VN Ren'Py Intertwined [v0.14.1] [Nyx]

[Justaphase]

Someone who dislikes Erynn based just on what little they're told is acting, quite literally, on mental level of overreacting 13-year old who can't let a child grudge go for five years and counting. I guess their only saving grace is that they lack actual years long deep friendship that the MC is supposed to have with her and is more than happy to completely overlook in favor of being a perpetual drama queen.

What I meant by that is that at this point in the story Erynn is only shown as the mean girl who laughed with her friends at his confession. It's only after this point (meeting Erynn again) that we start to see things from her perspective and the actual truth.
This is an unfair point in the story to make the player choose between the fun and cute girl Layla and Erynn, especially a choice that permanently blocks one of their romantic paths.

 

[NadaMucho]

Man, when your own mother blackmails you, sheesh... ...couldn't she just guilt you a bit instead?

Nice to see you caught that but we all know Mel wants the MC more than Erynn does

 

[NewGuy2022]

Someone who dislikes Erynn based just on what little they're told is acting, quite literally, on mental level of overreacting 13-year old who can't let a child grudge go for five years and counting. I guess their only saving grace is that they lack actual years long deep friendship that the MC is supposed to have with her and is more than happy to completely overlook in favor of being a perpetual drama queen.

People often criticize me for thinking like myself vs. thinking like the MC would (I'm not very good at that, honestly). I suppose if one tries to think as the MC would, that wrong decision actually makes sense at that point in the game.

 

[NewGuy2022]

Nice to see you caught that but we all know Mel wants the MC more than Erynn does

And some of us really want the mother(s), too.

 

[ffive]

What I meant by that is that at this point in the story Erynn is only shown as the mean girl who laughed with her friends at his confession.

But that's not really true. Erynn is also said to be MC's closest friend for years. So this is really a matter of making a choice which of these two factors is more important, both to MC and the player.

It's only after this point (meeting Erynn again) that we start to see things from her perspective and the actual truth.
This is an unfair point in the story to make the player choose between the fun and cute girl Layla and Erynn, especially a choice that permanently blocks one of their paths.

Yeah, i agree this is imo way too early point in the story to put a block on the player's ability to date one or the other. I mean, you barely know anything about either of them at this time.

Granted, this wouldn't be the first time game does it -- Alexis is basically "bang her five minutes after you met her or you can forget she's got a route" deal. ASP notwithstanding, since it effectively skips bulk of her actual romance path.

 

[Justaphase]

But that's not really true. Erynn is also said to be MC's closest friend for years. So this is really a matter of making a choice which or these two factors is more important, both to MC and the player.

Great point. I don't think many pay attention to the "We were best friends and grew up together, we were inseparable." I agree that they absolutely should pay attention to that. What most take away is that she got new friends and then laughed at his confession. Almost ignoring what we were told that they had before that.

 

[LSC82]

And some of us really want the mother(s), too.

Even as an Erynn guy, i still want to see what comes out of the Melissa route... dating mother and daughter is too fucked for me to pass up

Granted, this wouldn't be the first time game does it -- Alexis is basically "bang her five minutes after you met her or you can forget she's got a route" deal. ASP notwithstanding, since it effectively skips bulk of her actual romance path.

At least in Alexis case it's "this character yes or no?", with little downsides... if you go with yes, you can change your mind later.
Layla-Erynn is "pick one, no take backs" dropped out of nowhere.

Great point. I don't think many pay attention to the "We were best friends and grew up together, we were inseparable." I agree that they absolutely should pay attention to that. What most take away is that she got new friends and then laughed at his confession. Almost ignoring what we were told that they had before that.

And the new version makes even more clear how much she cares...

Still a horrible spot to put this kind of choice

 

[byaaahh]

Do we actually know 100% that the club choice completely shuts the paths?

I assume Erynn kissing MC after saving her from Ethan and revealing the blackmail will still be there, provided you have enough points.

 

[LSC82]

Do we actually know 100% that the club choice completely shuts the paths?

I assume Erynn kissing MC after saving her from Ethan and revealing the blackmail will still be there, provided you have enough points.

Nyx mentioned she was shutting it down, she doesn't like the Layla-Erynn combo, it doesn't make sense to her... because of Alexis and maybe some other factors.

In the original version of the game that scene worked like this, it was a definitive choice.
Players complained and Nyx changed it, so it would no longer be a definitive decision... and now she's changing back to how she always wanted.

 

[byaaahh]

Nyx mentioned she was shutting it down, she doesn't like the Layla-Erynn combo, it doesn't make sense to her... because of Alexis and maybe some other factors.

In the original version of the game that scene worked like this, it was a definitive choice.
Players complained she changed so it would no longer be a definitive decision... and now she's changing back to how she always wanted.

It makes as much sense as every other combo. MC can bang sisters, bang best friends but banging a girl and her best friends sister is beyond the pale?

Maybe it's because there hasn't been a discovery and confrontation of the infidelity and consequential dumping. Not surprising as Layla and Erynn have rarely interacted.

 

[Justaphase]

Nyx mentioned she was shutting it down, she doesn't like the Layla-Erynn combo, it doesn't make sense to her... because of Alexis and maybe some other factors.

In the original version of the game that scene worked like this, it was a definitive choice.
Players complained and Nyx changed it, so it would no longer be a definitive decision... and now she's changing back to how she always wanted.

It makes as much sense as every other combo. MC can bang sisters, bang best friends but banging a girl and her best friends sister is beyond the pale?

Maybe it's because there hasn't been a discovery and confrontation of the infidelity and consequential dumping. Not surprising as Layla and Erynn have rarely interacted.

I can't find the actual dev log here but I believe that Nyx said that she "forgot" that you can still date Erynn and Layla without consequence. Going back to the definitive choice outside the club is her fix for that. Many of us were hoping for it to lead to a dramatic confrontation, probably when Erynn starts teaching at the school.

 

[ffive]

It makes as much sense as every other combo. MC can bang sisters, bang best friends but banging a girl and her best friends sister is beyond the pale?

I think it may be because it doesn't really work like the other pairings, timing-wise. The other conflicts come to light and bite you in the ass pretty early, but with Layla/Erynn you effectively have the MC cynically lead on the girl she's had her first sex with him and his long-time friend whose obsession/devotion for him is borderline unhealthy.

It kind of makes the MC look like a real piece of shit to just do this sort of thing without any remorse. Two-timing Layla and Nikki/Cara kind of comes close, but there at least you could make argument it's a "out of sight, out of mind" deal rather than jumping back and forth between two girls multiple times in the same day.

 

[NewGuy2022]

I can't find the actual dev log here but I believe that Nyx said that she "forgot" that you can still date Erynn and Layla without consequence. Going back to the definitive choice outside the club is her fix for that. Many of us were hoping for it to lead to a dramatic confrontation, probably when Erynn starts teaching at the school.

Or when Lexi figures it out... ...especially if it's jealous Lexi...

 

[byaaahh]

It kind of makes the MC look like a real piece of shit to just do this sort of thing without any remorse.

I mean, he is a real piece of shit on all the combo paths, even on some solo ones.

 

[LSC82]

It makes as much sense as every other combo. MC can bang sisters, bang best friends but banging a girl and her best friends sister is beyond the pale?

Maybe it's because there hasn't been a discovery and confrontation of the infidelity and consequential dumping. Not surprising as Layla and Erynn have rarely interacted.

This is what i remember of Nyx's words(so there may be innacuracies)...

The discovery should've already happened, because of Alexis.

Alexis knows Layla has a thing for this boy and is kinda dating him.
She also knows Erynn has a huge thing for this guy... not sure she knows what stage they are in, the game never tell us...
So Alexis should be able to put 2 and 2 together and denounce the little asshole to her sister/bestie.

The fact that the combo of Erynn-Layla has been going problem free until now is a big problem in Nyx eyes.

I even suggested that an added scene could fix that.
Alexis puts the MC against the wall and says, "I know what you are doing asshole... stop playing around with my sister and Erynn and be honest with them, i'll fuck you up otherwise".

But last we heard she decided to go with the radical option and kill any possibility of matching these 2.

Or when Lexi figures it out... ...especially if it's jealous Lexi...

Another factor to account for, is this the Alexis that you fucked on the plane and then dumped? Or a Alexis that the MC never touched?

 

[ffive]

I even suggested that an added scene could fix that.
Alexis puts the MC against the wall and says, "I know what you are doing asshole... stop playing around with my sister and Erynn and be honest with them, i'll fuck you up otherwise".

"I know what you're really trying to do, Lexi. But don't worry, ask nicely and you can have a piece of this beefcake, too."

 

[byaaahh]

I even suggested that an added scene could fix that.
Alexis puts the MC against the wall and says, "I know what you are doing asshole... stop playing around with my sister and Erynn and be honest with them, i'll fuck you up otherwise".

Seems like altering the Lexi/Layla confrontation to include a Erynn/Layla variant would have been ideal. Have it continue playing out as they hate MC and refuse to talk to him, but they don't tell Erynn.

That would prevent having to rewrite Erynn scenes showing disdain for MC.

 

[Justaphase]

"I know what you're really trying to do, Lexi. But don't worry, ask nicely and you can have a piece of this beefcake, too."

Lexi "Ugh I can't believe YOU were my first kiss!"

 

[LSC82]

Lexi "Ugh I can't believe YOU were my first kiss!"

"The fuck you are talking about? "
Because he doesn't even remember

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

I feel like Im the only one that finds the val date creepy which is another check mark in the mc is an asshole camp