VN Ren'Py Intertwined [v0.14.1] [Nyx]

[3J1E]

Maybe she will mention something to someone like Alexis or Iris... she does call Alexis for help if you leave her in the alley.
And that will lead to this group of people learning what's going on.

I've never not helped Erynn, so didn't know that she calls Alexis if you didn't help.

One of my earlier random theories before the sped up blackmail plot, was that Santi / Zo might get involved. At the club where Ethan meets John Ethan is excited when he thinks John has contacts, particularly with the basketball team. John obviously doesn't really have those links, but Santi does... The groundwork isn't there for it to work any more, there's too little time given than Santi and MC haven't even had their father / son chat yet. But Santi could actually have made the John plan work with Alexis helping...

Anyway, much simpler just to have John beat Ethan to death and get it done!

Let things stay as they are, and Erynn gets a bad ending... maybe as Ethan's mistreated GF, maybe embraces being a whore(like the old corruption storyline that got cut, except you are not an active participant).

Taking her comments with a massive pinch of salt, but hasn't Nyx said that she maintains a private alternative version of the game that includes stuff like this? One of the examples was that in her personal version the 'fake erynn' in the last episode actually was Erynn if you weren't helping her, along with a few other sort of ntr things she's added. Seem to remember her saying that none of that content would ever be in the official version of the game, but she might release her alternative version once the main game is done...

Doubt Erynn will get a really bad ending in the main game, would just be too dark and wouldn't go down well. Can see one last chance for the MC to do the right thing, and if not some combination of John / Alexis / Melissa sort it out while the MC ends up deservedly hated!

 

[LSC82]

I've never not helped Erynn, so didn't know that she calls Alexis if you didn't help.

I've done it in the past, i wanted to explore the consequences and see what happens, it feels really shitty...
Erynn never speaks to you again, Ethan gloats to your face, Melissa catches that there's tension between you and Erynn...
And if you were dating Alexis she breaks up with you over you leaving Erynn behind.
I kinda dropped the save after the Zach+Ethan scene, i didn't feel like carrying it forward, so more recent events after the fight with Zach i have no clue.

I think some friends mentioned that some other things are cut, like the more recent Zach and Ethan at the club scene(at least it's not shown), it doesn't exist if you left Erynn behind.
And i presume John doesn't go to the other club either.

One of my earlier random theories before the sped up blackmail plot, was that Santi / Zo might get involved. At the club where Ethan meets John Ethan is excited when he thinks John has contacts, particularly with the basketball team. John obviously doesn't really have those links, but Santi does... The groundwork isn't there for it to work any more, there's too little time given than Santi and MC haven't even had their father / son chat yet. But Santi could actually have made the John plan work with Alexis helping...

Anyway, much simpler just to have John beat Ethan to death and get it done!

Yes, they are actually perfectly suited for what MC-John were trying to pull.
They could've done that without skipping a beat.
Almost too logical and too easy for Nyx's tastes.

And John is better suited to bashing his skull with a wrench, he has a garage full of them

Taking her comments with a massive pinch of salt, but hasn't Nyx said that she maintains a private alternative version of the game that includes stuff like this? One of the examples was that in her personal version the 'fake erynn' in the last episode actually was Erynn if you weren't helping her, along with a few other sort of ntr things she's added. Seem to remember her saying that none of that content would ever be in the official version of the game, but she might release her alternative version once the main game is done...

Doubt Erynn will get a really bad ending in the main game, would just be too dark and wouldn't go down well. Can see one last chance for the MC to do the right thing, and if not some combination of John / Alexis / Melissa sort it out while the MC ends up deservedly hated!

I was just mentioning possibilities.
And in the bad Erynn ending we probably wouldn't see much, just Erynn going in/out of a club accompanied by a random rich guy(old perv? Santiago ?) or Ethan.
Hinting at her fate, but without actually showing her... "entertaining" a bunch of old rich dudes.
Showing something like that in all the gory details, if it ever comes, will only be a "what if?" story after Intertwined is complete.

As an alternative to this one, we could have Erynn getting a good ending(aided by John, Melissa, Iris, Alexis, Zo...), but the MC gets exposed and shunned for being an asshole.

And of course the redemption ending, where you help out and MC-Erynn become friends again.

 

[Tremonia]

I think the solution to Ethan's problem is going in a completely different direction than most people suspect. Ethan's goons killed Rachel. The cops found out and Ethan is being arrested because he was the one who ordered it.

 

[Kaskaze]

Every time we start talking about some shit, it feels like this is exactly how we look :

 

[valbitterb]

Conspiracy theory moment... Nyx already knew this but released V14 with a flawed script to get people talking.
She announced her plans for scrapping saves and re-doing the script before 14 was even out.

Wouldn't put it past her. After many of us on this thread figured out her tells, she went into full blown multi-update conspiracy.

I think some friends mentioned that some other things are cut, like the more recent Zach and Ethan at the club scene(at least it's not shown), it doesn't exist if you left Erynn behind.
And i presume John doesn't go to the other club either.

On the social pariah path yes (main choices don't help Erynn or the Monroes you're a disgusting POS. Both can't be done at the same time on this path). And Erynn-Lexi give you dirty looks when you bump into them. Your last chance is the Erynn letter left by Andres.

 

[Acsuka]

Your last chance is the Erynn letter left by Andres.

Dude, on this route, an angry Erynn will tear up your reply letter in front of your face, so that Erynn won't even read it...

 

[valbitterb]

Dude, on this route, an angry Erynn will tear up your reply letter in front of your face, so that Erynn won't even read it...

Poetic justice since the MC did the same to many of her letters throughout the five years.

 

[Acsuka]

Poetic justice since the MC did the same to many of her letters throughout the five years.

 

[LSC82]

Wouldn't put it past her. After many of us on this thread figured out her tells, she went into full blown multi-update conspiracy.

She already knew she was rebooting before the release of V14.
Nyx knew she didn't need a perfect script because it was getting remade for the next update anyway.

And why would she release it "broken"? And aware that it's broken...
Because it makes the "real or not?" discussion about the latest Melissa scene more mysterious.
If Melissa refused sex, but only on the Erynn path... It would be pretty clear that, Oh yeah, this time they actually had sex.
There would be no mystery, and Nyx loves her mysteries

Then she can simply say it's just something that got fixed on the newer version of the script.

But it's just a conspiracy theory right now

On the social pariah path yes (main choices don't help Erynn or the Monroes you're a disgusting POS. Both can't be done at the same time on this path). And Erynn-Lexi give you dirty looks when you bump into them. Your last chance is the Erynn letter left by Andres.

A combination of the letter and deciding to help against Ethan last minute, should be enough to help repair the relationship...
Unless Acsuka is right about Erynn tearing the letter apart right on the MCs face

 

[3J1E]

I've done it in the past, i wanted to explore the consequences and see what happens, it feels really shitty...

Yeah, not something I really feel any need to try, but interesting to know how the game adapts to it!

I was just mentioning possibilities.
And in the bad Erynn ending we probably wouldn't see much, just Erynn going in/out of a club accompanied by a random rich guy(old perv? Santiago ?) or Ethan.
Hinting at her fate, but without actually showing her... "entertaining" a bunch of old rich dudes.
Showing something like that in all the gory details, if it ever comes, will only be a "what if?" story after Intertwined is complete.

I get the impression that left to her own devices Nyx would really like to more explicitly show the consequences of the MC being a dick or cheating. She's also mentioned stuff like showing Nikki cheating on you at the beach if you're cheating on her. She's not stupid though and I guess she knows that including that stuff would probably lose her a decent number of supporters, even if it was easily avoidable by not making awful choices!

Assuming Nyx really does have a private version with that material I'm not sure she would ever release it. Not sure what she'd gain, it would probably just piss people off.

And of course the redemption ending, where you help out and MC-Erynn become friends again.

Poetic justice since the MC did the same to many of her letters throughout the five years.

The choices to help / not help Erynn are pretty explicit, I don't think anyone could claim to have accidentally refused to help and didn't realise what would happen. If you've got to that point in the game refusing to help I can't see why Erynn would want anything to do with you, it would need to be a seriously impressive letter to patch things up...

 

[Acsuka]

I get the impression that left to her own devices Nyx would really like to more explicitly show the consequences of the MC being a dick or cheating. She's also mentioned stuff like showing Nikki cheating on you at the beach if you're cheating on her. She's not stupid though and I guess she knows that including that stuff would probably lose her a decent number of supporters, even if it was easily avoidable by not making awful choices!

Assuming Nyx really does have a private version with that material I'm not sure she would ever release it. Not sure what she'd gain, it would probably just piss people off.

You might actually be right about these unreleased scenes. Maybe they'll share them with players at the end of the game as DLC, with the title: What if...

 

[LSC82]

Yeah, not something I really feel any need to try, but interesting to know how the game adapts to it!

Yeah, it's interesting to see a game keep track, and show consequences, even for choices most people won't ever pick.

I get the impression that left to her own devices Nyx would really like to more explicitly show the consequences of the MC being a dick or cheating. She's also mentioned stuff like showing Nikki cheating on you at the beach if you're cheating on her. She's not stupid though and I guess she knows that including that stuff would probably lose her a decent number of supporters, even if it was easily avoidable by not making awful choices!

Assuming Nyx really does have a private version with that material I'm not sure she would ever release it. Not sure what she'd gain, it would probably just piss people off.

You might actually be right about these unreleased scenes. Maybe they'll share them with players at the end of the game as DLC, with the title: What if...

I have this same impression, i think Nyx would like things to be a lot darker, Ethan wins scenarios, girls finding new relationships... all the way to Ethan-MC teaming up to corrupt Erynn and other girls
But she also knows it would be unpopular and more trouble than they are worth.

Like Acsuka said, Nyx has teased about the possibility of doing a "what if?" version someday after the game is complete, where these nastier scenes are shown.

Right now, from the 3 options i mentioned, i think Erynn ends up still working for Ethan and more corrupted the least likely.
MC gets exposed as a shitty guy and shunned by many is the most likely.
Redemption might be available as an option.

The choices to help / not help Erynn are pretty explicit, I don't think anyone could claim to have accidentally refused to help and didn't realise what would happen. If you've got to that point in the game refusing to help I can't see why Erynn would want anything to do with you, it would need to be a seriously impressive letter to patch things up...

I agree, no one can say they took those choices because they weren't clear enough...

And maybe he doesn't deserve redemption... but who knows, it might still be possible with all the things surrounding Erynn that still happen regardless of you helping her or not, and all the close friends and family on both sides.

 

[Kaskaze]

Yeah, it's interesting to see a game keep track, and show consequences even for choices most people won't ever pick.



I have this same impression that Nyx would like things to be a lot darker, Ethan wins scenarios, girls finding new relationships... all the way to Ethan-MC teaming up to corrupt Erynn and other girls
But she also knows it would be unpopular and more trouble than they are worth.

Like Acsuka said, Nyx has teased about the possibility of doing a "what if?" version someday after the game is complete, where these nastier scenes are shown.

Right now, from the 3 options i mentioned, i think Erynn ends up still working for Ethan and more corrupted the least likely.
MC gets exposed as a shitty guy and shunned by many is the most likely.
Redemption might be available as an option.

I agree, no one can say they took those choices because they weren't clear enough...

And maybe he doesn't deserve redemption... but who knows, it might still be possible with all the things surrounding Erynn that still happen regardless of you helping her or not, and all the close friends and family on both sides.

That would be amazing. Intertwined - Dark Times

 

[Acsuka]

That would be amazing. Intertwined - Dark Times

Or: Intertwined - Diary of an Asshole.

 

[valbitterb]

I get the impression that left to her own devices Nyx would really like to more explicitly show the consequences of the MC being a dick or cheating. She's also mentioned stuff like showing Nikki cheating on you at the beach if you're cheating on her. She's not stupid though and I guess she knows that including that stuff would probably lose her a decent number of supporters, even if it was easily avoidable by not making awful choices!

So Nikki and Zane on the beach either as cheating on the mc or Nikki making the mc jealous while she's with Zane is not outside the realm of possibility. Nikki did ask the mc to help her make Aiden jealous back in Riverside, so this would be another piece of poetic justice if Nikki caught a scumbag MC cheating.

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The choices to help / not help Erynn are pretty explicit, I don't think anyone could claim to have accidentally refused to help and didn't realise what would happen. If you've got to that point in the game refusing to help I can't see why Erynn would want anything to do with you, it would need to be a seriously impressive letter to patch things up...

When the Lexi and Erynn waifu wars were very vicious several hundred pages back on this thread, we've had flat out Erynn haters deliberately refuse to help her in the alley against Ethan, and also openly admit it on this thread.

If you did not help Erynn in the alley scene against Ethan: I agree with Acsuka and you that a letter and even deciding to help her against Ethan might not be enough. MC is going to have to do the noble sacrifice: taking an Ethan gun bullet for Erynn/Iris/John. I'm guessing he could take the bullet for John so that Erynn could have a father. The MC doesn't die but is in coma for a few weeks before waking up. Then there's a teary eyed apology in the hospital room and heartfelt talk between MC-Erynn in the hospital. That's probably the only way Erynn can forgive him and he makes up for abandoning her in the alley. And they can still be friends.

And maybe he doesn't deserve redemption... but who knows, it might still be possible with all the things surrounding Erynn that still happen regardless of you helping her or not, and all the close friends and family on both sides.

See above scenario.

That would be amazing. Intertwined - Dark Times

Copyright that title: Nyx will steal it for her variant.

Or: Intertwined - Diary of an Asshole.

Did you tell Acsuka about my diary Kaskaze?

 

[3J1E]

She already knew she was rebooting before the release of V14.
Nyx knew she didn't need a perfect script because it was getting remade for the next update anyway.

But it's just a conspiracy theory right now

I don't think I'd realised before that the script rewrite included v14, I assumed that she was just rewriting the script from earlier in the game to fix old issues. Interesting, it does open the door for her to mess with players a bit, I like the theory!

I have this same impression that Nyx would like things to be a lot darker, Ethan wins scenarios, girls finding new relationships... all the way to Ethan-MC teaming up to corrupt Erynn and other girls
But she also knows it would be unpopular and more trouble than they are worth.

Like Acsuka said, Nyx has teased about the possibility of doing a "what if?" version someday after the game is complete, where these nastier scenes are shown.

I think Nyx has been pretty clear that if you're kind and loyal then you'd never see any of that material and everything would always be fine. But like you say, if you're unkind and cheat on girls then the consequences could get darker. I pretty much only play 'good' solo routes anyway so I guess it's not something that would affect me, but I don't mind the idea for those that want it. Maybe not the full evil corruption stuff with Ethan, but I like the idea of cheating having consequences in terms of girls moving on with other people.

One interesting scene that she's talked about is actually showing the Erynn blackmail video when Ethan shows you. We know it exists, it's in the past and isn't her doing anything wrong, but I'm guessing that would still cause a load of issues and isn't worth the hassle. Personally don't think we need to see it for it to work as a plot device, just including it as an added sexy scene would feel a bit creepy given the context...

Either way none of it will be in the main game, not worth the hassle!

Right now, from the 3 options i mentioned, i think Erynn ends up still working for Ethan and more corrupted the least likely.
MC gets exposed as a shitty guy and shunned by many is the most likely.
Redemption might be available as an option.

I agree, no one can say they took those choices because they weren't clear enough...

And maybe he doesn't deserve redemption... but who knows, it might still be possible with all the things surrounding Erynn that still happen regardless of you helping her or not, and all the close friends and family on both sides.

I'd be really surprised if Erynn staying with Ethan and getting corrupted is an option in the main game. It just feels like the overall tone is aimed at the soap opera thing with lots of drama and twists and emotions, but not going into anything properly dark like that.

You could maybe get some redemption if you didn't let Erynn explain her situation at all and pretty much blanked her so you aren't really aware of what's going on or how serious it was. Or do you always know about the blackmail, I can't remember? If you let Erynn explain her situation about the blackmail and then decide not to bother helping that feels pretty irredeemable!

 

[Kaskaze]

So Nikki and Zane on the beach either as cheating on the mc or Nikki making the mc jealous while she's with Zane is not outside the realm of possibility. Nikki did ask the mc to help her make Aiden jealous back in Riverside, so this would be another piece of poetic justice if Nikki caught a scumbag MC cheating.

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When the Lexi and Erynn waifu wars were very vicious several hundred pages back on this thread, we've had flat out Erynn haters deliberately refuse to help her in the alley against Ethan, and also openly admit it on this thread.

I agree with Acsuka and you that a letter and even deciding to help her against Ethan might not be enough. MC is going to have to do the noble sacrifice: taking an Ethan gun bullet for Erynn/Iris/John. I'm guessing he could take the bullet for John so that Erynn could have a father. The MC doesn't die but is in coma for a few weeks before waking up. Then there's a teary eyed apology in the hospital room and heartfelt talk between MC-Erynn in the hospital. That's probably the only way Erynn can forgive him and he makes up for abandoning her in the alley. And they can still be friends.



See above scenario.



Copyright that title: Nyx will steal it for her variant.



Did you tell Acsuka about my diary Kaskaze?

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I don't like what you did with muscle mommy
But yes, you deserve this T-shirt

 

[3J1E]

So Nikki and Zane on the beach either as cheating on the mc or Nikki making the mc jealous while she's with Zane is not outside the realm of possibility. Nikki did ask the mc to help her make Aiden jealous back in Riverside, so this would be another piece of poetic justice if Nikki caught a scumbag MC cheating.

I thought Nyx mentioned that she has an ntr scene with Nikki at the beach if you've cheated on her. Don't think she mentioned Zane specifically, but it does seem like that would fit. I might have that a bit wrong though, it's been a while. Even if it does exist in nyx's version we're not seeing it in the game, if ever though. It will have to stick to the fan-art thread for now!

Edit - just to add I'm probably wrong on this. Had a quick look back at the discord Q&A where Nyx talked about this stuff and she mentions Nikki being in her ntr version of the game, but can't find the details. It might be in there somewhere or I might have just remembered wrong - don't want to mislead anyone!

 

[Acsuka]

I don't like what you did with muscle mommy
But yes, you deserve this T-shirt

Dude, if it's any consolation, I'll make another muscle mommy video for you today.

 

[Kaskaze]

I think Nyx has mentioned that she has a scene where Nikki goes off and has sex with another man in one of the beach huts if you've cheated on her. Don't think she mentioned Zane specifically, but it does seem like that would fit. I might have that a bit wrong though, it's been a while. Even if it does exist we're not seeing it for a long time, if ever though. It will have to stick to the fan-art thread for now!

WHAT KIND OF IDIOT DO YOU HAVE TO BE TO CHEAT ON A MUSCLE MOMMY