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I know he's been a punching bag, but her taking on those 3 alone is maybe too much :LOL:
Maybe it happened, the goons weren't with him at the club :unsure:

I think if she's going with murder Nyx botched the subsequent writing...
It's murder of a HS girl(likely from a family that has money) midtown in broad day light, consequences should be immediate, even a sociopath should be hiding and planning to flee the country.
This happened right after we leave her, 2 days pass after that, our mom should be rushing us to the burial ceremony as soon as we arrive.
Adriana and others also would be aware.
There probably would be peace walks around town and everything.
Even dumbass Zach would get the news...

Also Nyx says a lot of stuff just to get a rise out of people, you need a good filter with her.
This kind of ties in with my thoughts on it. Same with Riona from elsewhere - if Val is killed here, it will have a big impact on a good number of the main characters. Suddenly you're going to have everyone's mood changed, you're not just going to carry on as normal, doing all the same things as we've seen so far in the game (and it's not Val-path reliant, either). Sure, you'd try to carry on as normal for sanity's sake, etc., but it wouldn't be possible to do so all the time, especially at first.

It could be done, of course, but I just don't see a game like this taking such a turn (unless possibly right at the end, as the actual finale, so you don't have to really see the change). Plus whether it's because of that change, or because of getting rid of a well-liked character, there'd be the sort of backlash that most devs would specifically try to avoid.
 

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This kind of ties in with my thoughts on it. Same with Riona from elsewhere - if Val is killed here, it will have a big impact on a good number of the main characters. Suddenly you're going to have everyone's mood changed, you're not just going to carry on as normal, doing all the same things as we've seen so far in the game (and it's not Val-path reliant, either). Sure, you'd try to carry on as normal for sanity's sake, etc., but it wouldn't be possible to do so all the time, especially at first.

It could be done, of course, but I just don't see a game like this taking such a turn (unless possibly right at the end, as the actual finale, so you don't have to really see the change). Plus whether it's because of that change, or because of getting rid of a well-liked character, there'd be the sort of backlash that most devs would specifically try to avoid.
Characters who have basically no contact with Valeria can be shocked for a minute and be ok the next time we meet them, this applies to Erynn, Alexis, Iris...
The whole school section however would be really shitty if everyone just got over it quickly, and started setting up the next dates and hang outs immediately, you would have to account for how her death would affect the girls that knew her well, and the professionals that work there.

Killing her hurts the game in more ways than simply removing a fan favorite (she's winning another popularity poll on Nyx Patreon btw).
And that's ignoring the problem that had she died people around town would've heard it already 2 days later.
Specially Adriana, being the school principal, and Layla/the Monroe family by consequence.
And of course Valeria is involved in other storylines, players quite possibly torched their Alexis/Erynn relationships for her... only to get this as a payoff.

And then there's the fact that she doesn't always have this meeting with Ethan, Nyx would just make her own life waaaay more complicated with this split, having to basically do most school scenes twice, one where everyone is happy and life goes on, the other where everyone in school is sad.

The last time we had a death, Rachel the sturdess(everyone suspected Erynn at first), it was at least a canon event that couldn't be avoided... and no one except Emily knew Rachel, and even Emily wasn't close to her, it was just someone she hired then fired in a couple of weeks.
Coworkers that "liked her" got fired too.

Every "meta" fact points to no big consequences for that encounter, just a smashed phone, maybe a couple of bruises to raise the stakes a bit?
 

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Gabi? Yeah for sure. It's not an official/exclusive relationship, so why would he say he's in a relationship with her? If MC didn't "turn" on Gabi (stealing test or blackmailing her) and are continuing to see her, the MC promised to never tell anyone. So I suspect he's keeping his promise to her, in order to not hurt her.

Now if she stays just a side fling/character, I'll be disappointed. But I don't see that every happening because I don't think the story will run to the end of high school. So they'll never be able to be official. At best, becoming official could only happen after he's graduated from high school, where she'd not be at risk of losing her career.
MC was saying something like "I know Nate would keep that to his grave" and I was wondering if he would actually tell him.
 
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MC was saying something like "I know Nate would keep that to his grave" and I was wondering if he would actually tell him.
As far as I know the only girls that he speaks to Nate about is Erynn, Alexis, Nikki, Cara and Iris briefly at the park where they first met.
Nate briefly met Nikki and Cara but he shows him a picture of Erynn and Alexis. With Erynn he says that she's "The most beautiful girl he's ever seen" which shows that he has great taste. ;) With Alexis he winds the MC up about them being half siblings.
I don't think that any other girl gets a mention with Nate?

If you're messing any of those girls around he will warn the MC that he's on a dangerous path and someone is going to get hurt. Honestly I think that this also serves as a final warning from Nyx, that things are going to end very badly for an MC who is messing around with multiple girls.
 

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As far as I know the only girls that he speaks to Nate about is Erynn, Alexis, Nikki, Cara and Iris briefly at the park where they first met.
Nate briefly met Nikki and Cara but he shows him a picture of Erynn and Alexis. With Erynn he says that she's "The most beautiful girl he's ever seen" which shows that he has great taste. ;) With Alexis he winds the MC up about them being half siblings.
I don't think that any other girl gets a mention with Nate?

If you're messing any of those girls around he will warn the MC that he's on a dangerous path and someone is going to get hurt. Honestly I think that this also serves as a final warning from Nyx, that things are going to end very badly for an MC who is messing around with multiple girls.
Now that most of Erynn's content is locked in the mother of all multiroutes Erynn vs Alexis, I thought I'd take Layla to enjoy both. But the end is already in sight here.

I also understood this last warning from Nyx exactly like that! I've given up most of the multiroutes between the Riverside Girls and Madison Springs Girls, as it's already clear that Nikki and Cara's visit to Madison Springs NYX will close these multiroutes. Despite all of this, I still have 10 routes.
 

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Now that most of Erynn's content is locked in the mother of all multiroutes Erynn vs Alexis, I thought I'd take Layla to enjoy both. But the end is already in sight here.

I also understood this last warning from Nyx exactly like that! I've given up most of the multiroutes between the Riverside Girls and Madison Springs Girls, as it's already clear that Nikki and Cara's visit to Madison Springs NYX will close these multiroutes. Despite all of this, I still have 10 routes.
It would make sense to syncronize Erynn's first time in her "pure" route to with the one in her "vs Alexis" route, this way you don't have to do the same scene twice.
With all these parties just around the corner, costume, BBQ... It looks like the time for you to make your final choice is nearby, surely there will be some kind of confrontation right?

Not only Erynn-Alexis but also Erynn-Layla(if you have this combo, the game has twice given you the choice to cut things off with Erynn).
Plus Erynn starting to work at the school, that's gonna put her in direct confrontation with Layla, Val and Gabi.
And of course the photo shoot coming out, that's gonna drive any girl that you are also with insanely jealous.

And sure will be tough to balance the Riverside girls coming to town with the MS chicks.

As far as I know the only girls that he speaks to Nate about is Erynn, Alexis, Nikki, Cara and Iris briefly at the park where they first met.
Nate briefly met Nikki and Cara but he shows him a picture of Erynn and Alexis. With Erynn he says that she's "The most beautiful girl he's ever seen" which shows that he has great taste. ;) With Alexis he winds the MC up about them being half siblings.
I don't think that any other girl gets a mention with Nate?

If you're messing any of those girls around he will warn the MC that he's on a dangerous path and someone is going to get hurt. Honestly I think that this also serves as a final warning from Nyx, that things are going to end very badly for an MC who is messing around with multiple girls.
Iris dialogue changes depending on how many points you have, it can be a simple "do you know she lives there too?"(low points) or include a conversation about feelings that may still be there on either side.
Layla gets mentioned but no photos, i think Val too.

And yeah Nyx was 100% speaking through Nate, and his speech had clear touches of final warning.
 

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From a storyline perspective, it makes no sense to murder a character that we're still learning things about and who has mysterious things about her in the game.
From a porn game perspective, it makes no sense to get rid of a li before we even clap those cheeks.
Finally, in that final scene, it sounded like Ethan's bitch ass feared Val. I imagine it's likely due to who her parents are, which is why we still don't know who they are.
 

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From a storyline perspective, it makes no sense to murder a character that we're still learning things about and who has mysterious things about her in the game.
From a porn game perspective, it makes no sense to get rid of a li before we even clap those cheeks.
Finally, in that final scene, it sounded like Ethan's bitch ass feared Val. I imagine it's likely due to who her parents are, which is why we still don't know who they are.
Nyx has never stated she is a LI....
 
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If you're messing any of those girls around he will warn the MC that he's on a dangerous path and someone is going to get hurt. Honestly I think that this also serves as a final warning from Nyx, that things are going to end very badly for an MC who is messing around with multiple girls.
But the end is already in sight here.

I also understood this last warning from Nyx exactly like that! I've given up most of the multiroutes between the Riverside Girls and Madison Springs Girls, as it's already clear that Nikki and Cara's visit to Madison Springs NYX will close these multiroutes. Despite all of this, I still have 10 routes.
And sure will be tough to balance the Riverside girls coming to town with the MS chicks.
And yeah Nyx was 100% speaking through Nate, and his speech had clear touches of final warning.

Good time to repost this for all the new players ...

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From a storyline perspective, it makes no sense to murder a character that we're still learning things about and who has mysterious things about her in the game.
From a porn game perspective, it makes no sense to get rid of a li before we even clap those cheeks.
Finally, in that final scene, it sounded like Ethan's bitch ass feared Val. I imagine it's likely due to who her parents are, which is why we still don't know who they are.
It does not make sense but we are talking about this because dev once said she is going to die. Though dev is not the most trustable person with these kinda information.

I hope Nyx won't be a pussy about it and just kills her anyway, gonna love the raging on here :KEK:
Tbh, I don't think she can kill her. She also said Erynn's mom, forgot her name, will be LI but I don't see it happening anytime soon. Maybe John dating Emily can open a path MC dating her but I am skeptical.

And yeah Nyx was 100% speaking through Nate, and his speech had clear touches of final warning.
Can't be final though, if she is going to add another option. I wonder how she will solve Elena thing. Btw, Is Elena a LI?
 

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I can see Nyx pulling some shit where she dies on one path and not the other as with previous LI like Alexis and Erynn if you fuck up bad Nyx has no issue basically getting rid of them from your path / game unless you have to interact with them
 
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Can't be final though, if she is going to add another option. I wonder how she will solve Elena thing. Btw, Is Elena a LI?
It rang like a warning "make a call or things will get BAD" to my ears, to me it sounded like that we are gonna get the last "safe exit" point pretty soon and after that ALL BETS ARE OFF.
Maybe i'm wrong and you can carry on being a manwhore for a while longer... but that speech sounded ominous :eek:
Of course since this is a game we can stretch the rubber band until it snaps and then just reload :cool:

Elena is a LI according to Nyx, however her path is badly stuck in the mud and i have no idea what will happen there, it doesn't look like we are any closer to dealing with the Layla issue.
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It does not make sense but we are talking about this because dev once said she is going to die. Though dev is not the most trustable person with these kinda information.
Nikki was also supposed to die, according to Nyx, but she is now a LI. You can't take a lot that Nyx says seriously, other than it might be trolling. Unless it's in the game, it's not set in stone.

Tbh, I don't think she can kill her. She also said Erynn's mom, forgot her name, will be LI but I don't see it happening anytime soon. Maybe John dating Emily can open a path MC dating her but I am skeptical.
I think the only 100% absolute thing Nyx has said is there will be no incest. Until she shows anything else in the game it'd be safe to assume she's just trolling the incest fans, as she seems to enjoy doing it.
 

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I think the only 100% absolute thing Nyx has said is there will be no incest. Until she shows anything else in the game it'd be safe to assume she's just trolling the incest fans, as she seems to enjoy doing it.
MC and Melissa is not related, nor John and Emily. So no incest going on there. Iirc, she gave LI list which included Melissa and excluded Val.
Nikki was also supposed to die, according to Nyx, but she is now a LI. You can't take a lot that Nyx says seriously, other than it might be trolling. Unless it's in the game, it's not set in stone.
Iirc, it was an answer to that on discord. She said she changed Nikki's path but not going to change Val's. Though, you are right, nothing she said can be trusted.
 
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MC and Melissa is not related, nor John and Emily. So no incest going on there. Iirc, she gave LI list which included Melissa and excluded Val.
Ahh misread your first part. You mentioned Emily's name, then John, then said if they were dating it could open an LI path. You were referring to Emily and John dating, and that possibly opening Mel's path? I hope not.

If the MC has enough Emily Points, and he says he'd prefer she didn't, then she won't date John. So that'd lock anyone out of a possible Mel path for anyone that didn't let them date. There'd have to be an alternate path to Mel's if it's added, should you decline Emily dating John. If Mel gets a path, I think/hope it'll be unrelated to Emily dating John.

Iirc, it was an answer to that on discord. She said she changed Nikki's path but not going to change Val's. Though, you are right, nothing she said can be trusted.
That's making an assumption that Nyx didn't/doesn't have a path worked out for Val and just hasn't been talking about it. Or more deliciously, trolling about it.
 

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I can see Nyx pulling some shit where she dies on one path and not the other as with previous LI like Alexis and Erynn if you fuck up bad Nyx has no issue basically getting rid of them from your path / game unless you have to interact with them
I'm completely opposite on this. I can't see it at all because it would vastly increase development time. You suddenly need double the scenes/dialogue related to the aftermath of her death from now until the end of the VN.
It's why most deaths in other VNs (Megan/Melissa, Stella) are canon events that happen regardless of route.

Nyx has no problem dunking the MC for the player making bad decisions but Alexis isn't going to wind up dead in a ditch somewhere if you two time her and Erynn. She will end up dead in a ditch if she calls Melissa a milf though.
 
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