VN Ren'Py Isabella - Chasing Shadows [Ch. 4.3] [badtimetales]

[Ragnar]

Yes, it's possible and people raised concerns with her in the past. Forced relationships are always divisive in vns

 

[FatGiant]

Yes, it's possible and people raised concerns with her in the past. Forced relationships are always divisive in vns

Hehehe, nice joke. Some will hate her, huh? Like it's possible.

Yes, the fact that the MC existed and had a life before the starting point of the game, rubs people wrong. That's why amnesiac MC's are so common.

Some people can't play these without a full insert. They want to start from Zero. Getting into someone with a already established life and a past, is troublesome for people that have low levels of empathy, or, even if they do have "average" levels they were never stimulated to use them. Please don't read this as a criticism, I'm just stating facts, not judging.

When we start this story, sorry that I go between game and story, but, I don't feel this as a game anymore, as I was saying, we had just arrived from a longer than expected trip, but, we were already in a FwB relationship. This detail instantly irked several people, especially because Alex wasn't all lovey-dovey but instead showed her mettle. Those people instantly felt slighted. Again, no judging, just facts. This had 2 reasons, mainly: 1- They weren't consulted; 2-She wasn't amicable. So, they felt burdened with a relationship they hadn't chosen with a girl that was angry with the MC for something that they hadn't done (the players). Remember, these people don't read this, they Play this, or more correctly, Role Play this, but since they weren't able to do a full insert (as in they didn't start from Zero) they feel the need to retaliate. Against whom? Poor sweet Alex, that dared to be angry with a FwB that ghosted her for a long time.

I think that it is Sad that so many players feel the need to instantly dump Alex because of this. But, what I think and a floating cloud matters exactly the same for everyone but me.

Peace

 

[Dessolos]

Yes, it's possible and people raised concerns with her in the past. Forced relationships are always divisive in vns

Honestly I did dislike it at first not the relationship aspect but because I don't really like to have lewd scenes come quickly without getting to know the LI a bit first to see if I like them. Even then sometimes I actually want to get to know them first a bit too it depends on the LI if I like quick and easy lewd scenes or not. Unless it's a manwhore save or something. But once I realized the lewd scenes at the start was to showcase the friends with benefits relationship a bit better I didn't mind it anymore, tho it did take me a bit to realize that. So on my first playthrough I didn't like Alex as much as I did on my 2nd playthrough because of that. However I never dumped Alex because of this on my first and 2nd playthroughs I just legit liked Isa more . ( I did play Alex paths and made a throuple save as well but solo Isa still my main save)

 

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

Yes, the fact that the MC existed and had a life before the starting point of the game, rubs people wrong. That's why amnesiac MC's are so common.

Some people can't play these without a full insert. They want to start from Zero. Getting into someone with a already established life and a past, is troublesome for people that have low levels of empathy, or, even if they do have "average" levels they were never stimulated to use them. Please don't read this as a criticism, I'm just stating facts, not judging.

When we start this story, sorry that I go between game and story, but, I don't feel this as a game anymore, as I was saying, we had just arrived from a longer than expected trip, but, we were already in a FwB relationship. This detail instantly irked several people, especially because Alex wasn't all lovey-dovey but instead showed her mettle. Those people instantly felt slighted. Again, no judging, just facts. This had 2 reasons, mainly: 1- They weren't consulted; 2-She wasn't amicable. So, they felt burdened with a relationship they hadn't chosen with a girl that was angry with the MC for something that they hadn't done (the players). Remember, these people don't read this, they Play this, or more correctly, Role Play this, but since they weren't able to do a full insert (as in they didn't start from Zero) they feel the need to retaliate. Against whom? Poor sweet Alex, that dared to be angry with a FwB that ghosted her for a long time.

I think that it is Sad that so many players feel the need to instantly dump Alex because of this. But, what I think and a floating cloud matters exactly the same for everyone but me.

Peace

I know btt does not like this language but fuck'em.

 

[Ragnar]

Yes, the fact that the MC existed and had a life before the starting point of the game, rubs people wrong. That's why amnesiac MC's are so common.

Some people can't play these without a full insert. They want to start from Zero. Getting into someone with a already established life and a past, is troublesome for people that have low levels of empathy, or, even if they do have "average" levels they were never stimulated to use them. Please don't read this as a criticism, I'm just stating facts, not judging.

When we start this story, sorry that I go between game and story, but, I don't feel this as a game anymore, as I was saying, we had just arrived from a longer than expected trip, but, we were already in a FwB relationship. This detail instantly irked several people, especially because Alex wasn't all lovey-dovey but instead showed her mettle. Those people instantly felt slighted. Again, no judging, just facts. This had 2 reasons, mainly: 1- They weren't consulted; 2-She wasn't amicable. So, they felt burdened with a relationship they hadn't chosen with a girl that was angry with the MC for something that they hadn't done (the players). Remember, these people don't read this, they Play this, or more correctly, Role Play this, but since they weren't able to do a full insert (as in they didn't start from Zero) they feel the need to retaliate. Against whom? Poor sweet Alex, that dared to be angry with a FwB that ghosted her for a long time.

I think that it is Sad that so many players feel the need to instantly dump Alex because of this. But, what I think and a floating cloud matters exactly the same for everyone but me.

Peace

And there are others that just don't like her for whatever reason. Like I said forced lis are criticized almost in every game thread with them. I think it's not about wanting a blank slate MC but about player agency.

 

[Elduriel]

I know btt does not like this language but fuck'em.

yup, I concur. Honestly, I've replayed the game a few times, not once I managed to dump Alex, can't bring myself to press that button

 

[Elduriel]

And there are others that just don't like her for whatever reason. Like I said forced lis are criticized almost in every game thread with them. I think it's not about wanting a blank slate MC but about player agency.

but she is not forced, you just have to play it for a while... if people don't have the patience to play an hour or two and blow off a game after 10 minutes just because of that, that's on them

 

[Ragnar]

but she is not forced, you just have to play it for a while... if people don't have the patience to play an hour or two and blow off a game after 10 minutes just because of that, that's on them

You start the game already in a sexual relationship with her, that's the forced part. I know you can dump her later, that's not the point.

 

[AlexMpog]

And there are others that just don't like her for whatever reason. Like I said forced lis are criticized almost in every game thread with them. I think it's not about wanting a blank slate MC but about player agency.

but she is not forced, you just have to play it for a while... if people don't have the patience to play an hour or two and blow off a game after 10 minutes just because of that, that's on them

I think it might be the combination of few factors at least.
1) She is in relation with MC from the start, even if she is not forced lately in the game - she IS at the start
2) At the beginning she was a bit edgy, for legit reasons I guess, but still

Also I've had experience with some edgy characters, who is with you right from the start of the game, you either like them and don't find their bad attitude annoying,... or you don't like them in general and they annoy you...

Though I never hated Alex. She doesn't deserve it at all.

 

[Kazanovaromeo]

Yes, the fact that the MC existed and had a life before the starting point of the game, rubs people wrong. That's why amnesiac MC's are so common.

Some people can't play these without a full insert. They want to start from Zero. Getting into someone with a already established life and a past, is troublesome for people that have low levels of empathy, or, even if they do have "average" levels they were never stimulated to use them. Please don't read this as a criticism, I'm just stating facts, not judging.

When we start this story, sorry that I go between game and story, but, I don't feel this as a game anymore, as I was saying, we had just arrived from a longer than expected trip, but, we were already in a FwB relationship. This detail instantly irked several people, especially because Alex wasn't all lovey-dovey but instead showed her mettle. Those people instantly felt slighted. Again, no judging, just facts. This had 2 reasons, mainly: 1- They weren't consulted; 2-She wasn't amicable. So, they felt burdened with a relationship they hadn't chosen with a girl that was angry with the MC for something that they hadn't done (the players). Remember, these people don't read this, they Play this, or more correctly, Role Play this, but since they weren't able to do a full insert (as in they didn't start from Zero) they feel the need to retaliate. Against whom? Poor sweet Alex, that dared to be angry with a FwB that ghosted her for a long time.

I think that it is Sad that so many players feel the need to instantly dump Alex because of this. But, what I think and a floating cloud matters exactly the same for everyone but me.

Peace

but I appreciate your concern to stick close to Alex cause that will be fair enuf NO #3,527 Again , NO ?!!!!So, Isa is mine right?

 

[badtimetales]

And there are others that just don't like her for whatever reason. Like I said forced lis are criticized almost in every game thread with them. I think it's not about wanting a blank slate MC but about player agency.

but she is not forced, you just have to play it for a while... if people don't have the patience to play an hour or two and blow off a game after 10 minutes just because of that, that's on them

You start the game already in a sexual relationship with her, that's the forced part. I know you can dump her later, that's not the point.

I don't know why people still fuss about that.

The game is between 4 and 7 hours in gameplay by now, depending on the player.
The "forced" scene was in Chapter one, about 15-20 minutes into the gameplay.

After that the player could say no to all sexual actions with her and finally break up with her in 3.3.

She's still there and will be.
Because it's just not manageable to render different storylines where she is completely gone (or later in the game Isa, if you deny her).

And for the other reasons: Yes, I know some people don't like her hair. Or her attitude.
I get it. But the reason why I'd chosen this hair should be clear after her backstory and her character building.
Same for her attitude.
She needs to build trust. Until now it should be clear that she's not the tough "I fight the world alone" girl. At least not when she's with people she likes/loves.

I'm trying to tell a story and like in every movie, there are people you don't like and who grow on you. Or not.

My decisions might have hurt my "success", but this was never meant to be a full time job, which it is for some time now.
But if I wanted to do a "successful" game, I wouldn't have picked a 2 LI only, story focused game

So peace
People love it, people hate it.
And people who stop playing after 15 minutes wouldn't have been my audience anyway.

There are a lot of things I would do different now.
But not Alex

 

[Kazanovaromeo]

I don't know why people still fuss about that.

The game is between 4 and 7 hours in gameplay by now, depending on the player.
The "forced" scene was in Chapter one, about 15-20 minutes into the gameplay.

After that the player could say no to all sexual actions with her and finally break up with her in 3.3.

She's still there and will be.
Because it's just not manageable to render different storylines where she is completely gone (or later in the game Isa, if you deny her).

And for the other reasons: Yes, I know some people don't like her hair. Or her attitude.
I get it. But the reason why I'd chosen this hair should be clear after her backstory and her character building.
Same for her attitude.
She needs to build trust. Until now it should be clear that she's not the tough "I fight the world alone" girl. At least not when she's with people she likes/loves.

I'm trying to tell a story and like in every movie, there are people you don't like and who grow on you. Or not.

My decisions might have hurt my "success", but this was never meant to be a full time job, which it is for some time now.
But if I wanted to do a "successful" game, I wouldn't have picked a 2 LI only, story focused game

So peace
People love it, people hate it.
And people who stop playing after 15 minutes wouldn't have been my audience anyway.

There are a lot of things I would do different now.
But not Alex

OMG , Well Said.

 

[MAGO-DAG]

I don't know why people still fuss about that.

The game is between 4 and 7 hours in gameplay by now, depending on the player.
The "forced" scene was in Chapter one, about 15-20 minutes into the gameplay.

After that the player could say no to all sexual actions with her and finally break up with her in 3.3.

She's still there and will be.
Because it's just not manageable to render different storylines where she is completely gone (or later in the game Isa, if you deny her).

And for the other reasons: Yes, I know some people don't like her hair. Or her attitude.
I get it. But the reason why I'd chosen this hair should be clear after her backstory and her character building.
Same for her attitude.
She needs to build trust. Until now it should be clear that she's not the tough "I fight the world alone" girl. At least not when she's with people she likes/loves.

I'm trying to tell a story and like in every movie, there are people you don't like and who grow on you. Or not.

My decisions might have hurt my "success", but this was never meant to be a full time job, which it is for some time now.
But if I wanted to do a "successful" game, I wouldn't have picked a 2 LI only, story focused game

So peace
People love it, people hate it.
And people who stop playing after 15 minutes wouldn't have been my audience anyway.

There are a lot of things I would do different now.
But not Alex

Hatred exists in every situation... as well as hate, at any moment there will be hate both in the game and in discussions...

so sometimes you can’t do without hate! so it’s okay, the main thing is that we do what WE like, and if necessary, there are and will be people who will support us and our ideas... that’s why the world works that way... the main thing is to believe for the better and not pay much attention to the hate.

 

[badtimetales]

That wasn't meant in a bad way, btw.
I'm happy for any feedback.

I get your points, but the story is like it is.
And one thing, if I ever will do a new game, it's working with a team.

Anyway, Happy Weekend.

 

[Kazanovaromeo]

if I ever will do a new game

NO NO NO , you already promise me a long time ago from the start to think about make a new game with Female MC will be
you forget

 

[badtimetales]

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NO NO NO , you already promise me a long time ago from the start to think about make a new game with Female MC will be
View attachment 3450370 you forget

I promised a short "what if" version where Jen is alive.
That's not a new game And that after Isa is finished.

 

[Kazanovaromeo]

I promised a short "what if" version where Jen is alive.
That's not a new game And that after Isa is finished.

OK ,

 

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

There are a lot of things I would do different now.
But not Alex

 

[Kazanovaromeo]

and very much to stick to your LI. ,away of mine for a change.

 

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

and View attachment 3450412 very much to stick to your LI. ,away of mine for a change.

I don't wanna be rude to you but you should know there is no such a thing as your LI and me being away from them, you should be grateful that I gracefully let you to enjoy some.