike or take issue with.

And privacy is extremely important for me, my own privacy and that of my partner who trusts me and relies on me to protect her emotionally and mentally as well and to protect her privacy. When you give someone your nude photo it goes without saying it's not for sharing with others unless expressly permitted. MC fucked up by giving up his phone on which he had something as private as nudes, but Erynn shouldn't have abused having something as private as someone's phone in her hands.

With all the shit that people have on their phones these days, passwords, family photos, correspondence, business and personal messages, nudes, bank cards/payment setups, personal information, BIOMETRIC information, etc. the issue of respecting their privacy and not going through their phone is even more important than it ever was.

Because to you she broke trust but I don't see it that way because of the context , the coincidence , and her personal feelings that happened when she was handed the phone. As it didn't feel like she was being jealous more shocked surprised.

Then why react with such fury and rage if she was only surprised? That kind of reaction is out of proportion. To me she reacted like a jealous/cheated girlfriend would and she really has no right to feel or behave like that and I'm not talking about the past, but simply because of the present when she is barely friends with MC.

Also, isn't the person affected (MC) the only one whose opinion of the action actually matters here? You put Erynn's personal feelings out as the more important ones, but she isn't the victim here. Victims are Lexi and MC.

 

[Bombmaster]

That's exactly the reason i didn't like Erynn.

I could have understood that she wasn't that much of a close friend to the MC, simply because Erynn and the Mc had too much age difference at the time : teens do not hang out with kids but always look to hang out with other teens after all.

Sure teens are stupid as it's part of the growing up process to make mistakes and etc... and learn to not do them again but even as a teen you can choose your friend and who to hang out with.
Erynn perfectly knew the kind of people Ethan was as shown in the dialogue, and she still decided to hang out with him despite everything, it was her decision, and her excuses years later when she explained herself to the MC felt completely flat to me in regards to that .

Still so much satisfying to get the MC to be able to punch Ethan in the face as much as you want after he rescue Erynn

I would pursue Erynn easy if her drama ended there and rolled into Lexi X Erynn situation.
Sure the mistakes of the past can be mended, But you get home with a cockblock dibbs girl that kept making dumb choices.

this is a game,the only reason someone would even think about dating Erynn.

 

[Acsuka]

Layla has no drama, so Nyx booby trapped Elena to her.

And yes she is the Princess of this story

Now I get it... So MC told a joke about the breakup and Layla cried in her room laughing... It's really not a drama...
Maybe you're exaggerating with the princess label?... Or are you just biased?

 

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

Now I get it... So MC told a joke about the breakup and Layla cried in her room laughing... It's really not a drama...
Maybe you're exaggerating with the princess label?... Or are you just biased?

 

[Bombmaster]

Now I get it... So MC told a joke about the breakup and Layla cried in her room laughing... It's really not a drama...
Maybe you're exaggerating with the princess label?... Or are you just biased?

oh im sure biased into team layla, or Elena. the other main girls have some baggage.

I feel her trope is the princess as being the pure one, romantic gf/bf. same age. I could go on.

 

[LSC82]

Is not Layla too cute? I really like her and act mature if MC choose Alexis over her. Do you think we will have a chance to get Elena path without breaking Layla's heart?

Layla is adorable, on that we will agree lol.
I have no idea how a solo Elena path will work, i don't think she'll be eager to jump into the MCs arms after you break poor Layla's heart like that... it's just weird to get with Elena.
I'm more optimistic about a threesome, those girls like to lez out a little bit , and seemed open to sharing until cockblocking Alexis ruined things.

And yes she was very mature.

Layla has no drama, so Nyx booby trapped Elena to her.

And yes she is the Princess of this story

Yeah, her relationship is fully drama free if you kick her sister to the curb, so "what do we do with Elena?" was added...
Personally i don't want Elena if it means losing Layla, but to those that are more into Elena... i don't think the drama free thing is gonna last much longer.

I would pursue Erynn easy if her drama ended there and rolled into Lexi X Erynn situation.
Sure the mistakes of the past can be mended, But you get home with a cockblock dibbs girl that kept making dumb choices.

this is a game,the only reason someone would even think about dating Erynn.

Even a Erynn defender like me will admit that's true, in RL the baggage she comes with is probably too much.
In a game i know there's a happy ending for all the hard work.

Didn't take long...

 

[jllkfsdj]

So you think we should make a pulp from him. I agree.

Dude, save some strength for Zach! He literally betrayed his friend and abandoned him to get fucked up by guys who blatantly had bad intentions. Worse case scenario, MC could've been murdered by those thugs and Zach would've let him die.

Also, what kind of a shitty friend abandons his friend to fight 3 guys alone and even punches him? And all that cause he is just too much of an unstable horndog to make any girl like him?

At first I thought that knifing his car's tires would be enough. But now? Nope, I have to be able to torch the fucking thing and stomp his balls in while he watches it burn.

That's exactly the reason i didn't like Erynn.
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Still so satisfying to get the MC to be able to punch Ethan in the face as much as you want after he rescue Erynn

Same on first point.

Second point: honestly I want to leave Erynn to deal with him herself, sadly that's impossible cause it fucks up your relationship with Lexi, who is too loyal for our own good. xD

Lets be honest, Erynn fucked up. She gave CuntFace power where he had none. When he first blackmailed her she should've gone directly to the cops with it. Or forced his bluff.

So what if he has video of her having sex? So what if he releases it? She's an adult and unless the guy was underaged or married or just really ugly, she has nothing to be ashamed of or to hide. Plus, as a model, she'll eventually be showing all that on camera anyway. xD

That way she would've taken all power he could've had and he would've been left with nothing. The only thing he could've done was release the video, after which he would've had to deal with cops (it's actually easy for cyber police to find out who did it). She would've taken a hit to her reputation for a while, but would be free to live her life and not be under control of a psycho.

Also, kneed him in the balls and then kick him in stomach or teeth when he was laying on the ground. If he called the cops, lmao. What cop would do anything when she tells them she did it cause he was blackmailing her? HE would've been the one taken away in cuffs.

BUT if she WASN'T an adult at that point (can't remember when blackmail started) it would be even better for her and worse for CuntFace: by releasing that video he would've been violating laws against distributing CP and gone to prison for a looooooooooooooooooooooooooong time and be raped in prison, if not murdered. P3d0s don't tend to live long in prisons cause everyone hates them.

Layla has no drama, so Nyx booby trapped Elena to her.

And yes she is the Princess of this story

Drama is yet to come when we'll have to deal with Lucas, methinks. MC is big and strong guy, but sadly can't fight. He regularly gets his ass beaten one-on-one. Strange that John didn't teach him anything. So, I'm guessing dealing with Lucas is gonna be painful and dramatic.

 

[jllkfsdj]

But you get home with a cockblock dibbs girl that kept making dumb choices.

Um, sorry, but didn't understand what you mean with that. English not my first language. "Get home with a cockblock dibbs girl"?
"that kept making dumb choices" obviously means Erynn, but "get home" and why "cockblock dibbs"?

 

[Regularus]

Can't wait for John to discover Erynn is his daughter.
And then as a follow-up can't wait to see the most brutal way John will find to murder Ethan.

 

[Dessolos]

Well, the law is quite clear about this. She doesn't have to steal the phone, the wording is quite clear that "reading messages without permission is illegal". And that's the only thing cops and judges care about.

I get that but im not trying to bring the law in this im thinking of it from an opinion point of view of her character. Which is why it doesnt seem as bad as it seems to me with the context. But yeah the moment you bring the law into it everything changes.

Then why react with such fury and rage if she was only surprised? That kind of reaction is out of proportion. To me she reacted like a jealous/cheated girlfriend would and she really has no right to feel or behave like that and I'm not talking about the past, but simply because of the present when she is barely friends with MC.

Also, isn't the person affected (MC) the only one whose opinion of the action actually matters here? You put Erynn's personal feelings out as the more important ones, but she isn't the victim here. Victims are Lexi and MC

I just saw it different probably because I saw the whole thing for her getting upset as a implied promise / something Alexis should know that would hurt her being friends with her for 15 years. So I more or less saw it as her being hurt over her keeping something like that a secret than being jealous. I felt she would of accepted them being together without the drama if she knew he was back. This is just a case of what I like about AVN's as it comes down to how we see / interpret scenes.

I probably would say they all are a victim to some extent in this scenario. While Erynn less so than the Alexis and MC but that's because I interpret the lie / dishonesty differently than you do.

I do see where you are coming from with the privacy issue with what she did. For me I just kinda see it different because of my personality but also because MC's known her in the past even if they havent known each other for the last 5 years and people can change. I would think with how kind she been towards him since they reconnected he would see she hasn't changed alot at that point and would know she has no ill intentions towards him looking through the pictures. At least that's how I see it and dont consider it trust being broken. If it was someone he didnt have a past with I would most likely agree.