VN Ren'Py Intertwined [v0.13.2] [Nyx]

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

Does anyone have any idea what is this about? She shared something important with Ethan here and then she threatened him to make his life hell if he ever shares that.



And also this one? I assume this one probably is about escort blackmail stuff but I am not sure about it.

 

[Dessolos]

Okay, I understand what you mean. But this is where VN itself messes up (or is genius, can't decide yet).

*puts Sherlock Holmes monocle on*

Erynn found out about MC being back on literally the first or second day, so she didn't rely on Lexi telling her (Lexi not telling her had literally no effect or consequence), so we can remove that issue from the equation. She also forced the issue of their reunion, didn't give him the opportunity to do it on his own terms (which was as shit thing to do tbh.). But this is where it gets complicated and where VN is extremely unclear.

From what we know she didn't have romantic feelings for MC. At all. Which is natural, he was basically a kid for/to her, 13 to her 15. As a previous member already said (sorry, I forgot your name), teens don't really see kids as anything other than kids, certainly not as romantic partners. We can't be angry at someone for not feeling feelings we want them to. BUT we can hold against them what they do with/to other people's feelings.



This is the situation where her blow-up is waaaaaaaaaay out of proportion for the situation.

From my personal perspective and experience she reacted as if Lexi had stolen her man from her or intruded on her territory. Or at least the guy whom Erynn had romantic interest in and Lexi knew that Erynn was in love with him and was waiting for the first opportunity.

I would've understood her anger in that case.

But that was not the case. All MC and Erynn ever were was friends. Childish/childhood friends who played together like kids do. Erynn herself never, at any point in the VN, even hinted that she regarded him as a LI when she was 15 or that she had romantic feelings for him at any point from 15 to 20.

They are now young adults with no relationship and who basically don't know each other anymore. They are rebuilding everything from the ruins of their past. There was no chance or time for Erynn to develop romantic feelings for him since he was not there. After all, she hadn't seen him in the last 5 years and last time they saw each other she laughed at him and then didn't even bother for weeks to reach out and get in contact (the reason I'm repeating this is because it lead to the break up). Weeks during which his behaviour deteriorated to the point school got involved and his mother had to sent him away for a week. There was no way for her to fall in love with him.

To her he is still basically the 13 year old kid she jumped on in bed, NOT the 18 year old young man with plenty of sexual experience, who's dated another girl for 2 years, had sex with over 5 others, has plenty of other friends and a life that is completely removed from her and she has no part in - basically is no longer just focused on her with his entire world revolving around just 1 girl/friend like it did when he was 13. He's an accomplished, rounded-out, well-adjusted young adult now, no longer a child. Otoh she herself is frozen in time and has not moved on from that point in her head about him. Which is proven and richly demonstrated when she does exactly that, jumping on him in bed, on their first meeting and almost every meeting after.


So, with lack of romantic interest evidenced and the fact that Erynn found out he was back basically as soon as she was back herself, her vitriolic and almost hateful reaction to Lexi's relationship with MC makes no sense.

I hope you can agree with me it was out of proportion, inappropriate and never should've taken place at Lexi's place of work. Place of work is essential for any adult person's legitimacy, livelihood, ability to stay free and valid and eligible; so should thus be sacred and untouchable. Instead she attacked, literally ripped into Lexi like a savage animal, biting with incredible viciousness and rage; going after Lexi's every sore point and weak spot and weakness that she knew of, calling her a whore and a cheating slut, taking it so far Lexi broke down in tears right there. Without allowing Lexi to get a word in and explain. Erynn wasn't interested in hearing Lexi's side, she was't there to talk or see reason, she was there to "kill and destroy".

That's inexcusable. Nothing justifies doing that, especially not a little white lie of OMISSION (yet, at worst it's a lie of omission, nothing more), especially not to your best friend.

If the rest of the VN is not enough, it's this scene that makes me not like Erynn.


There was also something similar in the VN Babysitter which made me dislike Chris. In some ways Lexi and Jessie are quite similar.




Problem is that the last time they saw each other was when she broke his trust (again). Which is the sole reason why MC ran away, why they hadn't seen for 5 years and why they are at the point where they are REBUILDING their old friendship and for this trust is ESSENTIAL.

MC extended himself incredibly far with his love confession, he trusted her not to hurt him for being this courageous and daring. They were friends, no matter what, she should've treated him nicely. Instead he got shot down in flames, ridiculed, physically abused and THREATENED.

Trust is easy to lose, but very hard to earn. Once it's gone, it's gone, relationship after that is never the same. And Erynn betrayed the trust he placed in her by not handling his confession correctly. Which was compounded when she broke it again.

When you give your phone to someone, with everything that is on it, you trust them not to abuse your trust and ONLY do with it what you consented to. Not more. Not breach your privacy.

Again, he had his girlfriend's nude photos on his phone. Someone else's EXTREMELY private and intimate gift. This is what I don't understand how you can shrug of. It wasn't just his phone, it was another person's privacy and right to keeping her intimate stuff intimate, her best friend's privacy, as well.

This is why the player gets punished if he decides to scroll through Val's photo gallery when he holds her phone.

Or even more punished if you help Zach spy on the naked girls. because people value privacy and ability to be intimate and naked without anyone intruding above all else and feel betrayed when it's breached.



Ah! NOW I understand. Thanks for explaining! And yeah I agree, Erynn fucked up.

I just wanted to say I appreciate this discussion and that you aren't trying to convince me to change my views just showing me your point of view even if our views are kind of the opposites in some regards. I do see and understand your points and even agree with some of them on some level even if I dont agree 100% with everything.

Yeah i know what you mean about the phone thing I forgot about the nudes she sent him even after you mentioned it once or twice. But I still shrugged it off mostly because of my personality. Even with that I feel for me id consider it more a breach of the other persons trust that I keept something that sensitive on my phone since I gave access to said phone and didnt watch them. As if I was worried there was a chance they might see something I dont want them to see id like to watch them even from afar even with someone I trust 100%. with the context and what I know / feel about Erynn it wouldn't be a break of trust for me if it was a one time thing. Different story if it happens more than once. But id still tell other person what happened if I knew about it.

But I do understand where you are coming from and why me shrugging it off might seem strange. We just have a different point of view on this and personality why we see something that should but a breach of trust yet have different opinions on it.

 

[Dessolos]

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Does anyone have any idea what is this about? She shared something important with Ethan here and then she threatened him to make his life hell if he ever shares that.

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And also this one? I assume this one probably is about escort blackmail stuff but I am not sure about it.

Looking at these I get the feeling it's worst than blackmail all of a sudden. I think the blackmail is only 1/2 of the truth.
Because while the blackmail stuff is bad the look on her face makes me think it's way worst than we know. While blackmail is always bad the context we know about said blackmail doesn't feel like it's as bad as what she might be hiding. I'm thinking it's something more on the lines of her getting beaten or life threatening with said blackmail because we know Ethan and the people he is around are violent. Ethan seems to be the leader too of the ones he hangs around. Which might also be related to the first image of something she knows about Ethan and why he would do something extreme to her.

 

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

Looking at these I get the feeling it's worst than blackmail all of a sudden. I think the blackmail is only 1/2 of the truth.
Because while the blackmail stuff is bad the look on her face makes me think it's way worst than we know. While blackmail is always bad the context we know about said blackmail doesn't feel like it's as bad as what she might be hiding. I'm thinking it's something more on the lines of her getting beaten or life threatening with said blackmail because we know Ethan and the people he is around are violent. Ethan seems to be the leader too of the ones he hangs around. Which might also be related to the first image of something she knows about Ethan and why he would do something extreme to her.

As LSC82 told I am gonna play Erynn route and Alexis route, maybe also secret Alexis route. So I will have better grasp, so I am trying to understand this whole Erynn stuff. These 2 stuck my head in my first play through. There is something we don't know going around with Ethan and Erynn. My guess, Ethan obsessed with Erynn from the beginning. Second pic, maybe just a reference to escort business because it was before revelation but I feel like something sketchier going on. For the first pic, whatever Erynn said made Ethan furious and that conversation took some time, so I don't think she just said she was in love with MC or something like that. With dead body that everyone overlooked there is a possibility Erynn tangled much more than just escort business.
Is there a possibility that blackmail stuff already started at first pic? Do we have exact timeline for that? Since MC know Zane at least name base, maybe he was involved too. I always found Ethan recording sex tape of Erynn too sketchy. How did he know they were going to do that? It was their first time after all. Where did he record it? Was bf involved too. Since Erynn was too gullible to trick.

 

[cxx]

I had hoped single Elena path but I don't have the heart to break Layla's heart for it. Maybe I should settle for throuple path.

prolly not 3some path.

 

[Bombmaster]

As LSC82 told I am gonna play Erynn route and Alexis route, maybe also secret Alexis route. So I will have better grasp, so I am trying to understand this whole Erynn stuff. These 2 stuck my head in my first play through. There is something we don't know going around with Ethan and Erynn. My guess, Ethan obsessed with Erynn from the beginning. Second pic, maybe just a reference to escort business because it was before revelation but I feel like something sketchier going on. For the first pic, whatever Erynn said made Ethan furious and that conversation took some time, so I don't think she just said she was in love with MC or something like that. With dead body that everyone overlooked there is a possibility Erynn tangled much more than just escort business.
Is there a possibility that blackmail stuff already started at first pic? Do we have exact timeline for that? Since MC know Zane at least name base, maybe he was involved too. I always found Ethan recording sex tape of Erynn too sketchy. How did he know they were going to do that? It was their first time after all. Where did he record it? Was bf involved too. Since Erynn was too gullible to trick.

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This Erynn tape plot device is the macguffin

as if needed reasons to dislike her route.

 

[jllkfsdj]

"friend that is so idiot/stupid/moronic to make the MC looks great for the LI" (i think Leap of Faith is one of the very rare AVN to not use that trope),

And Babysitter. Jessie turns out a much better person than Chris eventually.

I wonder how things are going to end for Zach in the story

Hopefully badly lmao. The only way he can redeem himself truly at this point is if he sacrifices himself to save MC's and LI's life in some grand fashion and dies.

 

[Dessolos]

As LSC82 told I am gonna play Erynn route and Alexis route, maybe also secret Alexis route. So I will have better grasp, so I am trying to understand this whole Erynn stuff. These 2 stuck my head in my first play through. There is something we don't know going around with Ethan and Erynn. My guess, Ethan obsessed with Erynn from the beginning. Second pic, maybe just a reference to escort business because it was before revelation but I feel like something sketchier going on. For the first pic, whatever Erynn said made Ethan furious and that conversation took some time, so I don't think she just said she was in love with MC or something like that. With dead body that everyone overlooked there is a possibility Erynn tangled much more than just escort business.
Is there a possibility that blackmail stuff already started at first pic? Do we have exact timeline for that? Since MC know Zane at least name base, maybe he was involved too. I always found Ethan recording sex tape of Erynn too sketchy. How did he know they were going to do that? It was their first time after all. Where did he record it? Was bf involved too. Since Erynn was too gullible to trick.

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After reading this I hope you are right and the blackmailing started sooner. Not only would it make her look better than her being to trusting for keeping Ethan around. It would probably make more sense with things like the sex tape. Yeah since we never seen Zane im starting to suspect / wonder if Zane may even be the one in charge and not Ethan. I think they are the ones that killed that person forget her name. As far as we know we just assumed the blackmail started when she started modeling from what she said. But the picture of her being worried kind of tells a different story like it's way worst than what she told us. It could of been going on for years for all we know there is really no proof on the time line other than what she said.

 

[jllkfsdj]

After reading this I hope you are right and the blackmailing started sooner. Not only would it make her look better than her being to trusting for keeping Ethan around. It would probably make more sense with things like the sex tape. Yeah since we never seen Zane im starting to suspect / wonder if Zane may even be the one in charge and not Ethan. I think they are the ones that killed that person forget her name. As far as we know we just assumed the blackmail started when she started modeling from what she said. But the picture of her being worried kind of tells a different story like it's way worst than what she told us. It could of been going on for years for all we know there is really no proof on the time line other than what she said.

If it's more than 2 years would make Erynn underage. The laws would be MUCH harsher in that case, especially for CuntFace recording her having sex. That's production and distribution of **.

 

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

If it's more than 2 years would make Erynn underage. The laws would be MUCH harsher in that case, especially for CuntFace recording her having sex. That's production and distribution of **.

Dude we are talking here about blackmail, murder etc. do you really think her being underage would stop them? Also, in the first pic Erynn was already 16 maybe even 17. As we know MC was 13 and it was his birthday, so if it his 14th birthday (this the most likely outcome, since Iris was a year ago and MC not being underage would benefit dev a lot) then as we also know 3 years difference between MC and Erynn, she is at least 16 or probably 17 already. We know Zane stuff started after MC so if it's after a year or something it could be 4 years blackmail for Erynn without being her underage. If so, she held stronger than most ngl.
But then what was first pic about? Maybe blackmail already started there and she was threatening Ethan with serious prison time?

After reading this I hope you are right and the blackmailing started sooner. Not only would it make her look better than her being to trusting for keeping Ethan around. It would probably make more sense with things like the sex tape. Yeah since we never seen Zane im starting to suspect / wonder if Zane may even be the one in charge and not Ethan. I think they are the ones that killed that person forget her name. As far as we know we just assumed the blackmail started when she started modeling from what she said. But the picture of her being worried kind of tells a different story like it's way worst than what she told us. It could of been going on for years for all we know there is really no proof on the time line other than what she said.

She said things were going good but she also believed Ethan was good, so maybe Zane reeled her in for Ethan. I am not sure Zane would be in charge because all the sketchiness comes from that modelling agency which owned by Ethan's father. Though Zane being pawn in Ethan's hand possible.
Heck, so many question so little clues. I may come back with another huge text wall, LSC82 will pay for it.

 

[jllkfsdj]

Dude we are talking here about blackmail, murder etc. do you really think her being underage would stop them?

No, it wouldn't stop them, I'm just saying what I did that once tried for their crimes the punishments would be MUCH harsher. Again, doubtful they would survive the first year in prison, they'd probably be executed by other inmates.

 

[Dessolos]

If it's more than 2 years would make Erynn underage. The laws would be MUCH harsher in that case, especially for CuntFace recording her having sex. That's production and distribution of **.

Well when I ment by blackmail I meant any form of it not just the tape that happens as that could of happened later and earlier forms of blackmail could of been going on before than if said theroy happens to be true later.

 

[jllkfsdj]

It's not possible yet, right? If there is a scene like that, I have to replay the game.

Sadly, it's not. These are just my wishes for the future.

Damnit, who is Zane again? I've forgotten.

 

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

No, it wouldn't stop them, I'm just saying what I did that once tried for their crimes the punishments would be MUCH harsher. Again, doubtful they would survive the first year in prison, they'd probably be executed by other inmates.

Not sure about that also. Maybe I am misremembering things but was not John mentioned they were very well protected, even police don't dare to cross them because of Ethan's father's connections. If so, poor Erynn she probably suffered too much and looks like gonna suffer some more. Also assuming their first plan will be a disaster won't be a stretch.

 

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

Damnit, who is Zane again? I've forgotten.

Holder of Erynn's v-card. Co-star of infamous sex tape. Replacement of MC.I wrote last part just to piss certain type of haters.

 

[Dessolos]

Not sure about that also. Maybe I am misremembering things but was not John mentioned they were very well protected, even police don't dare to cross them because of Ethan's father's connections. If so, poor Erynn she probably suffered too much and looks like gonna suffer some more. Also assuming their first plan will be a disaster won't be a stretch.

Not sure about the police part but it would not be a stretch. All I do remember is something on the lines Erynn said she started modeling before Ethan got involved and because his father was head of the modeling agency Ethan was made her new agent when he got involved in the business. So I would say it would safe to assume his father has some kind of protection / connections.

 

[Dessolos]

lol this thread the last day or so got me wanting to replay Erynn's path and probably Alexis since they are my 2 favorites. But dont know when id get around to that beyond on other AVN's I have planned to play or replay haha.

 

[Warscared]

I wonder how things are going to end for Zach in the story

very painfully in accordance with Nyx´s patreon...
she is setting up a poll where for every level of Patreon you are you get x votes so a 10 bucks gets 10 votes and stuff!
if you are a 5 bucks you get 5 bucks!
but Nyx as been trying to determine what will be voted on...
i told her to set an option for "very painfully!"

Well when I ment by blackmail I meant any form of it not just the tape that happens as that could of happened later and earlier forms of blackmail could of been going on before than if said theroy happens to be true later.

that would mean Ethan wouldn´t be so incompetent in his blackmailing ways!
if thats the case he should have broken Erynn already, so perhaps she is arm candy for a few hundreds...
and a few thousands or even tens of thousands... she is all you want her to be! i mean...
she as been working as a model for 2/3 years now, considering her car her house her clothes...
yes it may be rented or being paid to the bank... but for someone who wants to be a mathematics teacher...
or else she is really good at maths and we are not seeing her entire revenue stream...
like in the original Nyx plan... where you had the friends with Ethan path where you would help him corrupt and break in Erynn..
so she was probably only doing the "regular" with extremely rich customers but you needed her to suck and take it in the ass....
By the way, Ethan and his father if they are on it... they aren´t being payed in money... they are being payed in contacts influence and favors...
cause they are recording Erynn with married men who are also relevant and influential...
since they can not threaten to release the tapes or photos... i mean they would be burning an asset!
(probably what happened with Diana... cheating is not enough...
lets kill the bitch and then release her tapes with whomever we want to take out or frame!)
in this sense Erynn is an amazing asset, to be sold once or twice a year to those that matter!

Sadly, it's not. These are just my wishes for the future.

Damnit, who is Zane again? I've forgotten.

Erynn 1st and only boyfriend up to this point!
but he is also a male model, had you not been in Erynn´s path
he would have been the one taking the photos with Erynn...
so the story would continue as planed but this time with Zane the ex-boyfriend
instead of mcjaw "ass in the floor all the time" pussy!
but he is also a manwhore and a MC in another game

Spoiler: this guy to be more specific!

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[Dessolos]

that would mean Ethan wouldn´t be so incompetent in his blackmailing ways!
if thats the case he should have broken Erynn already, so perhaps she is arm candy for a few hundreds...
and a few thousands or even tens of thousands... she is all you want her to be! i mean...
she as been working as a model for 2/3 years now, considering her car her house her clothes...
yes it may be rented or being paid to the bank... but for someone who wants to be a mathematics teacher...
or else she is really good at maths and we are not seeing her entire revenue stream...
like in the original Nyx plan... where you had the friends with Ethan path where you would help him corrupt and break in Erynn..
so she was probably only doing the "regular" with extremely rich customers but you needed her to suck and take it in the ass....
By the way, Ethan and his father if they are on it... they aren´t being payed in money... they are being payed in contacts influence and favors...
cause they are recording Erynn with married men who are also relevant and influential...
since they can not threaten to release the tapes or photos... i mean they would be burning an asset!
(probably what happened with Diana... cheating is not enough...
lets kill the bitch and then release her tapes with whomever we want to take out or frame!)
in this sense Erynn is an amazing asset, to be sold once or twice a year to those that matter!

tbh I didnt put any thought into it I was just clarifying what I meant when i agreed with someone else's potential theory.

 

[LSC82]

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As LSC82 told I am gonna play Erynn route and Alexis route, maybe also secret Alexis route. So I will have better grasp, so I am trying to understand this whole Erynn stuff. These 2 stuck my head in my first play through. There is something we don't know going around with Ethan and Erynn. My guess, Ethan obsessed with Erynn from the beginning. Second pic, maybe just a reference to escort business because it was before revelation but I feel like something sketchier going on. For the first pic, whatever Erynn said made Ethan furious and that conversation took some time, so I don't think she just said she was in love with MC or something like that. With dead body that everyone overlooked there is a possibility Erynn tangled much more than just escort business.
Is there a possibility that blackmail stuff already started at first pic? Do we have exact timeline for that? Since MC know Zane at least name base, maybe he was involved too. I always found Ethan recording sex tape of Erynn too sketchy. How did he know they were going to do that? It was their first time after all. Where did he record it? Was bf involved too. Since Erynn was too gullible to trick.

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Just trying to be helpful, not trying to argue or anything lol.
A timeline of Ethan and Erynn(plus a bit of MC).
Before anything i'll say the game does treat those as facts not opinions.

This is before the "backyard incident".
Erynn is growing up and making new friends, one of them this guy named Ethan.
Ethan clearly wants something with Erynn, and tries to be around her as much as possible(this makes our MC very jealous, he thinks Ethan is stealing her).
Ethan is also a HUGE dick and likes to mess with our guy(who is a younger kid, smaller than he is).
Erynn is aware of that at least partially, as far as we know she never witnessed him getting physical with the MC, just mocking him, still yes the backyard wasn't the first time.

Backyard day.
After the MC runs off, Erynn and Ethan get into an argument and she gives him an ultimatum to stop what he's doing or she's gonna stop talking to him, he is seen leaving in an angry manner shortly after(runs into the MC and scares him off).
The MC does Ethan a big favor and cuts his relationship with Erynn, and leaves town shortly after.

After the Backyard.
Ethan does "change" his ways and starts being "nice"(he's faking of course), Erynn therefore keeps him around for awhile.
Despite that, Erynn still rebuffs his attempts to get with her and he goes back to evil mode, their friendly relationship is cut(for the most part, they still keep going to the same school and probably run into each other there, but they aren't friends anymore).
Small addendum, these last 2 are just said by Erynn and no proof is given, i think most(not to say all) things she has said while having a heart to heart with the MC have been proven true and i see no reason not to believe her... but your mileage may vary.

Erynn meets a guy named Zane and starts dating him.
Somehow Ethan grabs a tape of Zane taking Erynn's V-card and uses this to blackmail her into going to prom with him(Zane scrams after this).

Erynn signs up to a modeling agency, a modeling agency that is owned by Ethan's father(failed to do your diligence idiot).
Ethan ends up becoming her agent.
Ethan and Erynn have an abusive relationship rather than professional or friendly.
Ethan uses the same sextape to force Erynn to do extra jobs for cash(for him), as of current events these seem restricted to posing and walking around rich men.
Ethan is also still not over her and still wants to bang her, promises to throw away the tape if she does that(fat chance).

Into more current events.
Ethan dislikes the fact that the MC is back in town and connected to Erynn again, according to him since he's been back Erynn has become a lot less compliant and feistier, he demands that she cuts of their relationship but she refuses.