Jack Townsend

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yeah well thats what you get when you are raised by a single mother!
Also guys like that wouldn´t exist if women didn´t wanted them!
shit on Zach all you want,
if he exists the way he does its because someone nurtered him like that
and then girls instead of educating him went around him and did their thing!

also its not like Zach isn´t the back up plan of half the girls if they get pregnenant!
Dumb enough and wealthy enough to take the blame and help raise a child...
its not like we haven´t seen this archetype in the begining of this game!


and yet people like Zach do exist!
who do you blame?
my theory makes far more sense!
always easy to just blame whatever instead of aknowledging the underlying problems!
i don´t particularly like Zach and his betrayal stinks, but you said people like Zach!
whats the diference beteween Zach and the MC then?
yeah he is a thirsty motherfucker but so are all boys his age!
what makes him particularly repulsive?
except for the betrayal ofc but that aside what about him?
is it his lip piercing?
i have a strong suspicion that if Zach came out as Gay everyone would be so understanding...
double standarts and shit is what i find hard to accept!

exceptions do not confirm the rule
and the 20% that come out on the other side
do tend to come out better in some aspects like menthal fortitude!
that still leaves 80% of emotionally and unstable young adults
(i say young adults since quite a few don´t make it past that...)

75% of those raised in 2 parents households come out okish,
still leaves the 25% who are pieces of shit!

my problem is the dehumanization of Zach!
90% of the users here are just like Zach!
thirsty motherfuckers who never had a meaningfull relationship in their life
and since they are so broken and immature they think Sex is all that there is!

maybe 90% is too much, i came out on the other side of Dievorce
so yes i am broken just like the rest, but its just in a diferent way!
i can relate to most MC`s here cause i never had any issue finding women!
my main issue was me picking with my dick instead of picking the right woman!
but thats on me and no one else, not even my ex-wife...

so just like women are not just pieces of meat
men are not a bunch of mindless muscles who thirst
yes sexyal dinamics are part of that,
but we are suposed to reach higher then that!
enjoying a healthy sexual ralationship is part of growing up, but its not the end all of it!
So people need push back and have their bubbles burst now and then!

this Zach hating train is just too much!
i mean we have Ethan and Andres in this game, still humans,
so i suspect people have raw reactions to betrayal ignoring he is just an immature kid!
its like game of thrones, all the Geoffrey hating... its a 13 year old kid ffs!
what are you expecting a 13 year old kid to do given the illusion of power?
Is there any in game evidence to show, suggest, or even imply that Zach's mother is to blame for his character, personality, and behavior? Are there any scenes or lines of dialogue in the game that support your theory?
 
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It's easy. I made the shots. The first screenshot is from Elena path. The second and third from Valeria path when you're in a relationship with Alexis and Val saw you on Beach with Lexi.
How do you stay on Valeria's path that long when pursuing Elena? I just got done doing the Layla and Elena path, and you have to get close to Layla to get to Elena, correct? I still got every point possible with Val, even chose her to swap underwear with over Layla, she saved me from Ethan and we kissed, but when we got to the photo booth part, I only had the option for pictures with Layla, and Val had switched to friends status.
 

LSC82

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How do you stay on Valeria's path that long when pursuing Elena? I just got done doing the Layla and Elena path, and you have to get close to Layla to get to Elena, correct? I still got every point possible with Val, even chose her to swap underwear with over Layla, she saved me from Ethan and we kissed, but when we got to the photo booth part, I only had the option for pictures with Layla, and Val had switched to friends status.
You don't, Layla-Elena completely blocks Valeria, unless she gets an alternative path later much like Alexis did, that's it for her.

In that version of the park scene Val is just offering some friendly support, rather than flirting and setting the next date.
 
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Dessolos

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How do you stay on Valeria's path that long when pursuing Elena? I just got done doing the Layla and Elena path, and you have to get close to Layla to get to Elena, correct? I still got every point possible with Val, even chose her to swap underwear with over Layla, she saved me from Ethan and we kissed, but when we got to the photo booth part, I only had the option for pictures with Layla, and Val had switched to friends status.
I'm not 100% sure but I dont think you can. Since Valeria is good friends with Layla by time you finish the training camp and if you are on her path she doesn't want to get involved with the MC because of being friends with Layla. At least I heard it was something to that effect once on the discord server.
 

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Wonder if Ethan,Zach and the guy who punched MC will join up. And if so will his real friend from the last place he lived will be there as his back up. This game has so much potential.
 

LSC82

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Wonder if Ethan,Zach and the guy who punched MC will join up. And if so will his real friend from the last place he lived will be there as his back up. This game has so much potential.
No idea if Lucas(the puncher, Layla stalker) knows Ethan, but Ethan already has his goons in addition to ginger asshole.

Maybe we'll need to flip Daryl to our side, and he brings his bodyguard friend(Shaq i think).
 

valbitterb

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No idea if Lucas(the puncher, Layla stalker) knows Ethan, but Ethan already has his goons in addition to ginger asshole.

Maybe we'll need to flip Daryl to our side, and he brings his bodyguard friend(Shaq i think).
Then Emmanuel the Manual and his two friends join the Ethan crew haha. (Yeah, we'll need Shaq.)

We'll need that begrudging respect scene between the MC and Daryl.

DARYL: You're not such an asshole after all.
MC: You're still ... five stars.

(Daryl smiles.)
 
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How do you stay on Valeria's path that long when pursuing Elena? I just got done doing the Layla and Elena path, and you have to get close to Layla to get to Elena, correct? I still got every point possible with Val, even chose her to swap underwear with over Layla, she saved me from Ethan and we kissed, but when we got to the photo booth part, I only had the option for pictures with Layla, and Val had switched to friends status.
You misunderstood me. The one picture with Val from Elena path is between MC and Valeria on a friendship base. Valeria comforts her friend who struggled with the situation he caused with Layla. You got that right that you can't be on Valeria's path when you've been with Layla which is necessary to get on Elena path.
 

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How do you stay on Valeria's path that long when pursuing Elena? I just got done doing the Layla and Elena path, and you have to get close to Layla to get to Elena, correct? I still got every point possible with Val, even chose her to swap underwear with over Layla, she saved me from Ethan and we kissed, but when we got to the photo booth part, I only had the option for pictures with Layla, and Val had switched to friends status.
you don't. you do separate val path.

happy playing.
 
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You don't, Layla-Elena completely blocks Valeria, unless she gets an alternative path later much like Alexis did, that's it for her.

In that version of the park scene Val is just offering some friendly support, rather than flirting and setting the next date.

Well that's odd because that didn't happen in my playthrough at all. I don't really get why.
 
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You misunderstood me. The one picture with Val from Elena path is between MC and Valeria on a friendship base. Valeria comforts her friend who struggled with the situation he caused with Layla. You got that right that you can't be on Valeria's path when you've been with Layla which is necessary to get on Elena path.
I'm just confused because I didn't get that scene with Val at all. And I don't get why. I was on best possible terms with her so you would think I would get the scene where she comforts him.
 

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I'm just confused because I didn't get that scene with Val at all. And I don't get why. I was on best possible terms with her so you would think I would get the scene where she comforts him.
Maybe you didn't trained in the morning because you're on Erynn path.
 

LSC82

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Well that's odd because that didn't happen in my playthrough at all. I don't really get why.
Well, this particular morning has 2 options(with some variations), shower with Erynn or running in the park.
If you go into the shower with Erynn you don't go running in the park, if you don't go into the shower with Erynn you go running in the park... there you always run into Val, no matter what type of relationship you have.

What Val will say to you will change depending on your relationships, if you are dating Layla you have a small chit-chat, if you broke up with Layla because you are targeting Elena, you get the scene we've been discussing in which she tells you "it will be alright".
If you went to beach with Alexis and have made out with Val, she tells you to break off the relationship if you want to keep seeing her.
If you have a relationship with Val(but no Alexis or Erynn) you just make out a little bit.
 

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Well, this particular morning has 2 options(with some variations), shower with Erynn or running in the park.
If you go into the shower with Erynn you don't go running in the park, if you don't go into the shower with Erynn you go running in the park... there you always run into Val, no matter what type of relationship you have.

What Val will say to you will change depending on your relationships, if you are dating Layla you have a small chit-chat, if you broke up with Layla because you are targeting Elena, you get the scene we've been discussing in which she tells you "it will be alright".
If you went to beach with Alexis and have made out with Val, she tells you to break off the relationship if you want to keep seeing her.
If you have a relationship with Val(but no Alexis or Erynn) you just make out a little bit.
I will add, if you got caught cheating with both Lexi and Layla, Val will take Layla's side and will want nothing to do with you.
 
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I know this topic can be kinda controversial and I don't want to start a debate or anything but from what I gather this game doesn't have harem and that in itself isn't really problem for me if it's done right and that is exactly my question is it done right?
here is an example of what I consider done right: Defending Lydia Collier three to four main LI with couple of different routes and side LIs when you chose a main LI MC doesn't interact with other main LI routes and their side LIs
and the there is "being a DIK" I know it's insanely popular but I hate it, it isn't a harem game but it plays like one even when you're not in a LI's route you see their story and solving their problems like it doesn't matter you get rejected or reject someone story plays the same way is just doesn't have sex scenes

I know I got side tracked and went on a tangent and this got long, I don't know it's a problem or not but I want to know this game is closer to which one of this two games and and how many main LIs there is and is there any side LIs or not
 
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