the tatoos from Melissa's dream only match the John you meet during the visit to buy a car. there he has a few more tatoos, but most of it is a perfect match. but in all other instances of John screen time, he has completely different tatoos, even in the Iris origin flashback. that kind of inconsistency is very weird.
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yeah, even if he doesn't assault anyone, Zach is now completely under the influence of Ethan, so he will be even more delusional. even if MC doesn't want to spell out every detail for Erynn's sake, he must at least tell everyone that Zach is no longer his friend. Everyone welcomed Zach under the assumption he might not be as bad as they thought thanks to MC.
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The only way Zach gets any redemption is if during spring break Ethan's done something to him to make him realise what a shit he is, not sure how that could've happened though given we see Ethan in ep 12 so there's no reason to believe there's any contact between them.
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If we beat up Ethan and took his phone [/ISP Oiler] Zach might come into a play as a pawn of Ethan to get back his phone too. Zach might be used to lure one of the ladies into danger.
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Fuck no. No redemption for Zach. Only way is if it's forced, which the way shit is goin and we're not given an option to tell the girls what happened, that's how it's goin to probably play out. But if I have the choice, when it comes to Zach, Ethan and the Tweedle Twins:
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Damn, bro. You launched Ethan's head across the courtyard and would you look at that! A Zach-co! You forgot the pico de gallo though.
some have hints of alternate routes, especially in the code.
actually, i was surprised that Nathan didn't suggest to meet up in Riverside if MC visits Nikki/Cara. Seems they still have some stuff to do in Alvarado, or just hanging out in Nate's home with his girlfriend ? maybe, if MC comes alone, that girl might hit on MC, creating drama between Nathan and MC ?
so on Friday, MC can have a beach date with both Val and Erynn on the same day, or with Layla excluding the other two. Val won't dig too much, even if she might want to have more time during the weekend. Layla and Erynn will be tough though
Erynn could even want to come with MC as she already knows Nikki/Cara and might want to also meet MC's true bro. Layla could be persuaded to prioritize Lakeyn for the remainder of the break Layla asks MC on the phone before the hot tub party, so it wouldn't ruin anything. MC could have just said something like Zach not being his friend anymore and dodge the follow up questions, or answer everything and be done with it before the party and asking Layla to avoid the topic during the party so he can forget about it.
MC also had several opportunity with Val, and even worse he even asks her if Zach could be the guy she is interested in in the latest update, with a light tone as if nothing happened. the best opportunity would be just after Ethan's even, after Val saved MC... saying Zach brought MC there and then punched MC in the face would be enough to show the end of the friendship, and it would not ruin the mood at all
for Erynn and Alexis, MC could have told the whole detail during the conversation after Erynn false cliffhanger, the atmosphere was already heavy so it would not ruin anything. During the beach double date, just saying Zach is no longer his friend is enough too and wouldn't ruin the mood as they can quickly change the topic, everyone there has a low opinion of Zach anyway, only MC was his only redeeming quality
.MC's thoughts about it are not that negative compared to what they should really be. they are quite forgiving, in my opinion. most people's thoughts would be filled with insults or hate, or both, if hit with the same betrayal from a decade long friend. the same friend that said "bros before hoes" and went for the exact opposite
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Tweedledum and Tweedledee can provide the pico de gallo with their innards.Damn, bro. You launched Ethan's head across the courtyard and would you look at that! A Zach-co! You forgot the pico de gallo though.
if that happened to Zach, he would have texted or called MC during the break. there is only 3 days left. it's pretty much either a forced redemption where the player has to swallow the shit excuse, or 99% of players will choose to unleash the wrath of the harem unto Zach's ass xD
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As much as I hate Zach i do hope for a redemption path just to see how it plays out. Unless I have bad memory but isnt there some choices to side with Zach or be on side on some things during camp. Now I never bothered to look if he has his own variable but those choices make me think those would lead toward some kind of Zach path only thing that makes sense to me is a redemption arc since his betrayal is forced.
But yeah fuck Zach in 99% of other saves.
But yeah fuck Zach in 99% of other saves.
I hope not, its not like he was a great bro who suddenly betrayed us. He was an barely bearable annoying dense fuck even before the betrayal. He doesnt even have a single redeeming quality, its just nothingness, he's not even funny at times.
His whole character just makes me ask why anyone would ever want to be friends with a guy like that.
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I dont mean a redemption arc as in the MC forgives him or anything cause that ship as sailed. I more meant like a redemption arc as in he tries to stop Ethan or something when he sees him doing something fucked up something on those lines , depending on our choices of course . Something small like that unless I totally miss remember some of the prior choices, but from what I thought I recalled it did feel like there were some choices that we could somewhat side with him on some things. So be nice for those to actually effect something later since it didn't matter for the betrayal.
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Des, did anyone tell you you are too good for this world?
I can't wait for the much needed head bashing for him.
That's punching the monitor, throwing phone in the wall worthy...
It is his fault, he never listens to any tips on how he should act... and no matter how good of friend the MC is, his behaviour is the exact same.
Maybe he saw some stuff he wasn't meant to... like Ethan roughing up Rachel, and now he believes us that Ethan is bad.
Maybe he'll be used as a mole to get Ethan(terrible idea making the dumbest motherfucker around play spy though)...
And i still don't want anything to do with that motherfucker.
Also possible.
Amen brother!!!
I do wonder how things will turn out on a non-Nikki/Cara run, will we get a scene with that Mira girl(the MC tells Iris that they hooked up), Nathan's girl will show herself to be a hoe? We go to Riverside anyways and run into Julia... or the sister that we didn't disappoint(enter alternate route)...some have hints of alternate routes, especially in the code.
actually, i was surprised that Nathan didn't suggest to meet up in Riverside if MC visits Nikki/Cara. Seems they still have some stuff to do in Alvarado, or just hanging out in Nate's home with his girlfriend ? maybe, if MC comes alone, that girl might hit on MC, creating drama between Nathan and MC ?
so on Friday, MC can have a beach date with both Val and Erynn on the same day, or with Layla excluding the other two. Val won't dig too much, even if she might want to have more time during the weekend. Layla and Erynn will be tough though
Layla asks MC on the phone before the hot tub party, so it wouldn't ruin anything. MC could have just said something like Zach not being his friend anymore and dodge the follow up questions, or answer everything and be done with it before the party and asking Layla to avoid the topic during the party so he can forget about it.
MC also had several opportunity with Val, and even worse he even asks her if Zach could be the guy she is interested in in the latest update, with a light tone as if nothing happened. the best opportunity would be just after Ethan's even, after Val saved MC... saying Zach brought MC there and then punched MC in the face would be enough to show the end of the friendship, and it would not ruin the mood at all
for Erynn and Alexis, MC could have told the whole detail during the conversation after Erynn false cliffhanger, the atmosphere was already heavy so it would not ruin anything. During the beach double date, just saying Zach is no longer his friend is enough too and wouldn't ruin the mood as they can quickly change the topic, everyone there has a low opinion of Zach anyway, only MC was his only redeeming quality
MC's thoughts about it are not that negative compared to what they should really be. they are quite forgiving, in my opinion. most people's thoughts would be filled with insults or hate, or both, if hit with the same betrayal from a decade long friend. the same friend that said "bros before hoes" and went for the exact opposite
That beach date with both Erynn and Val is one of the weirdest things, will we be forced to call off one at the last moment completely ruining all the progress made so far?
Erynn sounds like a person who would offer herself accompany us on the trip happily, maybe Nyx will need to throw in some scheduling conflict to justify her not wanting to tag along.
Val is still in the "not commited" stage which i think makes her not wanting to take a trip accross the country justified.
Layla is still largely dependent on her mom, needs approval and doesn't have her own money so that's also easy to
understand, we can easily sell her on "i'm going back to where i lived hang out with my buddy" and "forget" to mention Nikki/Cara, she'll be sad that the MC is gone for the weekend but will accept.
I agree that he had many opportunities to come out with the info, but i don't find the MC not sharing terrible until now...
He'll need to soon, when everybody is back at school it will become inevitable.
in the code, yes, you can collect Zach points in several choices. especially during camp.
the choices are mainly doing the stupid stuff he wants to do.
usually, when you are a "good friend" and support zach in everything, it ends up costing you all your relationships. you lose Alexis very early on for good, and then Layla and Elena as potential romance path in camp, Valeria takes back quite a number of points too. and even if you do support him that much, he still betrays you, and the points you built up for him up till there are for nothing. that would have been a good spot to check for points, actually, whether Zach believes you or not depending on your relationship.
MC needs a real bro. Nathan must come to Madison Springs asap.
even if you don't like them, Derek from DIK and Chris from LoF are real bros, they have MC's back, they support their MC to the fullest, and have their best interest at heart.
this is something that is severely lacking in Intertwined. Zach is just an oblivious selfish delusional idiot. irredeemable. even if he is redeemed, he brings absolutely no value. his only use was to introduce MC to Dylan's bar
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Zach is the worst best friend in any VN
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If you didn't tip Darryl, prepare for him snitching on you and Nikki with Coach Mike hahaha.
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That title goes to the best friend of the MC of the AVN called Three Rules of Life since he convinces the MC mother to abandon her family to chase after some lesbian fling so he pretty much ruined the MC life from that game because the mom listens to him and the MC grows up with out his mother.
well, Nyx forces MC on the path to monogamy little by little, or face the path of celibacy
I think you can also have the friday date with both Erynn and Layla but MC vows in his thoughts to "speak" to Erynn about Layla in this case. so if Erynn & Val, I bet we will have to choose one and drop the other too.Then probably immediately after, the visit in Riverside could also be a forced choice on keeping that relationship or not.
on Friday, then the weekend, Erynn most likely has no modeling gig, she is also on spring break and did her assignments early, she also really wants to get away from her problems, spend as much time as possible with MC and discover where he lived and who his friends were, so the only thing that would prevent her from going is already having plans with Alexis and Lakeyn, or MC flat out refusing her at the cost of a massive loss in points.
Adrianna already knows Layla just had sex with MC, so even though she does think he is a good influence on her daughter, i agree that it's a stretch letting Layla go with MC on an unmonitored weekend trip
they are not even in an official relationship. but I don't think Layla would need money as she is already 18, she has some savings for sure. she could order some stuff online, so she has a bank account and a credit/debit card. and the characters in the game are not really concerned with money, they pretty much buy whatever they want for the story.