tanukk1

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Nov 1, 2024
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Only Johnny has a unique event/quest thingy.

The stat choices are quite meaningful, though. Picking Johnny is a real punishment game, limiting your options to the extreme. It takes a long time to increase stats, so for the toughest parts of the game you need to make do with what you start with.

Some noob traps to avoid in character creation:
Picking a house affiliated slaver lets you skip the whole early game in the slums, but where's the fun in that?
It might seem like a good idea to start with herculean strength, so you can smash some monsters right away and don't have to do sparring - but that strength will decay if you don't make the highest quality food, which you probably can't do for a while.
Points in charisma are wasted at the start, since they decay unless you're very wealthy.

What you want to ramp up:
Fitness, so you have enough energy to do your training and also some chores in town
Dominance, just makes the game easier
Magic, it's useful and also lets you teach some non-sexual skills
Some punishment skills
Some non-fetishy sex skills
 

Just69Joker

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Dec 22, 2024
13
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Only Johnny has a unique event/quest thingy.

The stat choices are quite meaningful, though. Picking Johnny is a real punishment game, limiting your options to the extreme. It takes a long time to increase stats, so for the toughest parts of the game you need to make do with what you start with.

Some noob traps to avoid in character creation:
Picking a house affiliated slaver lets you skip the whole early game in the slums, but where's the fun in that?
It might seem like a good idea to start with herculean strength, so you can smash some monsters right away and don't have to do sparring - but that strength will decay if you don't make the highest quality food, which you probably can't do for a while.
Points in charisma are wasted at the start, since they decay unless you're very wealthy.

What you want to ramp up:
Fitness, so you have enough energy to do your training and also some chores in town
Dominance, just makes the game easier
Magic, it's useful and also lets you teach some non-sexual skills
Some punishment skills
Some non-fetishy sex skills
Thanks for info. Found some quest in game code about his lost sister. Also I am curious about few moments about 2 specific characters:
1. hero_choice = 10 is Johny (master_nerd). Game code comment is "Johny gets bonus for big tits and lolis" - about lolis no questions, but what is big tits bonus meaning? Is that about MILF slaves in total or some specific list of girls? I love big tits and had to ask :)
2. hero_choice = 9 is Uncle Tom (master_granpa). He have comments like "Uncle Tom is always impotent in loli version" and "... gets bonus for lolis and penalty for non-lolis". Since this is no_loli edition, looks like he is not impotent, but does he saved penalty for non-lolis? Asking about this character because have an idea to experiment with new character - a guy, who served mistress and spent a whole life in chastity cage, and once he left home doing errands for his mistress, and was the victim of a robbery, was hit hard on the head and lost his memory and then he found himself in an unfamiliar city (Eternal Rome). And during gameplay it would be nice to return his memories step by step. So actually he is not impotent, but can't have sex because of being caged, and still can cum in cage. Despite the possibility of cutting off the lock from the cage, he is afraid to remove it (has a phobia). To return his memories, can be applied 2 options: completing specific quests or checking the game days counter. At some moment we can give him a choice: to cut the lock and unlock ability to have sex, or return to his mistress, and by this option game can go wild mode, and it will be like an alternative ending, but first we can enjoy by few scenes with our hero in role of a slave, who carries out the mistress’s tasks and satisfies her in every possible way.
//Maybe, another new character will be Transmorph (alternate to Werewolf), who can switch his form from male to female (or futanari, but it can be 3rd new character, and still for 3rd slot I'm thinking about Orphan kid/boy) physically or magically. His transformations can be better and better, or unlocks new abilities. In first case (physical) can be used Allure skill level, in second (magical) - learning of new spells. But I guess it will be hard to implement in game, and still, worth it.
//So, probably 3 new characters will be Slave, Orphan and Transmorph. Also want to add Futanari, but maybe in future, with another +2 (for example, one-armed or one-legged Pirate and escaped Prisoner, which is on the wanted list). Can't stop to generate new characters - another one option is Gambler with big debts. Each of these heroes with extraordinary pasts can trigger special storyline during playing process. For example, Gambler may be forced to pay regularly some part of money until he close his debts. Let's say, each Monday he loses N sparks. If he run out of money and can't pay weekly "tax", game triggers alternate 'game over' scene where he is getting killed by some gangs. In total here is named like 7 new characters already and for sure there can be more. Maybe it's time to think about creating new game, or fork of this one. In second case need 12 new characters to replace existing ones. This is really easy to do without changing balance by additional characters. And lost sister of Johny can become lost sister of Orphan. But currently I'd like to boost amount of characters and add them, not to replace.
 
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Viskaya

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Aug 28, 2017
5
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Hello people.

Is there someone who can help me understand this game? I have read the tutorial and i've had about 10hours ingame, but still i fail.

I manage to get my slave to be happy and having her in the habit of being a maid, she does it without complaining. I even got her to do cooking also. And i did that for about 10 days, and she was happy all the time, doing the chores without incident.

So i was feeling comfortable and wanted her to help me bathe, which she refused. And after that she begun refusing doing her chores and i tried different types of "consequenses" to reign her in. But it just ended in her getting depressed and eventually she ran away and was gone.

And my character always gets depressed, how do you prevent that?

And how do you learn / increase magic? I haven't been able to cast any spell.

If someone could explain how this works, because the tutorial is not enough.

How can this game get new players with such a high entry difficulty? And yes, i play at the easiest setting.

But i'm intrigued. HELP MEEEEE!
 

Just69Joker

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Dec 22, 2024
13
1
Hello people.

Is there someone who can help me understand this game? I have read the tutorial and i've had about 10hours ingame, but still i fail.

I manage to get my slave to be happy and having her in the habit of being a maid, she does it without complaining. I even got her to do cooking also. And i did that for about 10 days, and she was happy all the time, doing the chores without incident.

So i was feeling comfortable and wanted her to help me bathe, which she refused. And after that she begun refusing doing her chores and i tried different types of "consequenses" to reign her in. But it just ended in her getting depressed and eventually she ran away and was gone.

And my character always gets depressed, how do you prevent that?

And how do you learn / increase magic? I haven't been able to cast any spell.

If someone could explain how this works, because the tutorial is not enough.

How can this game get new players with such a high entry difficulty? And yes, i play at the easiest setting.

But i'm intrigued. HELP MEEEEE!
Yes, this game definitely needs an accessible presentation of the basic principles of the game. This is what I wanted to implement: random wall page (between warning screen and main menu) with descriptions of specific game mechanics or to represent some useless, but pleasant to read stories, that reveal the game world in a new light. Sorry I can't help you since played not much. First of all I wanted to replace some art, because I don't like big part of media content in v.1.7.7.2 (had no time to review v2.3 yet). Thank god here is no lolis at all, but some art still can be better. Just open Tutorial and look at Mistress Angelika to understand what I'm talking about. Basically, she can be replaced by another picture of mistress with transparent background. Or need to edit current image to remove white outline that immediately catches the eye.
 

congorin

New Member
Jul 27, 2019
13
11
Hello people.

Is there someone who can help me understand this game? I have read the tutorial and i've had about 10hours ingame, but still i fail.

I manage to get my slave to be happy and having her in the habit of being a maid, she does it without complaining. I even got her to do cooking also. And i did that for about 10 days, and she was happy all the time, doing the chores without incident.

So i was feeling comfortable and wanted her to help me bathe, which she refused. And after that she begun refusing doing her chores and i tried different types of "consequenses" to reign her in. But it just ended in her getting depressed and eventually she ran away and was gone.

And my character always gets depressed, how do you prevent that?

And how do you learn / increase magic? I haven't been able to cast any spell.

If someone could explain how this works, because the tutorial is not enough.

How can this game get new players with such a high entry difficulty? And yes, i play at the easiest setting.

But i'm intrigued. HELP MEEEEE!
cast auspex, it will show you the slaves aural stats then learn how to interpret what the stats mean and how to manipulate it.

here is what probably happens to your slave; she has high enough obedience to obey being a maid but not enough to bath you, then you punish her increasing her fear, she obey you for now but shes depressed af, then you punish her more so she despaired and gtfo, you are lucky she isnt depressed enough to commit kms.

dont overpunish, 2 or 3 punishment session per day is enough lest you risk increasing her despair and depress the fk out of her.
 
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qwertyu12359

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Yes, this game definitely needs an accessible presentation of the basic principles of the game. This is what I wanted to implement: random wall page (between warning screen and main menu)
We tried not long ago, but the result was too disruptive and handholding.

The room for improvement is for conveying informations in a diegetic way. Aside from that, mystery as well as trial and error are part of the original game philosophy. It's what makes it what it is, and there's such a thing as diverting too much away from that.

Sorry I can't help you since played not much. First of all I wanted to replace some art, because I don't like big part of media content in v.1.7.7.2 (had no time to review v2.3 yet).
v1.7.7.2 has nothing to do with our version. It's from a completely different branch with different developers and more than 6 years of differences.

Some art still can be better. Just open Tutorial and look at Mistress Angelika to understand what I'm talking about. Basically, she can be replaced by another picture of mistress with transparent background. Or need to edit current image to remove white outline that immediately catches the eye.
I agree, a lot of NPCs have ungraceful white outlines. If possible, it'd be preferable to keep the current NPCs and improve their presentation rather than completely changing everyone and their essence.
 

Just69Joker

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Dec 22, 2024
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can any one help solve this error
Error: Unknown action!
Error code: 28
Location: #simple_npc
Line: 124
FOR I = 1 TO Z:
Probably you tried to open game with qSpider player, right? Need to download game and launch 'Jack-o-nine-tails.exe' from game folder. I installed that player since can't figure out how to add and open hyperlink to this forum from 'Development' page. Game was made with AeroQSP and it don't have full HTML support. qSpider is modern player with full HTML support, but I can't launch any game with that player (v2.3 and v1.7.7.2). So maybe that's your case too, since I have same error when trying to open v2.3 (actually 'jack.qsp').
 

Daggander

Newbie
May 2, 2020
35
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Are there image packs that aren't anime? This animestuff is kind of creeping me out a bit but the game looks like it might be interesting.
 

tanukk1

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Nov 1, 2024
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Are there image packs that aren't anime? This animestuff is kind of creeping me out a bit but the game looks like it might be interesting.
Nope.
Though I personally enjoy it, anime aesthetic fits poorly with the vibes of this game. It only kind of works because the slaves are from other worlds, so you can think of it as a reverse isekai anime.
Thinking about alternatives, you could lift stuff from real porn, though I'd never want to touch that.
Realistically, you could only do AI generation with some semi-photorealistic model. But everyone underestimates how hard that is to do as well.
 
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Just69Joker

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We tried not long ago, but the result was too disruptive and handholding.

The room for improvement is for conveying informations in a diegetic way. Aside from that, mystery as well as trial and error are part of the original game philosophy. It's what makes it what it is, and there's such a thing as diverting too much away from that.


v1.7.7.2 has nothing to do with our version. It's from a completely different branch with different developers and more than 6 years of differences.


I agree, a lot of NPCs have ungraceful white outlines. If possible, it'd be preferable to keep the current NPCs and improve their presentation rather than completely changing everyone and their essence.
Thank you for reply, I got your point and agree in part that it's a bad idea to reveal the mechanics in full, like some game cheats. But player can get some superficial presentation by reading wall texts. For example, he can read about importance of food or something like "Maintaining cleanliness in the house is no less important than improving living conditions". I believe that if player want to know something, better to give him some info in game, or else he will try to find it in internet or basically can close and delete game. Total blindness mode is also not a very good thing for newcomers. I mentioned 'Fallout 2' already and when you create character, have a lot of basic information about attributes and skills, so player know why he need Agility attribute or Sneak skill. Actually character's page here have all of it too, so we can just duplicate and show one of random tips when player launched game. Or this information may have a slightly different presentation. Examples: "If you feel depressed, just check own notes to remember, what makes you joyless. To open diary, click on mood status under character's picture."; "Your slave escaped again? Try a different approach. Perhaps, you are hitting that bitch too hard or too often?". Also I think it's better to read whole topic to find the most frequently asked questions and use it for wall.
About the appearance of the NPCs I have a bit different vision. I believe that most important "rules" during some art replacements is: 1. Maintain the general game atmosphere. Means, all art should be in a similar style and new image of NPC shouldn't contradict his description or character: if we are talking about a strict mistress Angelika, then she shouldn't dress up like an easily accessible whore. If she was dressed, new image shouldn't be naked etc. 2. Cut everything, what can be better or hotter (sexier). To be honest, me and many other players likes adult games by eyes. I will not play a good game, if the artistic part not making me a bit horny. Let's take Mistress Angelika from 'Tutorial' page as a good example. Just replaced it and likes new Angelika's view much more, while the previous one caused only rejection. This girl have a huge chance to be the first seen by the new player. And it’s better to make the first impression about the game properly. In fact, it's hard to find a graphical legacy in this game that you'd really like to preserve. There is a lot of content here and always something that can be improved. Does this Angelika replacement made the game worse? I don't think so. Also was a big difference between NPC and background. And that old picture was in v1.7.7.2 as well. Good to have both versions and compare, plus all (or most of) text available on 2 languages. Also please pay attention to her description: "She looks like a complete bitch, though sexy." - old Angelika wasn't sexy even close.
P.S. I understand that need to save the same size of image: 795x596, while replacement have 450x600. Just was in rush to finish this message and send it, while busy with another things (including 8th animation for master_butler, but he could be so good in role of Slave as additional character...).
P.S.2. Found original game with that content (it's on F95 too - Domina [v10.0] [Dekarous]) and was surprised to see another images with her: hitting by leg (few images), hitting by whip, pissing on face or just standing with satisfied face. That gives more options for improving game, depends what is the task.
 
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