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*Roblox is streamed for 1,5 hours on the world's biggest YouTube channel, receiving the largest amount of attention and free advertising it has gotten in years, if ever.*
Roblox: "Quick, how can we ruin this?"
*Roblox bans Pewdiepie, bans users for mentioning Pewdiepie's name for good measure*
Everybody:
You haven't thought this through all the way. Somebody making $20k a month and going from $1k in fees to $2k will be a lot more valuable to them than the average adult game dev going from $50 to $100 in fees. The $1k extra they make off the rich guy actually empowers them to care even less about you, because he just easily covered the loss from banning you.
Also please think about the fact that an insanely profitable company like Valve, who runs Steam, still has awful customer support to this very day. More money doesn't guarantee better service.
The porn problem isn't Patreon, it's the payment processors who are pushing it. Not sure Jordan Peterson's proposed alternative to Patreon would be any better, since he's a well known anti-porn advocate. What he's talking about is more about censoring political speech, not sexy times by proxy, which he is openly opposed to.
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I don't see the point in trying to get others not to resell your work. All the games on this site get uploaded to pay download sites like rapidgator and put on forums and stuff. All the manga in the world gets uploaded to sites with ads, it's just the way some people make money and there's no fighting against it. You're still making over 8k a month and haven't lost any money so don't understand why anyone would care.
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Pff hahahaha, this was a joke comment right?. So... you think a creator shouldn't care about people reselling his game.
There is a big difference between going against a downloading site and a reselling site, because in the reselling you can ask for all the profits they have obtained over the selling of the game and ask a compensation over it. Reselling is actually fighted because the people that do it are incurring a heavy crime against intellectual property. "Sharing" things online is a grey area and hard to attack, reselling is pure black.
That's why you can easily find "sharing sites" but not reselling sites.
There is no difference to the creator whether his stuff is being sold or given away for free by others. The creator still makes the same amount of money and has his stuff given away. Actually less people get it when being resold than when it's just given away for free. So I don't see why the creator Cates when nothing negative is happening to them in this situation, as in, they're not losing any money.
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His copyright materiel is being sold by someone else claiming it is their own and you see nothing wrong with that?
Ooookay.
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Easy!, it's called intellectual property and creator's rights.
If they did want to do things right they would contact the original creator and make a deal with him, all people would profit over that. The creator is losing money, the part that is rightfully his which is about 70% of the money they obtain following the standard distribution.
Let me ask you a question, what right do they have to resell something that isn't theirs?.
Spoken like someone who's never made anything in their life...
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But...they are?
I have no idea what line of logic you're following here.
If a game is $10 but someone else sells it, without permission, for $5 then sure some people will download it for free but anyone who wants to buy it will go for the $5.
Which is one sale the actual creator of the game doesn't get.
How can you possibly not consider that a loss? Taking products without permission and selling them is utterly scummy behaviour and no creator should want to be associated with that quite clearly illegal and preventable behaviour.
I mean seriously just think about that for a second, what if the reseller starts making more money from the stolen products they sell? Is that somehow still okay? Ridiculous.
Free is completely different because someone who downloads something for free was probably never going to buy it anyway, if there's an actual exchange of money going on then that's an abhorrent practice.
No it doesn't affect him in any negative way. And every game on this site gets uploaded everywhere, including to pay download sites. Also you have to do is Google even this game name and you'll find a bunch porn game sites with this game linking to pay download sites like rapidgator. Why the interest in this one particular Italian company.
It's not there's but again it doesn't affect the creator so why should he care. And every media like games and shows and manga get reuploaded to ad sites to make money for people who didn't produce the content. I dont see why anyone would bother fighting against it when theyre already making a bunch of money and aren't losing any.
I made a game called Olivia the Homewrecker. If you google it you'll find it uploaded to a bunch of pay download sites that I didn't upload just like you will for every other porn game on this site. And I didn't care when I was making the game and don't care now.
Runey gives his game away for free so he especially shouldn't care. And it's not preventable, every game on the site is uploaded elsewhere without the creators permission.
You abandoned your game over a year ago after a single update on the orginal release, people that actually care about their work care when other people claim it as theirs.
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People who get introduced to the game through this illicit site and pay for it there are unlikely to become patrons of Runey, so in some sense Runey is losing money from the site existing. Unless you want to argue the people who go to that site would have never found Runey's game in the first place. Which is kind of idk, we can't prove that one way or the other. But even if that was true and Runey hasn't lost $1 from that site existing, he can still think it's wrong for someone else to profit off of his work. And he'd be right.
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Leave it mate, you are in the wrong side of law and logic. Your reasoning is false because it does damage to the creator and I already explained why in 2 posts. I can't just choose to sell a book that I didn't write, a comic that I didn't draw or anything else without the creator's permission.
In fact they could do it right if they wanted, talk to the creator, offer a deal (usual is 70% of sales to the creator 30% to the translators) and all profit. Doing things wrong because you want more money isn't an excuse
All of the games on this site are reuploaded elsewhere, way more than just this Italian company has reuploaded Harem Hotel and put it behind one of those pay download sites. Why target this one company in particular. And why care when you're not losing any money.
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Rapidgator is not a pay to download site. You pay for speed, not for the download. It's still your choice to pay or not.
If a game is given away for free and someone else claims that it's his creation AND sells it as their own, I would be quite mad.
What do you think would happen if this happend to a game from EA or Activision?
The problem wouldn't even exist if this site wouldn't claim other peoples work as their own and sell what they'are actually doing: Translations of the game. I bet most creators wouldn't even mind if their game would be sold like that if they get the credit they deserve.
Edit:Yep, this discussion shouldn't be in this thread, sorry :/ right thread, thx^^
If a game is given away for free and someone else claims that it's his creation AND sells it as their own, I would be quite mad.
What do you think would happen if this happend to a game from EA or Activision?
The problem wouldn't even exist if this site wouldn't claim other peoples work as their own and sell what they'are actually doing: Translations of the game. I bet most creators wouldn't even mind if their game would be sold like that if they get the credit they deserve.
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Being uploaded elsewhere is not the same as being sold elsewhere. The former is legally a gray area, the latter is straight up illegal.
People can easily be taken to court over that. You're not particularly allowed to sell products that aren't yours let alone ones that are free.
That's why you put links to your patreon in your game because anyone can and does just upload these games and just posts a direct link without necessarily saying who made the game.
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Plenty of those pay download sites have the option to make downloads premium only. In which case people have to pay for them. What is so special about this Italian company.