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Sonsuka

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Loaded day1_weird.sav. Clicked inventory icon at top next to her portrait. Saved outfit as "1". Changed her outfit to only Sundress, Leather Collar, Slippers. Clicked inventory icon. Saved outfit as "2". Mood Optimistic. Explained her position. Fear -> 1. 7 thorns, 1 habit. Tutor painting. B+. 1 merit. Tutor music. B+. 3 merit. Give free time: hot springs. Tutor pet. C-. 2 merit. Sweet treat: Cream cake. 1 energy star remaining. Click inventory icon. Equip set 1 (naked, crown, shock, shackles, slippers). Mood is Hopeful. End the day.

Starts day 2 Sullen. Equip saved outfit 2. Calm. Encourage. Optimistic. Explained her position. Tutor maid. B+. 3 merit. Tutor secretary. C-. Still 3 merit. Give free time: hot springs. Equip outfit 1. 1 energy star remaining. Mood is Optimistic. 6 thorns, 1 fear, 1 awareness, 1 habit. End the day.

Starts day 3 Depressed. Outfit 2. Sullen. Encourage. No effect. Chug alcohol. Refuses. Guilt 1. Put into corner. Depressed. Spa visit. Dysphoric. Explained her position. Fear 1 -> 2. Tutor maid. F-. Spank with slipper. Mood depressed. Equip outfit 1. Dehydrated moderate diet. 2 energy stars remaining. 6 thorns, 2 fear, 1 awareness, 1 habit. End the day.

Starts day 4 Depressed. Outfit 2. Still depressed. 2 thorns, 2 fear, 1 despair, 2 awareness, 1 taming, 1 habit. Spa visit. Alcohol. Datura. Mood optimistic. 3 stars energy. Tutor maid. S+. 1 merit. School alchemy. B+. 2 merit. Spend time together: walk around city. Equip outfit 1. Mood Calm. Still enforcing humility rule. Half energy star remaining. 2 thorns, 2 fear, 1 despair, 2 awareness, 1 taming, 1 habit. End the day.

Starts day 5 dysphoric. Outfit 2. Pessimistic. Alcohol. Optimistic. Tutor maid. No merit. Slaver uses pollen for energy because weak (hasn't been taking care of himself). Go to arena battle... no more despair. 1 thorn.

This time didn't have as many reasons to punish her and didn't use Threaten, so it'll take a bit longer to get her to D-, but it's not far off my last try.
Curious why does she go from Optimistic to Depressed so quickly on Day 2 to 3, is it just the starvation and outfit swap? I guess maybe I'm just not comprehend that part so when I was trying the run I was taking Ls. Also is there a reason you do hotspring? I look at what it gives, or is just for despair? Also since post day 5 she has won the arena she will now rebel since I assume she is healthy enough and has gladiator stat, so I can only threaten now, is it best to just try to raise awareness or habit I guess?

Also with Johnny do you just go brothel for quick and ignore food or do both.
 
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ImperatorAugustusTertius

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Curious why does she go from Optimistic to Depressed so quickly on Day 2 to 3, is it just the starvation and outfit swap? I guess maybe I'm just not comprehend that part so when I was trying the run I was taking Ls. Also is there a reason you do hotspring? I look at what it gives, or is just for despair? Also since post day 5 she has won the arena she will now rebel since I assume she is healthy enough and has gladiator stat, so I can only threaten now, is it best to just try to raise awareness or habit I guess?
Starvation is a big factor. It's hard to feel hopeful when you haven't eaten anything. Hot springs because 3 merit reward lasts longer and it's better for her mood than the lower-tier rest options. A higher-tier option would spoil her. Could take her on date instead but would be less effective since she's proud (resists intimacy) and still rebellious. Could give a gift but she won't appreciate it as much, see rebellious. Could compliment her but she doesn't respect the slaver.

Yes, time to raise awareness/taming/habit -- you can still enforce the humility rule too.

Also with Johnny do you just go brothel for quick and ignore food or do both.
I usually just do brothel with Johny. More cost-efficient.
 

RomanticBifrost

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There's something very strange going on with the Endurance attribute, it doesn't matter if I have more or fewer calories, it's decreasing and if I pay for a calculated portion, it decreases by 1, even if I spend the day doing nothing, and the "hight boots" don't seem to be giving my slave the bonus, even when Endurance >= 2

Maybe you can tell me what I'm doing wrong?
 
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there is something very strange happening with the Endurance attribute, it doesn't matter if I have more or less colors it is decreasing and if I pay for a calculated portion it decreases by 1 even just spending the day doing nothing and the "hight boots" doesn't seem to be giving the bonus for my slave even when Endurance >= 2

Maybe you can tell me what I'm doing wrong?
Corpulent physique loses endurance from overeating, which occurs if you give her a moderate diet and don't spend her calories. Any physique loses endurance when ending the day with negative calories. Calculated diet sets her calories negative to make her lose weight if above B+ physique so it also drains endurance.
 
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RomanticBifrost

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Ok if I understand correctly the "Calculated diet" would make her lose -1 Endurance exp but as she is wearing the "Hight Boots" which would give +1 Endurance exp, wouldn't the sum be 0? or are the Hight Boots no longer giving +1 Endurance exp?

Edit: hm, my fault, it seems that in patch 2.2.6.0b this effect was removed, I was following the wiki
 
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Sonsuka

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Starvation is a big factor. It's hard to feel hopeful when you haven't eaten anything. Hot springs because 3 merit reward lasts longer and it's better for her mood than the lower-tier rest options. A higher-tier option would spoil her. Could take her on date instead but would be less effective since she's proud (resists intimacy) and still rebellious. Could give a gift but she won't appreciate it as much, see rebellious. Could compliment her but she doesn't respect the slaver.

Yes, time to raise awareness/taming/habit -- you can still enforce the humility rule too.


I usually just do brothel with Johny. More cost-efficient.
I guess so. I think I need to figure out how to do it sub 6 for D- I think. The moment she goes to arena or gets healthier I lose all options to punish besides verbally and she doesn't really seem to care. Might be missing something yet again though.
 

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I guess so. I think I need to figure out how to do it sub 6 for D- I think. The moment she goes to arena or gets healthier I lose all options to punish besides verbally and she doesn't really seem to care. Might be missing something yet again though.
Want me to give it a try from the point where you're feeling stuck?
 

Sonsuka

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Want me to give it a try from the point where you're feeling stuck?
Its a low money issue. I actually manage to get her to D- in day 7 by punishing her 1 more time before the arena fight and then on day 7 with threaten to sale. I was trying to see if I could somehow get it to D+, but I just have a lack of money I think and time. But my issue was I got D- with despair 1 so -50, I was just curious if you could get D- without fear fast enough as I needed the despair boost to get obedience to 1 green orb, D-, since I couldn't punish anymore besides a threaten 3 which happen to tip it over. But thats with optimistic as well and despair 1 for the green orb. This is my day 7 save.

What do you think would be a good next step after this. Buy apartment so I'm not stuck in slums still so my strength doesn't get murdered or still too expensive? then try for a D+ gladiator or go for something else since I have some money and +50 isnt as a necessity as before?

Edit: Had to post it because it was funny. Yah thats a no for me F temperment and Nature T.T

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What do you think would be a good next step after this. Buy apartment so I'm not stuck in slums still so my strength doesn't get murdered or still too expensive? then try for a D+ gladiator or go for something else since I have some money and +50 isnt as a necessity as before?
Apartment means you can get Isabella.
 

Sonsuka

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Apartment means you can get Isabella.
Is it worth getting Isabella and leaving her as an assistant? I had issues with her obedience swaying up and down earlier + food cost. Should I train her first or something then a slave or just leave her alone to clean and cook? Not really familiar with her when playing Johnny cuz of money constraints.

Though I am improving the swap cloth thing was super silly I didnt think of it, but helps a lot and I wasn't using drugs and alcohol. How silly. C soon if i get common skills. How would you train Johnny strength really? Do I just spam brothel or go to collo?
Also the hell is this trait.
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Is it worth getting Isabella and leaving her as an assistant? I had issues with her obedience swaying up and down earlier + food cost. Should I train her first or something then a slave or just leave her alone to clean and cook? Not really familiar with her when playing Johnny cuz of money constraints.

Though I am improving the swap cloth thing was super silly I didnt think of it, but helps a lot and I wasn't using drugs and alcohol. How silly. C soon if i get common skills. How would you train Johnny strength really? Do I just spam brothel or go to collo?
Also the hell is this trait
Trait is vermin affinity. Certain tortures involve creepy crawlies.

Brothel is cheap at 1$ up to C- then gets more expensive to keep progressing. Cheapest is regular sex at home.

Isabella might need a bit of training, not surprising considering her background, but having an assistant helps in many ways. Make her do the accounting, cook and clean, and have her teach the slave what she can. Should save a lot more than it costs to feed her.

Invest in a dungeon, the utility of a free swap for slave and assistant and quicker fear gain easily cover the cost.
 

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Trait is vermin affinity. Certain tortures involve creepy crawlies.

Brothel is cheap at 1$ up to C- then gets more expensive to keep progressing. Cheapest is regular sex at home.

Isabella might need a bit of training, not surprising considering her background, but having an assistant helps in many ways. Make her do the accounting, cook and clean, and have her teach the slave what she can. Should save a lot more than it costs to feed her.

Invest in a dungeon, the utility of a free swap for slave and assistant and quicker fear gain easily cover the cost.
Thanks. You got any advice on training nature. It just seems really long 0-40 even if I get 3 a day its 13 days. Just spamming colla seems like it? Can't sell because low nature is slightly annoying been stuck on it for 2 weeks.
 

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Thanks. You got any advice on training nature. It just seems really long 0-40 even if I get 3 a day its 13 days. Just spamming colla seems like it? Can't sell because low nature is slightly annoying been stuck on it for 2 weeks.
Boudoir, rest rewards at tier 3+, gladiatrix lessons (assistant can train slave), win arena battles.
 

Sonsuka

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Boudoir, rest rewards at tier 3+, gladiatrix lessons (assistant can train slave), win arena battles.
I figured. I manage to drag the nature along to the finish line. This plan make sense: Going throw her inside the dungeon i rent later, then train isabella. Then try to fix my frail strength, i was caught slacking lol. Guess I'll make isabella cook for food and then I assume I go brothel for fast sex once a day? (I didn't notice that on strength increase on wiki though or is that a Johny thing) I'll personally clean house as well for strength I guess? Try to get Isabella to C- C+ then go back to train the slave, cuz I assume dungeon will make her hit despair fast if I just leave her in there. So should I alternate swap train her at same time or just dip her there for a while?
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I figured. I manage to drag the nature along to the finish line. This plan make sense: Going throw her inside the dungeon i rent later, then train isabella. Then try to fix my frail strength, i was caught slacking lol. Guess I'll make isabella cook for food and then I assume I go brothel for fast sex once a day? (I didn't notice that on strength increase on wiki though or is that a Johny thing) I'll personally clean house as well for strength I guess? Try to get Isabella to C- C+ then go back to train the slave, cuz I assume dungeon will make her hit despair fast if I just leave her in there. So should I alternate swap train her at same time or just dip her there for a while?
Now that you have Isabella, she’s available for sex so the brothel is a way to save her energy for other purposes. To get strength up quickly, have sex as often as possible. It is not limited to once per day.

The wiki is not maintained by the dev team so take its info with a grain of salt. Click the slaver’s strength and look at the hints. Vigorous sex. Adequate meals.

Personally cleaning the house doesn’t help. Click the slaver’s mood. Look at the negatives in his diary. Avoid as many of those as possible. Once the slaver starts training personally his mood is important. And there may be other penalties attached to each negative mood factor. Drug withdrawal, for example, drains strength — he says he needs more but it’s usually better to stop using that drug for a while.

Train the slave daily. It’s optional to place the slave in the dungeon manually each night; there is a sleeping condition rule for it which will take her out again automatically in the morning for training. But if you leave her there then Isabella can stay in the slave slot overnight to benefit from more rules.

Isabella can escort the slave to school with the supervise rule to save slaver energy.

Isabella being D vs C doesn’t actually matter unless you plan to sell her. What matters is whether she is able to do what you need. Prioritize her training accordingly.
 

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Is it possible to make Uncle Tom's "issues" happen in the no loli edition?
Not easily.

Along these lines, any ideas for the other normal starts to give them more flavor?

Maybe make it harder to develop strength above Healthy / combat skill above C- for the less physical backgrounds? Maestro, Doc, etc. They aren’t warriors.

Maybe make it harder to develop skills outside their “speciality” in general?

Maybe give them special deals: free exams at hospital (Doc), free theater tickets (Maestro), bonus pay for public use (Silk Daddy), etc.
 
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Not easily.

Along these lines, any ideas for the other normal starts to give them more flavor?

Maybe make it harder to develop strength above Healthy / combat skill above C- for the less physical backgrounds? Maestro, Doc, etc. They aren’t warriors.

Maybe make it harder to develop skills outside their “speciality” in general?

Maybe give them special deals: free exams at hospital (Doc), free theater tickets (Maestro), bonus pay for public use (Silk Daddy), etc.
Silk Daddy is a pimp. He likely doesn't care about what a girl can do other than sex, so maybe his common stats grow more slowly. Milord has a good education, so maybe his common skills grow faster as a result. Might also make sense seeing as Milord is "easy mode." General differences that fit the lore.

I think deals are a good idea. I also think that making the skills outside of the character's specialty harder is a good idea. I agree that non warrior characters should have more difficulty raising combat skill and health beyond a certain point. They would have had no reason to before.
 
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