cooldevo

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A volleyball drawn a face to it called Wilson will be better than him, so not a big accomplishment on Brooke.

I am not sure you remember the flashbacks as well. Emily told about the baby to him and he fucking ran away then sent his parents. A simple I didn't know can't be true or won't cut it either. Emily, as stupid as she is, can still go for him. After she used Andres to raise MC and now the responsibility is lessened Santi can return their life and be a "father" to MC. That does not change the fact, neither Emily nor Santi is terrible people and them being end up together is boring, cliché, witless end for them. Oh, btw I don't defend Andres at all either, he deserved everything happened to him and more. Though, MC being such an asshole to him is really sad, dude was his father all his life and most of it as a single parent, yet MC cut him off like it was all nothing.
Santi absolutely did run away when Emily told him. I'm not advocating he was a mature/good person by any means. They were teenagers at the time, so can't always expect rational responses. But I don't recall any indication he sent his parents. Unless I really missed something somewhere. If that was the case, why would it seem that he was surprised she was so blunt with rejecting him?

I *thought* Andres was always in love with Emily as well. Didn't he step in as a husband/father on the condition that Emily never told MC about not being his son.

My memory must be really shot if that's the case.
 

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But I don't recall any indication he sent his parents. Unless I really missed something somewhere. If that was the case, why would it seem that he was surprised she was so blunt with rejecting him?

My memory must be really shot if that's the case.
he may not have sent them, but he told them, and they went anyway to get the kid aborted, so there is that. He may or may not know that part, but likely not.
 

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Santi absolutely did run away when Emily told him. I'm not advocating he was a mature/good person by any means. They were teenagers at the time, so can't always expect rational responses. But I don't recall any indication he sent his parents. Unless I really missed something somewhere. If that was the case, why would it seem that he was surprised she was so blunt with rejecting him?

I *thought* Andres was always in love with Emily as well. Didn't he step in as a husband/father on the condition that Emily never told MC about not being his son.

My memory must be really shot if that's the case.
Whether it was his idea or his parents, they were definitely involved. I seem to recall they met Emily for lunch or something and tried to buy her off with an envelope of cash.
 

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he may not have sent them, but he told them, and they went anyway to get the kid aborted, so there is that. He may or may not know that part, but likely not.
Oh he absolutely did tell them. I think at that age he was just a bit more ignorant than he may be now. A high profile sports agent can't be too slow as social queues when negotiating contracts.


Whether it was his idea or his parents, they were definitely involved. I seem to recall they met Emily for lunch or something and tried to buy her off with an envelope of cash.
They absolutely did try to pay her off with an envelope, you are right. That was was upset her, and even moreso when Santi came up to her at the beach in the next scenes.
 
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I get the feeling, from the beach flashback, that he didn't understand why Emily was so upset and shut him out. So perhaps that's at play as well.
It certainly seems like seeing Emily with a different dude sparked him into action...
He could've contacted her regardless, but only does after the John date.
and he fucking ran away
won't happen, his mother didn't take the money, so the son won't take the Porsche! Like mother, like son. Point!
Like mother, like son ...

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Santi absolutely did run away when Emily told him. I'm not advocating he was a mature/good person by any means. They were teenagers at the time, so can't always expect rational responses. But I don't recall any indication he sent his parents. Unless I really missed something somewhere. If that was the case, why would it seem that he was surprised she was so blunt with rejecting him?

I *thought* Andres was always in love with Emily as well. Didn't he step in as a husband/father on the condition that Emily never told MC about not being his son.

My memory must be really shot if that's the case.
Santi ran away as you know, then his parents showed up in front of Emily's door. Emily did not say anything to them, that means Santi told them. He did not reach out to Emily before his family, this means he was not intended to be a father also. So, only logical conclusion was he told his parents Emily is pregnant and he is not planning to be a father. Whether they decided to money thing together or was being solution of his parents matters so little. Btw, they have photos together after the beach scene, so Emily was at least friendly with him. The photo Mel showed to MC that Santi carrying Emily on his shoulder must after pregnancy announcement, because Mel was in it. Emily met Mel after she learned her pregnancy. So, she must have forgave Santi again.

Andres was not in love with Emily at the beginning. Santi cucked him hard with his, iirc, first GF albeit only flirting phase, not real dating stage. So, he hit on Emily as revenge because she was Santi's childhood on/off GF. Emily accepted Andres as a rebound too. Then after the fight about the pregnancy, he promised to take care of the child. Which btw I really don't fucking understand because how would being a stepdaddy to your enemy's child is a revenge. After MC born, he made Emily promise she never see Santi and they are not going to tell MC about his father, nor Santi about MC. It's not clear when Andres was started to feel fatherly towards MC but there was a mention when he first called him father, something changed in him. Emily kept her promise as long as she needed Andres' help then she started to see Santi, also immediately mentioned about MC too and the promise. Santi responded with he is okay with the promise. Another indication he is not interested in being a father to MC, even a decade later. That made Andres furious, which is understandable. It's not clear here but I assume Andres paid all of Santi's student loan as a revenge. Anyway, they divorced he left town and MC. Up until this point, there is no indication neither Emily nor Andres loved each other but Andres loved MC as his son, this is an accepted fact from all 3 sides. Then MC became unruly, whole Erynn thing etc. He was getting in trouble, some problems at school too etc. Emily decided to send MC to Andres as he is the only person MC was obeying to. At the beginning, it was only for a summer. Though, Andres realized MC going back to Emily would only harm him, so he suggested keeping MC long term. Emily reluctantly agreed. Then dude become the single dad to a child he has no blood relation. MC remembers those times fondly too. MC refused to talk to his mother. Never answered the phones, even refused to see her in person when she tried to reconnect. Did I mention MC is huge twat? Anyways, it's the beginning of the game at this point.

So, Santi refused and ran away first time he heard about MC. Then sent his parents. Then refused to see him after almost a decade later. He never intended to be MC's parent. Emily used Andres as long as she needed him. Nobody mentions this but Santi's parents offered money because Emily's financial struggles. Iirc, Emily was estranged with her family. So, she decided to stay with a guy who she never loved to use him to raise a child. Up until the whole Andres cheating on Haley thing, she thought Andres was in love with her and she was okay to use him. She easily broke her promise as soon as she had a chance. I really don't understand why people like Emily around here, she is despicable.
 
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MC is a huge twat if you ask me but he had a reason to believe Erynn was laughing at him, then when he tried to talk again Ethan bullied him. He did not leave the next day, so he saw Ethan and Erynn staying good friends, probably second best friend after Alexis everyday. His anger was not uncalled for. Also, he was around 10 at the time.

While, Santi ran away a situation he was aware of, there was nothing to misunderstand, nothing vague. He decided to left Emily when she was most vulnerable. MC as cunt as he is, 100 times better man than Santi.
 
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There is currently no point at all in a bromance with Zach currently and if Dev waits too long for some kind of payoff the route will simply lack value to be playable. Needs to fix that. Zach betraying you no matter what is disappointing. His points have 0 value.
 

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There is currently no point at all in a bromance with Zach currently and if Dev waits too long for some kind of payoff the route will simply lack value to be playable. Needs to fix that. Zach betraying you no matter what is disappointing. His points have 0 value.
I don't know where you've been but we've known the Zach points were moot for a long time now. Originally there was going to be an "evil" route where you side with Ethan and the Zach points would have mattered but it got scrapped. The points are in the game now as legacy stuff. Nyx could pick them up and use them for something else but given how much Zach is hated I don't see it happening.
 

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Santi ran away as you know, then his parents showed up in front of Emily's door. Emily did not say anything to them, that means Santi told them. He did not reach out to Emily before his family, this means he was not intended to be a father also. So, only logical conclusion was he told his parents Emily is pregnant and he is not planning to be a father. Whether they decided to money thing together or was being solution of his parents matters so little. Btw, they have photos together after the beach scene, so Emily was at least friendly with him. The photo Mel showed to MC that Santi carrying Emily on his shoulder must after pregnancy announcement, because Mel was in it. Emily met Mel after she learned her pregnancy. So, she must have forgave Santi again.

Andres was not in love with Emily at the beginning. Santi cucked him hard with his, iirc, first GF albeit only flirting phase, not real dating stage. So, he hit on Emily as revenge because she was Santi's childhood on/off GF. Emily accepted Andres as a rebound too. Then after the fight about the pregnancy, he promised to take care of the child. Which btw I really don't fucking understand because how would being a stepdaddy to your enemy's child is a revenge. After MC born, he made Emily promise she never see Santi and they are not going to tell MC about his father, nor Santi about MC. It's not clear when Andres was started to feel fatherly towards MC but there was a mention when he first called him father, something changed in him. Emily kept her promise as long as she needed Andres' help then she started to see Santi, also immediately mentioned about MC too and the promise. Santi responded with he is okay with the promise. Another indication he is not interested in being a father to MC, even a decade later. That made Andres furious, which is understandable. It's not clear here but I assume Andres paid all of Santi's student loan as a revenge. Anyway, they divorced he left town and MC. Up until this point, there is no indication neither Emily nor Andres loved each other but Andres loved MC as his son, this is an accepted fact from all 3 sides. Then MC became unruly, whole Erynn thing etc. He was getting in trouble, some problems at school too etc. Emily decided to send MC to Andres as he is the only person MC was obeying to. At the beginning, it was only for a summer. Though, Andres realized MC going back to Emily would only harm him, so he suggested keeping MC long term. Emily reluctantly agreed. Then dude become the single dad to a child he has no blood relation. MC remembers those times fondly too. MC refused to talk to his mother. Never answered the phones, even refused to see her in person when she tried to reconnect. Did I mention MC is huge twat? Anyways, it's the beginning of the game at this point.

So, Santi refused and ran away first time he heard about MC. Then sent his parents. Then refused to see him after almost a decade later. He never intended to be MC's parent. Emily used Andres as long as she needed him. Nobody mentions this but Santi's parents offered money because Emily's financial struggles. Iirc, Emily was estranged with her family. So, she decided to stay with a guy who she never loved to use him to raise a child. Up until the whole Andres cheating on Haley thing, she thought Andres was in love with her and she was okay to use him. She easily broke her promise as soon as she had a chance. I really don't understand why people like Emily around here, she is despicable.

Morale of the story, all three of them are horrible people and deserve endless diarrhea. The type that runs down the leg.

MC is a huge twat if you ask me but he had a reason to believe Erynn was laughing at him, then when he tried to talk again Ethan bullied him. He did not leave the next day, so he saw Ethan and Erynn staying good friends, probably second best friend after Alexis everyday. His anger was not uncalled for. Also, he was around 10 at the time.
I don't blame him for being angry either, but Erynn is also a huge twat for staying friend with Ethan.
 
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Erynn is also a huge twat for staying friend with Ethan.
I can't agree on this one, sorry. If you want to see that in negative way, she is plain stupid. Or if you want to see it in positive way, she is naïve. Ethan is good at manipulating people and he manipulated Erynn. I am not going to victim blame her on this. Was it wrong to stay friends with him after MC left? Definitely. Is she a bad person because of it? Absolutely not. I don't like her a bit, she is not that beautiful either. Whenever someone mentions how beautiful she is, I say 'yeah, right' but not a twat about that. Only time Erynn being unfair was her interaction with Alexis at the bar, especially when she blamed her fucking Ethan, other than that I don't remember her being a bad person. Btw, I don't believe in her explanation. There is more to there we don't know. When someone confessed to you, you don't say just a minute and go laugh at memes. I would not be surprised she was laughing at MC about the confession.
 
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I can't agree on this one, sorry. If you want to see that in negative way, she is plain stupid. Or if you want to see it in positive way, she is naïve. Ethan is good at manipulating people and he manipulated Erynn. I am not going to victim blame her on this. Was it wrong to stay friends with him after MC left? Definitely. Is she a bad person because of it? Absolutely not. I don't like her a bit, she is not that beautiful either. Whenever someone mentions how beautiful she is, I say 'yeah, right' but not a twat about that. Only time Erynn being unfair was her interaction with Alexis at the bar, especially when she blamed her fucking Ethan, other than that I don't remember her being a bad person. Btw, I don't believe in her explanation. There is more to there we don't know. When someone confessed to you, you don't say just a minute and go laugh at memes. I would not be surprised she was laughing at MC about the confession.
I don't think she's a horrible person. I think she's absolute moron for staying friends with him. It doesn't take a rocket science to see he's a total cunt, manipulative or not. Look at the way he treats people. Alexis just tolerates him for Erynn. Would you stay friends with a person similar to Ethan, who also bullies another one of your friends?
 

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I don't think she's a horrible person. I think she's absolute moron for staying friends with him. It doesn't take a rocket science to see he's a total cunt, manipulative or not. Look at the way he treats people. Alexis just tolerates him for Erynn. Would you stay friends with person similar to Ethan, who also bullies another one of your friends?
I would not, that's one of the reason I think there is more than dev told us. That whole interaction was sketchy to put it mildly. We'll see, if dev ever shows us. When I say twat to a person though, I usually mean they are direct contender for annually held the most horrible person tournament.
 
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