Yes everything is covid's fault. I wouldn't be complaining if the dev would STOP advertising when they were going to release the next update OVER AND OVER AGAIN only for it not to happen each time. You can make all the excuses you want and support him all you want but people have legit issues with the way this is being done paying or not and if the dev would just shut up and not give out release dates that end up not happening / stringing people along / jerking people around to possibly try to keep interest high to keep getting money from his Patreons then I don't think people would be as angry.
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The solution isn't to stop giving release dates, the solution is to hold himself to his release date. He'll happily stop giving release dates on the future, and development will continue to get longer. The day he stops giving release information is the day the game drags out forever. He needs to learn how to give an accurate release date and to stick to it.
Except he isn't sticking to release dates and I don't see any sign of that changing. The only other thing would be for Patreons to stop funding him completely with the message that they will start again once he puts out a MEANINGFUL update and not just some minor crap which most people here don't seem to care about much.
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Not giving a release date won't change the fact that people will complain if it takes too much time for an update, or it's because they abandon the game by themselves and forget about it.
Stoper has been quite open about his struggles, lack of motivation and inspiration. Though I don't see that changing soon. Don't expect more than 2 updates per year at max, and not with a lot of content (but still same quality), until it's officially abandoned
Stoper has been quite open about his struggles, lack of motivation and inspiration. Though I don't see that changing soon. Don't expect more than 2 updates per year at max, and not with a lot of content (but still same quality), until it's officially abandoned
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Burnout is a big deal in any creative endeavor. This is why devs, before they even start a game, should have the story and / or experience of the game plotted out from beginning to every possible ending, and then storyboarding them so planning the required images is easier. It is also why I always advocate that a dev never give the audience control over the product, which could easily result in resentment that eats at the enjoyment of making the game as well as create disruptions that will cause even more creative meandering that also fuels burnout.
Stoper flying by the seat of his pants, while creatively fulfilling for him I suppose, is 90% the reason why his dev schedule is all over the place. I once thought he already had the entire story mapped out. It looks like that isn't the case.
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And to make matters worse, I don't think this is creatively fulfilling to him anymore. I get the impression on these slow burn games that the build up is what burns out a developer. Spending all this time on foundational, non-sexy, scenes can get tedious. I think that tedium, and the complexity of the branching paths, dooms many games.
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So what's stopping him from doing more sex scenes? He could perfectly include spontaneous sex in the game with a teacher who accidentally penetrated her (two actions to push him away or let her be pinned to the table and fucked) or with Parker to have sex in the heat of a drunken frenzy at the car in the alley (by the way, Mr. Parker's penis needs to be slightly reduced, otherwise it looks like he has a piece of wood) or the development of events with an office kid, like invited him home together to make an investigation plan, and She goes takes a bath and puts on a short robe and fucking began.
Or having the principle "accidently" push her underwear aside and fuck her? But yeah I agree, if the non-sex scenes (which is what most of us perfer I think) are what is tiring him out then make less of those and more sex scenes. I honestly like the story but I do think there is too much filler mainly because its like 80% buildup so far. Also if he craps out now because of the non-sex scenes or whatever reason we will have gone through the buildup for NOTHING or next to nothing.So what's stopping him from doing more sex scenes? He could perfectly include spontaneous sex in the game with a teacher who accidentally penetrated her (two actions to push him away or let her be pinned to the table and fucked) or with Parker to have sex in the heat of a drunken frenzy at the car in the alley (by the way, Mr. Parker's penis needs to be slightly reduced, otherwise it looks like he has a piece of wood) or the development of events with an office kid, like invited him home together to make an investigation plan, and She goes takes a bath and puts on a short robe and fucking began.
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So what's stopping him from doing more sex scenes? He could perfectly include spontaneous sex in the game with a teacher who accidentally penetrated her (two actions to push him away or let her be pinned to the table and fucked) or with Parker to have sex in the heat of a drunken frenzy at the car in the alley (by the way, Mr. Parker's penis needs to be slightly reduced, otherwise it looks like he has a piece of wood) or the development of events with an office kid, like invited him home together to make an investigation plan, and She goes takes a bath and puts on a short robe and fucking began.
I think there's a rigid adherence to "the plan". Something like "I have this plan for how the corruption will develop, and in order for it to work then events A, B, and C all need to happen first." These events will corrupt the MC, but they also require setup, so suddenly it becomes a lot of slow plodding to set up even just "Event A". If he jumps right into the sex it can/could break all of the immersion for a huge portion of the players, and that can kill the game. The whole point of a game like JOHN is that it isn't a cheap fuckfest and that sex has to be earned. But I think many games like JOHN have gone too far with the slow burn. At some point we're all here for fun and sex, and I think some devs have forgotten that. Instead, they're so concerned with making the story progress at their predetermined pace that they've lost the point and aren't having fun.
IMO that seems to be exactly what happened with Stoper on this update. Whatever the original plan for this update was, it must have been really boring to him. I think it may have included a lot of foundation building, just so he could do more build up later. Even the Blake event itself sounds like it isn't very interesting to him and it's probably geared more towards setting up future sex.
I think we need more games that are quick, fun, and punchy. You can have lots of sex without cheapening it. You can have fun plot that makes the characters interesting. But we need to move away from games that wait 2, 3, 4+ years before there's payoff. Not so much because we need to rush into sex, but more because games that wait that long collapse under their own expectations. Devs should allow their stories to be fun, and they should concentrate on making their game fun to produce, even if it stretches believability. If you're environments and characters are boring you then don't rigidly stick with it just because that's the plan. Allow yourself to have fun, otherwise you'll burn out.
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And that's the thing I like. "Hi miss, I'm the cable guy and I'm here to fix you" maybe is fun but it's not a game, it's simply pornografy, nothing more, nothing less.
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There are A LOT of sex scenes in JOHN, by the way. For a 0.45 release.
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To be clear, I was speaking broadly besides just JOHN. But you're right that JOHN is by no means the worst offender when it comes to sexual content. That said, it has still been a slow burn and I think that weighs heavily on it. Waiting 3+ years for a blowjob is asking a lot from an audience. It also requires such a slow progression that the dev themselves can become bored.
I think Stoper tried to implement some lessons from other slow burn games, but I don't think he executed those lessons correctly. This game should be well past half way after almost 4 years, but we're not even close. That means we're still in Act 1, and dealing with foundation building.
There must be a better way to balance build-up and the payoff.
I do like games with some buildup and story but the story shouldn't dominate the game SOOOOO much that the sex scenes take forever.
There's always a better way. But here the "slow burn" it's about time between updates, not the story.
Most of the sex scenes in this game are with her boring boyfriend..that's not interesting
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Not interesting??? The man eats pancakes with his hands like he's eating a sandwich! He's definitely not boring!
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There is also quite a bit of content with Heather too (her neighbor), but it's lesbian. Though lots of people want to see Parker's dick in Jess' vagina
I like the content with Heather tbh. I think Parker is overrated
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You see, that's just the point, the developer constantly shows sex with her boyfriend and according to the plot that we have, there should already have been at least 2 scenes of betrayal. In my opinion, Jessica takes too long to develop lust for other men. That is why people are not happy. There are few renders, but they are of high quality, again, if desired, they could be increased, all the more so over such a period of time. In fact, Jessica is not particularly developing in the lustful direction "she seems to be marking time." And it's depressing. Even the developer shows that he doesn’t seem to mind starting a large-scale fuck, but for some reason (in fact, everyone knows for what reason) he doesn’t do this and he gets bored, he doesn’t see development and begins to suffer from the work done . I hope that the developer will give Jessica freedom in sexual partners and of course we are waiting for the plot.
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I hope that the developer will give Jessica free rein in sexual partners and of course we are waiting for the plot.You see, that's just the point, the developer constantly shows sex with her boyfriend and according to the plot that we have, there should already have been at least 2 scenes of betrayal. In my opinion, Jessica takes too long to develop lust for other men. That is why people are not happy. There are few renders, but they are of high quality, again, if desired, they could be increased, all the more so over such a period of time. In fact, Jessica is not particularly developing in the lustful direction "she seems to be marking time." And it's depressing. Even the developer shows that he doesn’t seem to mind starting a large-scale fuck, but for some reason (in fact, everyone knows for what reason) he doesn’t do this and he gets bored, he doesn’t see development and begins to suffer from the work done . I hope that the developer will give Jessica freedom in sexual partners and of course we are waiting for the plot.