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He did go seriously off-the-rails after the Erynn incident so it's possible if that was towards the end of the school year that he could have failed the end of year exams because he didn't care.
possible, in the intro, he does say his grades took a hit, but going from straight As down to failing a whole year might be a stretch, unless the school put a condition to MC passing that year and he failed miserably. the new school would see his history and sudden fall and think it was because of his moving and be lenient to give him a chance to prove it.

it could just be a stupid reason like MC being born at the very end of a school year, so Emily decided to put him in school the next year instead to allow him to mature more before being thrown into socialization hell. and she would want to keep her baby a bit longer if possible :D
 

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Nyx can play with the speculation and tease players all she wants, but in the end, she cannot go the incest route, whether biologically or "just" legally related, so the teasing loses all its power.
she will play with incest speculations as long as she wants (well as long as it's reasonable) but she will stop it as easily as she started.

she can't decrease it, if she wants to earn money with it :D
she can if all girls are 9 or 10 years old and are early school classes and they do what normal kids do and nothing sexual besides maybe short kisses.
 

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Maybe in the messed up States...not common at all all around the rest of the world. Never heard of it, nor ever seen it in the UK (or in Europe where I've spent a lot of time) and likely would imagine it's illegal here too. You cannot keep someone in school past the age of 16. It's a simple as that. So no, it's far from common.
In France, the last year of high school, people are typically 17 and 18, and it's like that in pretty much every EU country. people redoing a year in their school history is not uncommon, but you won't find one in each class either. so finding someone being 19 is possible. though, definitely not someone that gets straight As :D

It has to be 2 years, otherwise the first scene with Iris is still problematic. Which creates other isues...as he dated her for 2 years...now being changed to 18 months (pointless change imo but whatever)...the fact of the matter is... he was supposed to be 5 years younger than Erynn/Alexis (part of the reason she didn't take him seriously and was surprised, he was a fucking kid...

This is not counting the the fact that everyone in school is 18, which is utter bollox. They are not going on spring break, they are a month or two max from leaving high school...you know, the actual legal age you leave school, Nyx seems to have completely forgotten that that what 'year' you are in is directly affected by your birthday. So if everyone is 18, they are due to leave school imminently...they would not be 18 in the Jan/feb of that year because if they were, they would be in the year prior.

So again, 18 when met Iris, dated for 18 months....3 months(?) at Cara/Nikki's.....the MC is almost 20 years old when he returns. Changing the MC's age requires a complete script rewrite of many, many things, again, all because Nyx thinks she is far more intelligent and smarter than she really is, and wants to continually walk along the white line of acceptability.
the real issue for Nyx is Tori... she fucked everyone in school. if she is just 18 like everyone else, then she JUST turned 18. where did she find the time to fuck everyone and train and study and deal with Darryl's shit ? xD Zach stated he rejected her in the past, so most likely when he arrived in school 3 or 4 years before... :D
 
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the real issue for Nyx is Tori... she fucked everyone in school. if she is just 18 like everyone else, then she JUST turned 18. where did she find the time to fuck everyone and train and study and deal with Darryl's shit ? xD Zach stated he rejected her in the past, so most likely when he arrived in school 3 or 4 years before... :D
It doesn't matter unless Nyx introduces a flashback scene of Tori's sexual adventures. Mention of underage sex is not an issue, depicting it is an issue.
 
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she will play with incest speculations as long as she wants (well as long as it's reasonable) but she will stop it as easily as she started.



she can if all girls are 9 or 10 years old and are early school classes and they do what normal kids do and nothing sexual besides maybe short kisses.
you missed the point in both.
i'll just skip the second because it's not worth any more time than that.
but the first: she can and will, but because we all know the rules, the drama she planned loses all its impact and power. without the shock it's meaningless. I only hope she can see it and use other tropes instead.
 

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Gabi and Santiago are probably engaged hence the picture with white dress and not a traditional wedding dress as i have seen women wear different white dresses when they get engaged. And since engagement its not like marriage that would allow sex between MC and Gabi without being considered incest.
Legally Santiago is not MC's father. Anders naame is on birth certificate, therefore he is MC's father so Gabi being married to Santiago is not a problem. Especially now since they are getting divorced.

Maybe in the messed up States...not common at all all around the rest of the world. Never heard of it, nor ever seen it in the UK (or in Europe where I've spent a lot of time) and likely would imagine it's illegal here too. You cannot keep someone in school past the age of 16. It's a simple as that. So no, it's far from common.
I don't know about other european countries but in Poland people need to study until they are 18.
 

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Legally Santiago is not MC's father. Anders naame is on birth certificate, therefore he is MC's father so Gabi being married to Santiago is not a problem. Especially now since they are getting divorced.
Santiago is MC's biological dad, so it's a problem. if Gabi was married to him, she would be MC's stepmother. and she only divorced recently. she was still married when MC fucked her.
 
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now that we know Santiago is MC's dad, Gabi can't be Santiago's wife as then it would mean MC fucked his stepmother, which is against Patreon rules. she might be his current lover. but she stated that she is married. i don't think we saw a ring, so she might say that to reject men and to stay faithful to her lover ?

Ximena (Val's mom) also knows Santiago. and she seems to know Andres too when Gabi called MC by his last name.
Gabi seems to be lonely and neglected, not cheated on.
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I think dev already my leg here by artistically telling she is his step-mother. Revisit this scene in a different perspective.

for the same reason, Santiago can't be Alexis and Layla's dad either. that cliffhanger is just Alexis not finishing her sentence and MC going full throttle in his mind without waiting for the end of their talk.
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"He is my dad... from another multiverse" is a bit weird.

Adrianna is married to something else, and had her daughter with that guy. it's probably Enzo (the basketball legend), who retired from his club early to focus on his family.
Nice.
New Theory: Probably Enzo is dad and he divorced Adriana after layla was born. Navarro eventually end up with Adrianna, Like Andres calls MC as dad, may be Alexis is calling him dad.

it seems you think those are plot holes because you didn't follow the story very well maybe ? or you made assumptions and didn't correct them later when the facts were revealed ?
I got to these questions after "what if Navarro is Santiago/Mc's dad/Gabi's likely husband/Alexis and Layla's dad all are same" which is the current cliffhanger. There are many plotholes in this case. I have structured everything it in order.
So, you know you have answered the questions, according to your assumption that Navarro is only MC's dad and explain your answers based on that and how dev might be right. Our both assumptions will never be right even if we know the story and played all paths. I think my 'maybe' cases are pulling your nerves. I guess. (I'm sorry :p)

My point is everyone knows everyone, but not us.

In the beginning, My brain when MC knows Erynn, but not Alexis (Probably he forgot), Emily knows Adriana and Alexis coming to Melissa's house for Erynn since childhood, but never asked who is her husband for god sake (Probably she forgot to ask, but the husband loves the food at that restaurant). Melissa knows Alexis, but not asked about her dad even once (Probably she forgot to ask). Emily knows Santiago, but not his wife (Probably she forgot to ask). Gabi knows Adriana is Layla's mom, also sends layla to tutoring, but they don't talk (Probably they forgot to talk to each other). Emily knows Melissa, but not Erynn's dad (Probably she forgot to ask about one night stand).
 

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Legally Santiago is not MC's father. Anders naame is on birth certificate, therefore he is MC's father
Irrelevant regardless as he isn't anyway. But whoever is on the birth cert is also fucking pointless in whether someone is related or not, are you really that uneducated?
I don't know about other european countries but in Poland people need to study until they are 18.
I know, spent many years in Poland actually, beautiful country. They have adopted the US way many years ago as are other places in Europe (they are also discussing implementing it here also). You can't force someone to stay in school past 18 though even there I would imagine.
 

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Now any family relationship, blood or legal, is banned from sexual depiction. here you can check :
Yeah, you clearly missed all the other decisions of Patreon. There're tons of such games there, even such shit like Summertime Saga which includes pure incest and a game with incest, sodomy, rape, underage porn, and more shit. Patreon avoids many things but nothing will happen if Navarro is Gabi's husband. They allow way more than you think and what that statement looks alike. The key is communication about the content with them and that's what Nyx constantly does in the past. But even if Navarro isn't Gabi's (soon-to-be-)husband. What does it matter? It wouldn't make the game worse.
 
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Santiago is MC's biological dad, so it's a problem. if Gabi was married to him, she would be MC's stepmother. and she only divorced recently. she was still married when MC fucked her.
I'd say it's a grey area to be honest. Yes Santi is MC's biological father so by that Gabi would technically be MC's stepmother by marriage. However as that's only incest by legality rather than blood then there's the question of whether it actually counts because MC's legal father is Andres, that's what's on his birth certificate, so there's actually no relation to Gabi through blood, or through legality because Santi isn't MC's legal father.
 
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I think dev already my leg here by artistically telling she is his step-mother. Revisit this scene in a different perspective.
yeah, it's just teasing. but once you know Patreon rules, it's just an empty tease :)

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"He is my dad... from another multiverse" is a bit weird.
there is "..." meaning there is something else that is supposed to follow and she is interrupted by a customer right after. the sudden interruption doesn't really work in VN format. Alexis will say "he's my dad's friend" or "he's my dad's former agent"

Nice.
New Theory: Probably Enzo is dad and he divorced Adriana after layla was born. Navarro eventually end up with Adrianna, Like Andres calls MC as dad, may be Alexis is calling him dad.
no, Enzo is still the dad and husband. Navarro cannot be Adrianna's husband ever because of Patreon rules. MC can't fuck his step sisters. and Enzo retired to spend time with his family, so it's not possible that he would be already divorced. they would have said he retired to spend time with his daughters instead.

I got to these questions after "what if Navarro is Santiago/Mc's dad/Gabi's likely husband/Alexis and Layla's dad all are same" which is the current cliffhanger. There are many plotholes in this case. I have structured everything it in order.
So, you know you have answered the questions, according to your assumption that Navarro is only MC's dad and explain your answers based on that and how dev might be right. Our both assumptions will never be right even if we know the story and played all paths. I think my 'maybe' cases are pulling your nerves. I guess. (I'm sorry :p)

My point is everyone knows everyone, but not us.

In the beginning, My brain when MC knows Erynn, but not Alexis (Probably he forgot), Emily knows Adriana and Alexis coming to Melissa's house for Erynn since childhood, but never asked who is her husband for god sake (Probably she forgot to ask, but the husband loves the food at that restaurant). Melissa knows Alexis, but not asked about her dad even once (Probably she forgot to ask). Emily knows Santiago, but not his wife (Probably she forgot to ask). Gabi knows Adriana is Layla's mom, also sends layla to tutoring, but they don't talk (Probably they forgot to talk to each other). Emily knows Melissa, but not Erynn's dad (Probably she forgot to ask about one night stand).
it's not an assumption. it's a fact, because of Patreon rules. if Navarro is Alexis and Layla's dad, and Gabi's husband, then Nyx, the dev, is banned and loses her income, and will stop developping the game, simple as that.
also, Navarro can't be married to two women at the same time, it's illegal in the US, and in such a small town, he would get caught very easily, he is very well known as you find out in the story.

We only know Adrianna drove Alexis to Melissa's house. we don't know or see if Emily goes to Melissa's house at the same time. We only see Erynn visiting Emily's house in the flashbacks, we only assume Emily visits Melissa's. Alexis confirms she knew Emily before the story begins, so either Emily visited Melissa while Alexis is there, or Alexis went with Erynn to get MC and play. We can't conclude anything beyond that.

Why would Melissa knowing Alexis's dad be important ? and Melissa probably knows who Alexis' dad is, because Erynn knows him very well and Erynn usually tells everything to her mom.

Emily doesn't care who Santiago's wife is. She only talked about MC with him. and even if she knows, it doesn't matter.

Gabi and Adrianna have a professional relationship, they are not obligated to talk about their personal lives. and even if they did, it doesn't matter because your theory is incorrect. they don't have the same husband. honestly, it's a small town, they probably know who their respective husbands are.

Like I said, but it seems you don't read, Emily DID ASK Melissa about Erynn's dad, and Melissa told her what she knew. Elily even replied he looks like a Viking with tatoos and proceeded to fantasize about him... did you skip that flashback ? Melissa told everything she knows about him to Erynn too. Erynn confirms it's not that much beyond his appearance, and the one night stand.
are you assuming that because you, the player, can see things, the characters all see what you saw ? :D

But i'll give you that MC is not asking questions enough, that's for sure.
 
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Yeah, you clearly missed all the other decisions of Patreon. There're tons of such games there, even such shit like Summertime Saga which includes pure incest and a game with incest, sodomy, rape, underage porn, and more shit. Patreon avoids many things but nothing will happen if Navarro is Gabi's husband. They allow way more than you think and what that statement looks alike. The key is communication about the content with them and that's what Nyx constantly does in the past. But even if Navarro isn't Gabi's (soon-to-be-)husband. What does it matter? It wouldn't make the game worse.
seems you missed some yourself too... where it all began patreon got deleted suddenly.
Patreon are probably going at it one by one and thoroughly analyzing each project retroactively. it takes a long time.
but going forward, all new content will have that new rule applied.
Sure, you can discuss and negotiate to flirt the line, and when the goal post move again, then your project is at risk all over again.
Why do you think Nyx is savagely changing the age ? i would bet she discussed it and wants to avoid being at any risk at all for the foreseeable future.
the same applies to incest/stepcest.

it doesn't make the finished game worse, but it severely diminishes the impact of cliffhangers, reveals and dramas, though. that's what i'm repeating here again. and those are part of the experience. so going for other plots and tropes would make for a better experience, at least for me. ymmv.
 

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Irrelevant regardless as he isn't anyway. But whoever is on the birth cert is also fucking pointless in whether someone is related or not, are you really that uneducated?
I wrote it mostly from in game perspective. I know it's quite dumb considering that in US people can have sex with step family. What I meant to say that when government don't know about something, they generally don't care and very few people(ingame) know about who is MC's father. Of course Patron won't care about it, so yeah writing it was quite dumb.
 
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I'd say it's a grey area to be honest. Yes Santi is MC's biological father so by that Gabi would technically be MC's stepmother by marriage. However as that's only incest by legality rather than blood then there's the question of whether it actually counts because MC's legal father is Andres, that's what's on his birth certificate, so there's actually no relation to Gabi through blood, or through legality because Santi isn't MC's legal father.
I like your reasoning, but honestly, Santiago being MC's bio dad and Gabi being married to him is a pretty straight line as far as relationship goes.
Nyx even teases the player by making MC say the stepmom getting with her son is very cliché.
 

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Of course Patron won't care about it, so yeah writing it was quite dumb.
patreon won't care whois daddy (if not gaysex game) as long as it's not about daughter but cares up if it involves incest.
 
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