VN Ren'Py It's Just a Game [v0.4.1] [DigiDec]

[Dr. Mick]

Couldn't agree more. And on that note, I want to apologize to everyone because it has just been brought to my attention that I've been careless and broke one of this site's rules a few times throughout this thread.

1. Kinkshaming is not allowed
   • Do not complain about tags in threads or engage in discussion about the tags themselves. It is fine to talk about how a given fetish is implemented in the game, but whining about something clearly visible in the tag list is not
   • This includes brigading and/or otherwise harassing developers to remove or add content

That's on me, I should have shut down those discussions or just ignored them. Ignorance isn't an excuse so again, I apologize. I'll be more careful moving forward.

Don't worry too much about it. For the most part you were just engaging with people who were commenting on your novel.
Pretty tame by comparison, and easily overlooked.
It's fairly easy to get caught up in defense mode when/if someone is being critical or whiny

 

[yoyomistro]

Are hoping to dom Ness or be dommed by Ness? She's not really going to get a lot of BDSM type content (at least that's not the plan right now) but to some degree both of those options will be on the table.

Any femdom directed at the MC will be on the tame side though. I'm not opposed to including more hardcore femdom stuff as an option but since I don't personally understand the appeal it would be hard for me to write a scene for it. This kind of applies to any kink. I'm not opposed to adding almost anything, but if I don't understand what's sexy about it, I have a hard time writing/rendering it. So, sorry in advance to all the feet guys.

I'm assuming that they're assuming a female being active/aggressive is "domme", like I referenced in my original post =P. This is why we don't get much of that content lol. "Oh man, a female character isn't laying back and getting railed, she must be a domme!"

People ascribe a dom/sub relationship where there is none cuz of all the lazy "domination" content that floods the indie WEG scene. Being a pillow princess doesn't make someone a sub.

It makes them passive/receptive (and probably shitty in bed, lol). Unless I'm misunderstanding and they want Ness to be an actual domme like you referenced in your post.

Couldn't agree more. And on that note, I want to apologize to everyone because it has just been brought to my attention that I've been careless and broke one of this site's rules a few times throughout this thread.

1. Kinkshaming is not allowed
   • Do not complain about tags in threads or engage in discussion about the tags themselves. It is fine to talk about how a given fetish is implemented in the game, but whining about something clearly visible in the tag list is not
   • This includes brigading and/or otherwise harassing developers to remove or add content

That's on me, I should have shut down those discussions or just ignored them. Ignorance isn't an excuse so again, I apologize. I'll be more careful moving forward.

That's not on you; just report the offending posts, and move on with your day. Frankly it isn't always perfectly enforced, but mods are pretty good about running a tight ship for the most part.

 

[snapturtle34]

Are hoping to dom Ness or be dommed by Ness? She's not really going to get a lot of BDSM type content (at least that's not the plan right now) but to some degree both of those options will be on the table.

Any femdom directed at the MC will be on the tame side though. I'm not opposed to including more hardcore femdom stuff as an option but since I don't personally understand the appeal it would be hard for me to write a scene for it. This kind of applies to any kink. I'm not opposed to adding almost anything, but if I don't understand what's sexy about it, I have a hard time writing/rendering it. So, sorry in advance to all the feet guys.

Im not into femdom alot myself (atleast not to the MC). Again sounds like you got it covered.

 

[LinkBox88]

Is there a term for games in which you only get rewarded for taking the beta choice? Like you only get the sex scene if you swallow your pride and choose the diplomatic option. Trying to assert yourself or push back on controlling behavior gets you a lesser option. Simp-simulator?

It makes all my choices feel bad. Like I can get laid but it won't be on my terms, or I can stand on principle and be stuck with my dick in my hand. What is the appeal? If I was getting dommed it would be one thing but it's more like they are aggressive/pushy subs. It's just not scratching any itches for me and I'm a pretty itchy guy.

I was kinda interested in Ness as a tough-to-crack character but she was so meek in front of her mom and that just made her more of a fake-tough-guy and undermined her personality.

 

[DigiDec]

Is there a term for games in which you only get rewarded for taking the beta choice? Like you only get the sex scene if you swallow your pride and choose the diplomatic option. Trying to assert yourself or push back on controlling behavior gets you a lesser option. Simp-simulator?

It makes all my choices feel bad. Like I can get laid but it won't be on my terms, or I can stand on principle and be stuck with my dick in my hand. What is the appeal? If I was getting dommed it would be one thing but it's more like they are aggressive/pushy subs. It's just not scratching any itches for me and I'm a pretty itchy guy.

I was kinda interested in Ness as a tough-to-crack character but she was so meek in front of her mom and that just made her more of a fake-tough-guy and undermined her personality.

Simp-simulator, he says...

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I'm not really sure what you meant by the question about the 'beta choice', the only scene I think it could apply to was the one in the club before meeting with Ness and Stella. If so, I actually had a different version of that scene in the very initial release where after the girl gives you her rules and safe word instead of agreeing to her terms the MC could tell her to shut the fuck up and suck his dick. If you picked that option, she would give him the middle finger and storm off while mocking the MC for being a red-pilled incel-brained loser. I took it out because it was kind of pointless.

So yeah, you don't always get to turn the tables. If a girl wants something, is using sex to get something, she's not just going to completely abandon that because the MC decides to go full sigma chad.

This game is not realistic. It's all weird gross sci-fi sex fantasy stuff. But, I am making parts of it 'grounded' as a way to contrast against the more ridiculous porn stuff. I'm also trying to avoid too many 2d cliches. Like Ness for example, people are sometimes very different depending on who they interact with. Ness might be a tough bitch around most people, but Claudette is still her mom and there's baggage there. Maybe, just spitballing here, the reason Ness comes off so strong is in part because of the dynamic with her mother.

So,

Are you going to tone down the Mother's changes a bit?
(both irl and especially sim)

OR

Is that a case of
Since you've already invested the resources into her model that
it doesn't make sense, storywise or financially, to change now.

Just curious.
Thanks

Sim, no.

IRL, probably not. I'm not sure which image you're using as a reference so I can't say for certain. A few pages back I shared some renders of me workshopping where I'm going with her 'IRL' appearance.
Stuff like that isn't entirely set in stone, I'm taking feedback as I go and while I don't take every suggestion or request on board I like to think I'm pretty open to input.

Mol is still the designated bimbofication/transformation character though, so there absolutely will be some changes to her physical appearance. It might not go much further than bottle blonde gym bunny, it might end up being the full instagirl cosmetic surgery package. I'm still working it out on my end and my SubStar supporters* will get a pretty big say in how it ends up.

The other girls won't see much change about their appearance. I've mentioned a few times that Nat might gain a little weight, girl is super skinny, but it would much more subtle. I'm debating a makeover for Sara as well. I'm not thinking of changing her body but she might get a new hairstyle, maybe some piercings, and maybe even some tattoos.

*Fair warning, I don't have many and the few I have seem to be leaning toward a more extreme change

Anyways, these were good comments and I think it's generally safe to start dripping out some teaser images for 0.3. If you haven't played 0.2 yet or just don't want any spoilers, don't click the button. Or do it anyway, I'm not the boss of you.

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[Forgotted]

Simp-simulator, he says...

Thanks, I wasn't complaining, honest.
I think you're doing great so far.

After reading through a few posts about her, I was just curious about your
thoughts from a Dev vs Business standpoint.


Personally I wouldn't change anything just based on financial/time invested so far...
but I didn't know from a Dev/creative view...

Just goofing.
Take Care

Most certainly are fantastic quality images.
I like them as well....but they really are high quality.

Cheers

 

[Dr. Mick]

I'm not really sure what you meant by the question about the 'beta choice', the only scene I think it could apply to was the one in the club before meeting with Ness and Stella. If so, I actually had a different version of that scene in the very initial release where after the girl gives you her rules and safe word instead of agreeing to her terms the MC could tell her to shut the fuck up and suck his dick. If you picked that option, she would give him the middle finger and storm off while mocking the MC for being a red-pilled incel-brained loser. I took it out because it was kind of pointless.

So yeah, you don't always get to turn the tables. If a girl wants something, is using sex to get something, she's not just going to completely abandon that because the MC decides to go full sigma chad.

This game is not realistic. It's all weird gross sci-fi sex fantasy stuff. But, I am making parts of it 'grounded' as a way to contrast against the more ridiculous porn stuff. I'm also trying to avoid too many 2d cliches. Like Ness for example, people are sometimes very different depending on who they interact with. Ness might be a tough bitch around most people, but Claudette is still her mom and there's baggage there. Maybe, just spitballing here, the reason Ness comes off so strong is in part because of the dynamic with her mother.

Of any situation or choice in the novel so far, the only time I wished I had a different choice was in the first meeting with Ness.
While I'm painfully aware that it probably would have led to a "Game Over" I get irrationally angry when people threaten my loved ones. So an option to tell her to stick her "offer" up her ass would have been satisfying.

 

[DigiDec]

Thanks, I wasn't complaining, honest.
I think you're doing great so far.

After reading through a few posts about her, I was just curious about your
thoughts from a Dev vs Business standpoint.


Personally I wouldn't change anything just based on financial/time invested so far...
but I didn't know from a Dev/creative view...

Just goofing.
Take Care

Most certainly are fantastic quality images.
I like them as well....but they really are high quality.

Cheers

Assets can be a limiting factor sometimes. Some of the changes I made to earlier stuff, like Sin-D's hair, are because I just didn't have the right tool for the job at the time. I'm all set when it comes to changing body shapes though. If anything I probably need to delete some because they're not all of equal quality.

There are a few things I'd like to do that I don't have/haven't found an asset that works but that's mostly smaller details. Like, I'd love to give Mol some tanlines but the options I have don't really fit what I had in mind. I was thinking something like a micro bikini with a really high waist but the only options I have are either low waisted or completely change her skin texture. I might be able to do something to edit her skin textures directly.

As far as the economics of financial/time invested... brother, I am so far in the hole on that there's no reason to start worrying now.

Speaking slightly more seriously, I'm a greedy bastard and I would love if I made a fat stack of cash off this game, but I have modest expectations. I'm a first-time dev and there's a lot of competition out there. I'm going to finish this game and if I see enough support then I'll make another game. If the support isn't there I'll just make this more of a hobby than a 2nd job.

Of any situation or choice in the novel so far, the only time I wished I had a different choice was in the first meeting with Ness.
While I'm painfully aware that it probably would have led to a "Game Over" I get irrationally angry when people threaten my loved ones. So an option to tell her to stick her "offer" up her ass would have been satisfying.

I might have wrote myself into a corner with that scene. Like you said, telling her to get fucked would have made the game real short. I tried to make it come across as the MC restraining himself and trying to remain patient but I try to avoid telling the player how the MC feels about things, especially early on when the player hasn't been able to make any choices for me to reference.

 

[LinkBox88]

I'm not really sure what you meant by the question about the 'beta choice'.

A better example of what I mean is:

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I understand that these woman have agency and their own preferences but that works both ways. Why does it have to all be take it or leave it deals from them? Why can't I try to work the situation to my advantage? It's not about about incel power fantasies. It's about being able to benefit from self-respect. It's about being able to get your dick wet without thinking with it.

This isn't something BDSM is gonna fix. It's not in the bedroom I'm trying to dominate, it's in the dialogue!

 

[DigiDec]

A better example of what I mean is:

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I understand that these woman have agency and their own preferences but that works both ways. Why does it have to all be take it or leave it deals from them? Why can't I try to work the situation to my advantage? It's not about about incel power fantasies. It's about being able to benefit from self-respect. It's about being able to get your dick wet without thinking with it.

This isn't something BDSM is gonna fix. It's not in the bedroom I'm trying to dominate, it's in the dialogue!

Yeah, that was the scene I was referencing, I should've been more specific.

You have a valid critique, so far the MC has had almost no agency. That's not how things will be in the future but at this point in the game it's still very much 'dude is in way over his head and trying to get his bearings'. He's going to take a few more punches in the next update but I think both he and the player will start to see how they might be able to start steering things. At least, as far as the whole Qoniv plotline is concerned. The girls you're just going to have to dick down the old-fashioned way.

 

[motseer]

There are a few things I'd like to do that I don't have/haven't found an asset that works but that's mostly smaller details. Like, I'd love to give Mol some tanlines but the options I have don't really fit what I had in mind. I was thinking something like a micro bikini with a really high waist but the only options I have are either low waisted or completely change her skin texture. I might be able to do something to edit her skin textures directly.

I used to do quite a bit of texture work and one particular method I used gave excellent results. Once you outline the area you want to have less tan, promote the selection to a layer then use an inside/outside blur on the layer. Now desaturate the layer a bit and then play with how much translucency/opacity gives the desired effect until you like what you see. Recombine the layer... Tada.

Edit: A little tip. The more desaturation you use the less opacity you will need to gain the same effect. This will help maintain detail under the layer when you recombine the layers.

 

[DigiDec]

I used to do quite a bit of texture work and one particular method I used gave excellent results. Once you outline the area your want to have less tan, promote the selection to a layer then use an inside/outside blur on the layer. Now desaturate the layer a bit and then play with how much translucency/opacity gives the desired effect until you like what you see. Recombine the layer... Tada.

I hope you like tan lines because I'm going to try this later and if I can figure it out every girl is going to get those Brazilian style super sharp lines. Except for Kelli, since she is clearly allergic to the sun.

 

[yoyomistro]

Simp-simulator, he says...

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I'm not really sure what you meant by the question about the 'beta choice', the only scene I think it could apply to was the one in the club before meeting with Ness and Stella. If so, I actually had a different version of that scene in the very initial release where after the girl gives you her rules and safe word instead of agreeing to her terms the MC could tell her to shut the fuck up and suck his dick. If you picked that option, she would give him the middle finger and storm off while mocking the MC for being a red-pilled incel-brained loser. I took it out because it was kind of pointless.

So yeah, you don't always get to turn the tables. If a girl wants something, is using sex to get something, she's not just going to completely abandon that because the MC decides to go full sigma chad.

This game is not realistic. It's all weird gross sci-fi sex fantasy stuff. But, I am making parts of it 'grounded' as a way to contrast against the more ridiculous porn stuff. I'm also trying to avoid too many 2d cliches. Like Ness for example, people are sometimes very different depending on who they interact with. Ness might be a tough bitch around most people, but Claudette is still her mom and there's baggage there. Maybe, just spitballing here, the reason Ness comes off so strong is in part because of the dynamic with her mother.

Sim, no.

IRL, probably not. I'm not sure which image you're using as a reference so I can't say for certain. A few pages back I shared some renders of me workshopping where I'm going with her 'IRL' appearance.
Stuff like that isn't entirely set in stone, I'm taking feedback as I go and while I don't take every suggestion or request on board I like to think I'm pretty open to input.

Mol is still the designated bimbofication/transformation character though, so there absolutely will be some changes to her physical appearance. It might not go much further than bottle blonde gym bunny, it might end up being the full instagirl cosmetic surgery package. I'm still working it out on my end and my SubStar supporters* will get a pretty big say in how it ends up.

The other girls won't see much change about their appearance. I've mentioned a few times that Nat might gain a little weight, girl is super skinny, but it would much more subtle. I'm debating a makeover for Sara as well. I'm not thinking of changing her body but she might get a new hairstyle, maybe some piercings, and maybe even some tattoos.

*Fair warning, I don't have many and the few I have seem to be leaning toward a more extreme change

Anyways, these were good comments and I think it's generally safe to start dripping out some teaser images for 0.3. If you haven't played 0.2 yet or just don't want any spoilers, don't click the button. Or do it anyway, I'm not the boss of you.

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It's funny, people always get salty at this exact archetype of game, where a smart guy makes a revolutionary product and a bunch of powerful people try to take advantage of him in underhanded ways leveraging their vast resources. There are at least 4 threads in a similar vein with people making this exact complaint. Of course he's not gonna whip his dick out and slap them with it or talk them into walking away. I swear some of these people would try to go Rambo in trench warfare and end up looking like swiss cheese sticking to their "principles".

The story is going well and unlike the alpha wannabes I put my money where my mouth is on this one. Speaking of Mol though, I don't think her change has to be drastic, some women just naturally fill out a ton during pregnancy, especially the third time around =P. For example Mal Malloy

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. I think she's had a couple pregnancies (and she ate a lot during both lol), and she's a bit of an extreme example and already had ample hips beforehand, but she filled out a ton. I had more bookmarks of chicks before/after pregnancy (yea, I really like when chicks fill out...) but unfortunately they were on my pc that went kaput.

Don't want to insist too much on this, but it's a thing that happens to women, and it wouldn't suck if it happened to some of the ladies in this fine work =P.

 

[DigiDec]

It's funny, people always get salty at this exact archetype of game, where a smart guy makes a revolutionary product and a bunch of powerful people try to take advantage of him in underhanded ways leveraging their vast resources. There are at least 4 threads in a similar vein with people making this exact complaint. Of course he's not gonna whip his dick out and slap them with it or talk them into walking away. I swear some of these people would try to go Rambo in trench warfare and end up looking like swiss cheese sticking to their "principles".

The story is going well and unlike the alpha wannabes I put my money where my mouth is on this one. Speaking of Mol though, I don't think her change has to be drastic, some women just naturally fill out a ton during pregnancy, especially the third time around =P. For example Mal Malloy

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and

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. I think she's had a couple pregnancies (and she ate a lot during both lol), and she's a bit of an extreme example and already had ample hips beforehand, but she filled out a ton. I had more bookmarks of chicks before/after pregnancy (yea, I really like when chicks fill out...) but unfortunately they were on my pc that went kaput.

Don't want to insist too much on this, but it's a thing that happens to women, and it wouldn't suck if it happened to some of the ladies in this fine work =P.

I think one of the issues with the general nature of these games is that they almost always skew towards low-stakes power fantasy or completely submissive MC. Nothing wrong with that, I enjoy a lot of those games, but it also sort of frames expectations for players so if they don't get the option of punching Ness is the mouth they start to worry that the whole game is going to be the MC getting shit on. (Obviously, there's a lot of middle ground I'm glossing over there)

So, I don't want to tie Mol's body change to pregnancy since that's sort of Nat's thing.

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Also, I forget if I already said this but thank you so much for your support! Unless I get some more supporters in the next few days the poll winner has already been decided but feel free to drop a comment here or back on my

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if you have any requests or ideas for a theme. I'm going to try to avoid stuff that overlaps too much with content coming soon but other than that pretty much anything is fair game.

 

[yoyomistro]

I think one of the issues with the general nature of these games is that they almost always skew towards low-stakes power fantasy or completely submissive MC. Nothing wrong with that, I enjoy a lot of those games, but it also sort of frames expectations for players so if they don't get the option of punching Ness is the mouth they start to worry that the whole game is going to be the MC getting shit on. (Obviously, there's a lot of middle ground I'm glossing over there)

So, I don't want to tie Mol's body change to pregnancy since that's sort of Nat's thing.

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Also, I forget if I already said this but thank you so much for your support! Unless I get some more supporters in the next few days the poll winner has already been decided but feel free to drop a comment here or back on my

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if you have any requests or ideas for a theme. I'm going to try to avoid stuff that overlaps too much with content coming soon but other than that pretty much anything is fair game.

For sure. I can always tell when someone has actual talent and I'm not afraid to throw some resources their way to help them realize their work. Honestly if I didn't like the characters, and direction as much as I do I'd probably still support (unless it was something crazy like a cuck voyeur game, we all have lines, lol) and as of 0.2.1 it was obvious this was gonna be something special based purely on the technical and narrative aspects of what you're doing here. The fact that it lines up so much with what I happen to like is just a bonus.

Also on Mol I get it, I assumed you were looking for ways to reflect some degree of bimbofication with her story IRL without going the typical plastic fuck doll route, only reason why I've been thinking about it so much. I'm not super invested in exactly how she realizes her bimbo dreams lol, so looking forward to how it plays out.

As far as suggestions for side content, go wild I'm not picky. The only thing I literally hate is feckless/clueless/voyeur cuck content so other than that I'd be happy with whatever for side stories. If you want a muse/prompt the only thing I'll say is I'm a sucker for student/teacher dalliances, especially when there's blackmail (in either direction), discipline, or abuse-of-power involved. I also like any type of non-con but that's way out there for a lot of people.

I used to do quite a bit of texture work and one particular method I used gave excellent results. Once you outline the area you want to have less tan, promote the selection to a layer then use an inside/outside blur on the layer. Now desaturate the layer a bit and then play with how much translucency/opacity gives the desired effect until you like what you see. Recombine the layer... Tada.

Edit: A little tip. The more desaturation you use the less opacity you will need to gain the same effect. This will help maintain detail under the layer when you recombine the layers.

Wow, if I ever get into 3d work, I might have to send you a DM man. Hopefully this works out for Digi.

 

[Scotsman1989]

I love femdom and futa!!!!

I'm really looking forward to more, especially if femdom, futa and even futadom is used on the MC.

 

[DigiDec]

I used to do quite a bit of texture work and one particular method I used gave excellent results. Once you outline the area you want to have less tan, promote the selection to a layer then use an inside/outside blur on the layer. Now desaturate the layer a bit and then play with how much translucency/opacity gives the desired effect until you like what you see. Recombine the layer... Tada.

Edit: A little tip. The more desaturation you use the less opacity you will need to gain the same effect. This will help maintain detail under the layer when you recombine the layers.

So, I started playing with the process you suggested here, I'm still working out the finer points, but I'm also trying out a different base skin texture for Mol. I have one that looks really good, is a little darker, but is still close to the old one. It does make her face look younger but hell, MC makes good money - he can afford to get Mol a little botox.

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I'll have to decide how strong I want her tan to end up, how natural I want it to look, and how strong the tan line should be before I finalize anything regardless of which skin texture I used, but thanks again for your tip. Now I can completely pivot the game to a beach bimbo tanning salon manager simulator!

 

[gregers]

Now I can completely pivot the game to a beach bimbo tanning salon manager simulator!

I can hear the money truck pulling up now.

 

[Dr. Mick]

...I'm still working out the finer points...

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I'll have to decide how strong I want her tan to end up, how natural I want it to look, and how strong the tan line should be ...

I don't know about the "finer points", but that is surely fine
Excuse me while I pick my jaw up off the floor, and find my safety glasses

 

[motseer]

So, I started playing with the process you suggested here, I'm still working out the finer points, but I'm also trying out a different base skin texture for Mol. I have one that looks really good, is a little darker, but is still close to the old one. It does make her face look younger but hell, MC makes good money - he can afford to get Mol a little botox.

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I'll have to decide how strong I want her tan to end up, how natural I want it to look, and how strong the tan line should be before I finalize anything regardless of which skin texture I used, but thanks again for your tip. Now I can completely pivot the game to a beach bimbo tanning salon manager simulator!

Anyone who looks back a few pages can see that her transformation to a BBTSM (Beach Bimbo Tanning Salon Manager) has been dramatic indeed. Nice work and I'm glad I was able to help out a bit.