bigdickwaterland
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- Jan 3, 2019
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I will look at the update, if there is no sex scene with another man, I will stop supporting him. Because this is already a mockery.
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Bolero
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I think you are just tired of waiting so now you are writing something that you do not really think. I mean how can you not care about quality? That is the solo reason why people are still sticking to this game, even though the updates are slow and short. If he said that he could make the game release sooner but with a big decrease in render quality etc., i would say do not do it. I have at this time 155 good games bookmarked (games i played and i liked), but maybe 10 of them are the ones with the top quality that i play every update. JOHN is one of them and i do not want them to become average-good like the rest. And anyway i do not think stoper would be able to do things much faster anyway, seems like that is the way he works.
Bolero
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I jsut read that update. OMG. Can we get one good news on this thread. Like what da fuck? Every log bad news after bad news. Like 99% of people here are waiting for that one straight scene and then he will not make it.
Honestly this is bull...., i could use some harsher words but i will try to stop myself from writing. Fairwell good folks, seems it would be the best to give this thread a rest for a couple of weeks, but i know i will probably not be able to restrain myself.
Honestly this is bull...., i could use some harsher words but i will try to stop myself from writing. Fairwell good folks, seems it would be the best to give this thread a rest for a couple of weeks, but i know i will probably not be able to restrain myself.
palmtrees89
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- Jul 3, 2021
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Like, is he for real? 6+ months for a single event with a lesbian route and a faithful route that's prolly resulting in a quicker ending with Jessica going home cuddling with Connor?
What happened to his previous statement about redoing the final branch and just going with it, satisfied or not? What the hell am I even reading here? This is a joke.
I tried being more positive lately after stoper decided to visit us a couple times here, but honestly? This is just laughable. Anyone intending to keep paying for this after such a let down (AGAIN) is just slow in the head.
umby
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- May 27, 2017
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I believe a lot in what I said. since there are games that are less beautiful to look at but that I almost look forward to more than those of stoper. it is not clear to me what will be in this update but I confess to this forum that honestly this aura of mystery if before it excited me a lot now it starts to annoy me very much. I bet concrete games, maybe (a little lower technically) but I know what scenes there are if they fit my tastes and with a lot of freedom of my choice. See you soon.
Let's not act like deadlines are a foreign concept in the world of arts. You think Stoper is like a renaissance grand master, because he takes the longest? At the end of the day JOHN is "just" porn produced in Daz.
He could invest his Patreon bucks to take a few courses, learn some tricks of the trade and streamline his process. Even if you think his work is already worthy of support, it's not like it couldn't be better.
BorgiaBou
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At this point i would really like that stoper and lp to be the same person and that's why is taking so much for both games to update one week working on this another week on AWAM, i swear i woldn't be mad at all if that was the case... its better than to know that one person can drag and stall one game so much...
jamdan
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- Sep 28, 2018
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This update only having 1 event, with 2 variations, is to say the least...not good. Especially for 6 months of work. Even more so since he decided to take out the 3rd variation, which was the one most people were looking forward to the most.
He makes good art, and I don't like doing this, but there are other developers who make just as good art in larger quantity and quicker timeframes. His workflow obviously doesn't work. He may think it does, but this update isn't going to be worth a download for a lot of people.
This is another example, on the big ol' pile of examples, that being a perfectionist isn't compatible with making a game. If you ever want to complete your game, you have a compromise. Either settle for less than perfect art, or slim down the story so you don't need to do as much of it. Not doing either isn't sustainable. A flawed game that gets completed is better than a perfect game that get's abandoned.
He makes good art, and I don't like doing this, but there are other developers who make just as good art in larger quantity and quicker timeframes. His workflow obviously doesn't work. He may think it does, but this update isn't going to be worth a download for a lot of people.
This is another example, on the big ol' pile of examples, that being a perfectionist isn't compatible with making a game. If you ever want to complete your game, you have a compromise. Either settle for less than perfect art, or slim down the story so you don't need to do as much of it. Not doing either isn't sustainable. A flawed game that gets completed is better than a perfect game that get's abandoned.
Bishop Robert
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Damn, I've been a fan of Stoper for awhile now and I'm just disappointed we had to wait this long for 2/3 of a update.
At first I thought the beta should be released already (thinking it would be like last times where most of the content would be there) but one branch the branch most people (I'd guess most) would be interested in is the one getting cut from it? I mean I guess release it anyway but that still is a let down.
Am hopeful this is a one time thing but we'll see.
At first I thought the beta should be released already (thinking it would be like last times where most of the content would be there) but one branch the branch most people (I'd guess most) would be interested in is the one getting cut from it? I mean I guess release it anyway but that still is a let down.
Am hopeful this is a one time thing but we'll see.
PietruccioTheHilander
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- Jul 17, 2019
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Totally agree, I am trying to everytime I see a post for this game to ignore it because frustration. I encourage everyone who can to just ignore this game for probably about a year because honestly I don't see any major updates coming out in at least a year if not more but people constantly checking (trust me I do it to so I am not judging anyone) is just going to make it more frustrating and feel like its taking longer because we keep checking. I am currently looking for other games and trying to distract myself with other stuff to do. I am not giving up on the game yet because what is there is very good but man its hard not to just give up.
Edoks
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Hummm... I think I'm going to skip this update... 6 months or a year doesn't make much difference to me.
I can see him "not feeling" the straight cheating scene since it should have happened with Parker first. No one else has as much buildup as him so it does not feel right to give it to someone else. He should probably just have Jessica run into Parker at the party.
GingerSweetGirl
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It's a great point. The evolution of the AVG industry took a huge step forward with Patreon, but I really do think we're at a crossroads. Developers either need to become more professional and team-centric, or they need to scale down and become more modest. We're seeing too many games with immense potential collapse under their own weight. As I see it, there are three related problems:
- Amateur single-person development teams
- Artist-first developers
- Overly ambitious, and poorly defined, games
To bring it back to JOHN for a second, I really think Stoper owes his patrons (not us) a true mea culpa. There are a lot of patrons that deserve a better explanation about why this update has turned into such a clusterfuck. He doesn't owe us anything, but he owes them a lot. At absolute best Stoper has been disingenious to some degree about the development process for this update. Months of effort have resulted in next to nothing and an update that will only be released as an unfinished beta. At worst, Stoper has been outright dishonest and was unproductive for months, all while collecting payment. At minimum Stoper should pause the collection of payments until the full release is out and guarantee anyone who was a patron during the last month or two full access to the update when it's released.
Once the full-version is released, I think Stoper needs to seriously consider putting this game on pause. I understand that makes it far more likely that the game will be abandoned, but at this point I think it's time for a radical change. Something about this game has ground development to a halt, and I think Stoper needs to take some time to figure himself out. Pausing the game and continuing development in the background could be a method to get his head right without the pressure of expectations or paying patrons.
In my opinion his reputation and credibility are on the line. I think his long-term viability as a developer is in question.
Come on man
Even this game is my absolute favorite, I will give it a rest for some months.
Really... A beta with the boring 2 out comes, that nearly nobody want to see.
Thats a big disappointment.
I mean really? 6 months developing for a lesbian and a vanilla scene..
Have fun with this beta update
See ya
By the way, to be honest. I believe this game will be abondend soon.
The developer/stoper sees for him self that he can not meet the expectations of the fans
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I completely agree, especially about being at a crossroads. The problem with Patreon as I see it is that it is basically the same thing as Early access on steam for games. You can "help" the dev by buying the game at its current state and hope that the game gets more developed and ultimately "released" in a completed state. I have done that a few times on steam and been screwed the few times I did it with the dev either abandoning the game or finishing it but the finished product was crap.
Bottom line for both Patreon donators and people who purchase EA games on steam is there are no guarantee's and there really can't be. What I see as a possible solution is that people who want to donate to a project, game whatever pay for incremental progress where devs set goals and if they complete the goals on time they get something extra from their donators but if they don't they get less something like that. That way they have more of an incentive not to just jerk people around.
Of course life happens and I have sympathy for some devs who I believe sincerely tried to live up to what they said they would do mainly because their product was really good and they kept in constant contact and didn't give new dates ALL THE TIME, which is my problem with Stoper at this point.
Sorry for the long post but I think people continuing to donate without getting hardly anything back is a big part of why some devs delay as long as they can because they get more that way they if they put the updates sooner. If donators paid for a block of the game it wouldn't be as much about time passing more about content being completed.
Why am I not surprised or disappointed with the latest news? Maybe it’s because I could already foresee the outcome. Kudos to him for all his art quality but it’s time for me to move on. Game won’t survive for longer if he doesn’t change his attitude. Anyway, thanks for the game. It really was an amazing experience.
onlyfunfunf
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What is happening with developers, there are more and more developers that are delaying updates or giving miserable update with scene or two. This game was one of the best but I think it is over, 6 monts for 1lesbian or faithful scene thats crazy. Stoper needs to decide or to abandon the game or bigger updates with little bit less quality. This is unfair for people that are playing the game.