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cooldevo proved earlier that the tipping doesn't matter. Nyx has hidden points inside other's routes before though. I think all we've pointed out so far is that Nyx has had opportunities to set stuff up and didn't take them. Ultimately it's her story and she'll tell it the way she wants to.
That is true. I didn't go through the whole hot tub party scene to see if there is any tracking of the delivery. I would guess not, as Nyx will know if you were there to see Darryl if you were at the party. It just won't be possible to know if you tipped him or not. If MC didn't go to Layla's hot tub party, then you never saw Darryl there. Beyond that, there's really nothing to know about that particular moment.

I like flavor choices, they can be fun.
But they can be misleading too, sometimes you make a choice thinking it's something big and as it turns out it's just fluff (still thinking about the Erynn>Girlfriend choice having no effect).
Maybe the confusion factor is exactly why Nyx likes adding some meaningless flavor choices here and there.
It is also consistent with a number of other moments you can only see if on specific paths. Some of the scenes do track point changes or decision, but other's don't. For example:
  • Iris/Erynn/Lexi beach trip. There's a lot of talking and scenes between the three of them that the MC will never see unless on Lexi's path(s). Same with getting to see Val and Darryl at the beach, you can see it if you go to the beach, hear Val retell it if on her path, or Erynn just tells you it was a girls beach day.
  • Elena's beach visit Layla bails and her mom drops her brothers off. You get a lot of interesting context with Elena, her mom, and brothers, that you don't see unless you have enough Elena points.
  • If Elena points are high enough, you can practice cheering with her at her house. It's the only way I've found thus far for the MS Cheer Team to finish in first place. Every other time, they always finish second. But again, you also see tidbits of Elena, when at her house, you never see elsewhere.
  • Lexi will only help Erynn if you are on her path(s) and lock the two of them in Erynn's room. Any other choice, you never see/hear Erynn tell her best friend at any point. Even after you convince Erynn to tell Melissa and Emily.
The Erynn girlfriend moment playing volleyball on her beach date, to me, was one of the biggest misses in the story thus far. It was set up perfectly and then just dropped. Here's hoping something even better can replace it when they do become official... and not just "becoming" official without saying it to each other.

Overall I do like there are different glimpses you can see, based on the path(s) you take, even if they are just flavor. Even if it's just for flavor, it makes each path/date have a unique feel to the others you don't take and adds a bit to the overall story each time you play.
 

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Erynn-Ethan and Layla-Lucas(btw does Nyx like to make her villains names match first letters?)
Dr.TSoni : "I guess everything's ... Intertwined (whisper)."

I think it would be neat to have a way to slowly win him over, he's never gonna be best friend material. With friends like Zach, who needs enemies?). At the least he should be able to come to a mutual respect over track and I'd love a plot to put Tori in her place (not that type of threesome or anything, just something where Tori gets embarrassed).
Darryl is a guy who is the number 1, the biggest "badass" in the area feeling threatened by the new guy.
New guy that both can challenge him on track and is popular with the ladies.
From his (typical jock) perspective, it's someone new entering his territory and taking what's his.

He didn't know the MC was going to the beach that day when Val joined his group...
But because the MC always hanging out with stunners pisses him off he shoots that snarky look as he walks by, as if to say "i'm gonna get this one before you do".
Obviously not of course, but that's what he's thinking.
I seriously doubt that's possible. Plus he just doesn't seem like a good guy to me, or someone that I would want the MC to be friends with, I sure as hell wouldn't be friends with someone like that. Nathan will be coming to Madison Springs soon so the MC won't need any other friends, Nathan is a real one.
Same, I always thought that there is a chance that MC and Darryl could actually become not friends exactly, but maybe less enemies and team up to help Erynn. I'd rather have Darryl as an ally than doucheface.
I hope Darryl does become an ally somehow.

We need more guy friends apart from Nathan.

Apart from my wish of an 80s bar fight versus the other schools relay teams that bonds our Madison Springs High Relay Team to win the race,

Darryl might become the male Elena or the mirror of the MC?

- Also abandoned by his dad, but has a lot of siblings,
- Intertwined Single mom working two or three jobs who the mc will want to fuck (I know he's fucking hopeless), (it's a stereotype but could be done well.)
- Or alcoholic dad - not violent but neglectful in his abuse? No mom?

We could also help Darryl get a good deal on fixing his scooter at John's garage if he needs it for income?
 
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so i am like:

At the least he should be able to come to a mutual respect over track and I'd love a plot to put Tori in her place
(not that type of threesome or anything, just something where Tori gets embarrassed).
i was cheering from the sidelines and then you lost me... wtf do you mean no threesome?
So Darryl gets a threesome with 2 girls if he wins but Tori doesn't get the same treatment?
such misogyny my god i can't even... WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU DAMMIT?

now thi shit is just....



and Nyx be like!


a friend made something for me... i feel like sharing!

 
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That is true. I didn't go through the whole hot tub party scene to see if there is any tracking of the delivery. I would guess not, as Nyx will know if you were there to see Darryl if you were at the party. It just won't be possible to know if you tipped him or not. If MC didn't go to Layla's hot tub party, then you never saw Darryl there. Beyond that, there's really nothing to know about that particular moment.
I can confirm now, there's no such thing as Darryl points(even Zach has points) or flags... ever.
Not for tipping him, not for pushing him... all those choices are fluff.

The things the game might remember/take into consideration when it comes to Darryl.
Wether he won or we did at the last event(it's not tagged Darryl, but the game has ways of knowing if you won or not, due to practicing with Layla).
Wether you have a Tori/Val relationship or not.

It is also consistent with a number of other moments you can only see if on specific paths. Some of the scenes do track point changes or decision, but other's don't. For example:
  • Iris/Erynn/Lexi beach trip. There's a lot of talking and scenes between the three of them that the MC will never see unless on Lexi's path(s). Same with getting to see Val and Darryl at the beach, you can see it if you go to the beach, hear Val retell it if on her path, or Erynn just tells you it was a girls beach day.
  • Elena's beach visit Layla bails and her mom drops her brothers off. You get a lot of interesting context with Elena, her mom, and brothers, that you don't see unless you have enough Elena points.
  • If Elena points are high enough, you can practice cheering with her at her house. It's the only way I've found thus far for the MS Cheer Team to finish in first place. Every other time, they always finish second. But again, you also see tidbits of Elena, when at her house, you never see elsewhere.
  • Lexi will only help Erynn if you are on her path(s) and lock the two of them in Erynn's room. Any other choice, you never see/hear Erynn tell her best friend at any point. Even after you convince Erynn to tell Melissa and Emily.
The Erynn girlfriend moment playing volleyball on her beach date, to me, was one of the biggest misses in the story thus far. It was set up perfectly and then just dropped. Here's hoping something even better can replace it when they do become official... and not just "becoming" official without saying it to each other.

Overall I do like there are different glimpses you can see, based on the path(s) you take, even if they are just flavor. Even if it's just for flavor, it makes each path/date have a unique feel to the others you don't take and adds a bit to the overall story each time you play.
I like them too.
To figure out that Mr Donovan and Zane are the same person you have to do both Erynn and Val dates.
Elena's squad only wins if you help her, you only win if you train with Layla(relationship or not).
And to figure out that Darryl might be poor and has to work during spring break while his (i was gonna say friends :LOL: ) schoolmates are partying and relaxing you need to be on Layla.

There's always danger that too many exclusive scenes slows down development, so maybe some streamlining would help... scenes that start the same but end differently.
Something like you are at school and meet Layla, Elena, Val... and this part always play out, but then you get an exclusive portion for Layla, another for Val, another for Elena.
Nyx already did this more or less for Layla and Alexis with the dinner scene, no matter which girl you went there to talk to, the dinner is quite similar(some small differences here and there).

Same idea can be applied to Erynn, Iris and Alexis if Nyx choses to.

And yes, while i like the fluff choices, just for fun... when you make a scene that creates big expectations on the players... and it turns out to be meaningless fluff. It sucks... that's what happened on the Erynn scene.
We already have Alexis basically making MC and Layla official before they discussed anything... let's hope we actually get something between Erynn-MC(and the other girls too, Val, Iris... whatever).


I hope Darryl does become an ally somehow.

We need more guy friends apart from Nathan.

Apart from my wish of an 80s bar fight versus the other schools relay teams that bonds our Madison Springs High Relay Team to win the race,

Darryl might become the male Elena or the mirror of the MC?

- Also abandoned by his dad, but has a lot of siblings,
- Intertwined Single mom working two or three jobs who the mc will want to fuck (I know he's fucking hopeless), (it's a stereotype but could be done well.)
- Or alcoholic dad - not violent but neglectful in his abuse? No mom?

We could also help Darryl get a good deal on fixing his scooter at John's garage if he needs it for income?
As a member of team "Darryl isn't so bad"(such proud support :ROFLMAO:) i hope so too.

And a fight is old school male bonding, i love it.
Also a potential character arc moment for Darryl-TJ if they see the MC getting jumped by multiple guys and this time they decide to help, showing that they changed from that scene with Lucas.
Maybe a begrudging first step "i don't like you, but you are on my team, can't have you getting your ass kicked by those chumps" lol.

Helping him with his scooter is also nice, and the contacts are already in place.
 

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As a member of team "Darryl isn't so bad"(such proud support :ROFLMAO:) i hope so too.

And a fight is old school male bonding, i love it.
Also a potential character arc moment for Darryl-TJ if they see the MC getting jumped by multiple guys and this time they decide to help, showing that they changed from that scene with Lucas.
Maybe a begrudging first step "i don't like you, but you are on my team, can't have you getting your ass kicked by those chumps" lol.

Helping him with his scooter is also nice, and the contacts are already in place.
I just haven't seen any redeeming qualities with Darryl at all, none. It would take some major writing effort from Nyx for me to change my mind about him and tbh I would rather she didn't. I want her to focus on the LI's not Darryl.
Darryl could have stepped in for the MC when Lucas sucker punched him at the park as they were team mates even then. I think that it's even less likely that he will step in and defend the MC now, especially if the MC beat him at training camp which pretty much humiliated him, in front of Tori in particular.
 

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I just haven't seen any redeeming qualities with Darryl at all, none. It would take some major writing effort from Nyx for me to change my mind about him and tbh I would rather she didn't. I want her to focus on the LI's not Darryl.
Darryl could have stepped in for the MC when Lucas sucker punched him at the park as they were team mates even then. I think that it's even less likely that he will step in and defend the MC now, especially if the MC beat him at training camp which pretty much humiliated him, in front of Tori in particular.
He hasn't shown many :ROFLMAO:, i won't argue that he did lol.
I also think his crimes can be forgiven if he does enough good deeds, unlike some ginger turd.

Maybe i'm reading too much from his work as a delivery guy, into maybe being poor, desperate for a scholarship... and this new guy being a threat for those things.
Plus the dude getting all the attention from local women of all ages :cool:

I don't want big Darryl scenes either, despite me being for his redemption i know this is a waste of time, but maybe it can be integrated into training scenes, and girls routes, so it happens with minimum waste.
And, maybe, after building a little common ground he'll feel more inclined towards helping when the MC finds himself in trouble.

Let's see how his behaviour evolves next week, if he doesn't change now it will be too late.
 

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I just realized as a member of the short-hair gang, that intertwine legit has a hair stylist and they don't use her other than to cut Mc's hair :cautious:
 

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I just realized as a member of the short-hair gang, that intertwine legit has a hair stylist and they don't use her other than to cut Mc's hair :cautious:
So she does have *some* business beyond the MC, just not a lot. Really only hear about one paid day cutting hair. Must be more of a hobby than a need for the income.

Emily does say that Mel cut her hair when you she picks you up at the bus stop, way back in the beginning of the story. Likely not a paid job.

Just prior to the modeling gig, and Erynn's nervous poop, she tells the MC she is going to cut hair. Probably one of the only paid gigs she has. Erynn tells MC she likely has a whole day of hair cuts booked, and a paying job(s).

When MC gets his most recent hair cut, after the Erynn bath tub scene, she asks Emily about a trim and Emily agrees. Again, not likely a paid job.
 
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I just realized as a member of the short-hair gang, that intertwine legit has a hair stylist and they don't use her other than to cut Mc's hair :cautious:
So she does have *some* business beyond the MC, just not a lot. Really only hear about one paid day cutting hair. Must be more of a hobby than a need for the income.

Emily does say that Mel cut her hair when you she picks you up at the bus stop, way back in the beginning of the story. Likely not a paid job.

Just prior to the modeling gig, and Erynn's nervous poop, she tells the MC she is going to cut hair. Probably one of the only paid gigs she has. Erynn tells MC she likely has a whole day of hair cuts booked, and a paying job(s).

When MC gets his most recent hair cut, after the Erynn bath tub scene, she asks Emily about a trim and Emily agrees. Again, not likely a paid job.
It's a first-person narrative. You see almost nothing that isn't from the MC's perspective (hedging, in case I forgot about a random scene or two where he isn't present...) so it's unlikely that he would see Melissa cutting anyone's hair, unless it was Emily perhaps, or someone else close to him. Likewise, there's not too much need for discussion of it, beyond what cooldevo pointed out, because it's simply not relevant to anything else that's happening.

Melissa is also Layla's hairstylist, and as mentioned, on one of the few times it's brought up, she says she is fully booked. Sounds like a full-time job, or thereabouts, to me.
 

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anyone have the save files from different paths of 12.3?
They're not secure and in times where some leakers put malware in their leaks you shouldn't take any risks.
I lost mine, and dont want to start all them again to play the 13.1
The actual version is 0.13.2. Maybe you should just get this version and start new. So you can also see the changes in the early game.
 

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It's a first-person narrative. You see almost nothing that isn't from the MC's perspective (hedging, in case I forgot about a random scene or two where he isn't present...) so it's unlikely that he would see Melissa cutting anyone's hair, unless it was Emily perhaps, or someone else close to him.
You are right, although I'd caveat it as a *mostly* first person. Nyx has us look into thoughts, moments, or scenes, that the MC wouldn't know about.

You do get to 'hear' thoughts some of the people are having, such as the dilemma Lexi has with herself when she finds out who MC is in the early chapters, for example. Even getting glimpses into Mel's dreams if she fantasizes about the MC. But the use cases seem to be more purpose driven to tell the stories.

There are also a few scenes where the MC isn't present, but we still get to see. Most obvious being the more contentious retelling of Emily's date with John to Mel. MC wasn't there yet, but gets to hear the retelling. Same with at the end of the update with the Ethan/Zach conversation. Also what happened inside the bar as part of John's plan and audible with Erynn. But again, most of them are for driving the plot and stories forward. It'd be much more interesting than jsut seeing the MC sit in the car for 10-15 screens worth of time while John is inside.
 

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It's double avoidable, if you have enough Emily points and tell her you don't want her dating John then she won't date him. If you don't have enough points with Emily (because you've been perving on her) and/or you don't mind her dating John but don't want to see it then you can skip the scene when you're talking to Mel.
I was in that camp, didn't mind her dating John because he seemed cool, which is rare in NPC males in AVNs and doubly so in Nyx's game. But, I never imagined that dev time would be wasted on rendering and animating that relationship.

And especially the pettiness with the last 2 updates taking the incest baiting to 11 to the point the MC started having impure thoughts about his mom and the cucky undertone the reveal was edited with, having the goofy clueless MC coming all smiley 3 seconds after his mom finished describing John and his big cock fucking her in all positions, JUST after him having another incest baiting monologue. The level of pettiness for no narrative benefit whatsoever, just screwing with the players. :KEK:

Same way the Valeria - Gym Bro - Darryl phone call scene was directed and edited last time, with the MC portrayed as insecure and weak, listening on the phone how the girl that allegedly likes him, after being dominating and demanding with the MC earlier that day is suddenly submissive and accepts the invite and touches from his rival.

Another scene with the only purpose to rile the audience as much as possible. It even contradicted Valeria's entire storyline so far in the game, with her being tired about people touching her and even rejecting Darryl twice(violently last time)...just for that scene. The same sequence of events could have took place, just have the phone call after the gym bro ass slap and Darryl beach invitation, but then it wouldn't have the same undertone, would it?

Its stuff like this that makes me regret devs getting too big to fail, because they will never prioritize fucking with the audience and character damaging fan favorite characters just to screw with the playerbase if they were just starting up.

So, circling back, now I go back and make all my saves John free, since I don't care for the dev' boner for screwing with the players. Will probably make them Brooke free also, once is revealed that she a dominatrix nutjob that fucks the mom while the MC is listening next door. :HideThePain:

I hope that we get the opportunity to steal the scholarship from him, even though the MC doesn't really need it.
Another douchebag MC choice to add to the pile. :LOL:
I hope we can wear the Alexis Cap, turned backwards, while doing so!
 
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You are right, although I'd caveat it as a *mostly* first person. Nyx has us look into thoughts, moments, or scenes, that the MC wouldn't know about.

You do get to 'hear' thoughts some of the people are having, such as the dilemma Lexi has with herself when she finds out who MC is in the early chapters, for example. Even getting glimpses into Mel's dreams if she fantasizes about the MC. But the use cases seem to be more purpose driven to tell the stories.

There are also a few scenes where the MC isn't present, but we still get to see. Most obvious being the more contentious retelling of Emily's date with John to Mel. MC wasn't there yet, but gets to hear the retelling. Same with at the end of the update with the Ethan/Zach conversation. Also what happened inside the bar as part of John's plan and audible with Erynn. But again, most of them are for driving the plot and stories forward. It'd be much more interesting than jsut seeing the MC sit in the car for 10-15 screens worth of time while John is inside.
I knew it didn't seem quite right, which is why I added the caveat to cover myself. Not properly thinking about it, of course I missed two of the most prominent scenes from the latest update :LOL:
 
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You are right, although I'd caveat it as a *mostly* first person. Nyx has us look into thoughts, moments, or scenes, that the MC wouldn't know about.

You do get to 'hear' thoughts some of the people are having, such as the dilemma Lexi has with herself when she finds out who MC is in the early chapters, for example. Even getting glimpses into Mel's dreams if she fantasizes about the MC. But the use cases seem to be more purpose driven to tell the stories.

There are also a few scenes where the MC isn't present, but we still get to see. Most obvious being the more contentious retelling of Emily's date with John to Mel. MC wasn't there yet, but gets to hear the retelling. Same with at the end of the update with the Ethan/Zach conversation. Also what happened inside the bar as part of John's plan and audible with Erynn. But again, most of them are for driving the plot and stories forward. It'd be much more interesting than jsut seeing the MC sit in the car for 10-15 screens worth of time while John is inside.
I knew it didn't seem quite right, which is why I added the caveat to cover myself. Not properly thinking about it, of course I missed two of the most prominent scenes from the latest update :LOL:
We don't follow everything they do, just some convenient moments, often to tease us about what's next.
And sometimes they just mention things they did off screen(i like these details, characters having a life outside the screen).

This episode was full of little tidbits from others.
Val running into Ethan.
Val going out with her mom if you stand her up.
Erynn running into Mr Donovan(and they know each other).
Lakeyin and Alexis keep talking after the MC leaves.
Mira breaking up with her BF.
The whole Emily recounting her date.
 
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