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to be fair it makes sense with the context of that scene that youd miss out on sex since Kane wouldnt have the time to be fucking around with piggy since Olivia wouldnt be otherwise occupied and since at the time they both still thought they were brother and sister, a three-way was out of the question
 
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Sancho1969 answered this question earlier.

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I think it's too early to judge the significance of some of the variables. Tess has a habit of creating a lot of variables, but some of them (including the ones you thought were unnecessary/forgotten) may well turn out to be classic "Chekhov guns hanging on the wall" that will shot one day, and it's not necessarily going to happen in ch8 at all. We all know that Tess wrote the game's story quite a long time ago, and her introduction of certain variables seems to me a deliberate decision, with a view to their future use. Who in the end will be right, time and new chapters of the game will show.
I just read what Sancho said and must admit I didn't think of Evaluation but I'll hold to the Elena theory but if it's a positive or negative who knows only the nose knows and your correct in mentioning Chechov's guns but only problem for me is that it always creates anticipation for the unknown.
 

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Same here. I also didn't realise you missed piggy scene if skipping Olivia-Kat since I always chose it.
If it was just a scene, it'd still be fine imo.
But my problem is you miss out on the pigally & pigmask variables, which might be impactful in the game show in ch8.
It's definitely bad design if skipping lesbian content has that much impact on the plot & possibly your chances at ranking up (The importance of the pig variables is just conjecture tho).
Especially since this could be easily avoided:


I think it was only stan who generalized it to lesbian & I just gave my view on it in a spoiler.

The coding, especially the variable handling in this game is not that great.

Bisisopen(variable for bi Olivia) is only checked in chapter 5, & never used again.
I guess the dev forgot about it or gave up on the idea starting from the chapter 6 release.
Similarly cassandraloyal is also abandoned after chapter 5.

There's a lot of variables treated in such a way, & we can only guess if they will ever come into play later in the game.

Eg: sisbonus (Alessandra gives bonus in ch.1), poorprisoners/richprisoners (whether Cassandra gets car), etc. variables are forgotten & never checked.


Welcome to KG, the game of guessing the plot. :ROFLMAO:
Here's some other theories: https://f95zone.to/threads/karlssons-gambit-v0-7b-final-grym-gudinna-games.50840/post-10821266

Btw e is just a random letter & dom is the path. The actual variables are espts & edpts for the sub & dom paths respectively. Sancho changed it to dom for better understanding I guess.
The official walkthrough from the dev clarifies these measure how you perform, with more=lower performance. Try to avoid getting any to climb up the ranks & get more if trying to rank down.
Thanks, I'll change a few things regarding the E Dom and see if it does anything, as for the theories only great storylines can be that thought provoking and in so provide curiosity and anticipation of what comes next, which can be exciting in itself. Eh, who am I kidding it sucks because the questions have to remain unanswered and then even more theories pop up resulting in even more questions. One could go wacko thinking about the various scenarios.
 

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I just read what Sancho said and must admit I didn't think of Evaluation but I'll hold to the Elena theory but if it's a positive or negative who knows only the nose knows and your correct in mentioning Chechov's guns but only problem for me is that it always creates anticipation for the unknown.
I am also inclined to think that it (edpts points) is about Elena's dominance over the MC (but hardly the other way around), not even on a sexual level, but rather on a mental one. That is, in essence, this scene is letting Еlena know whether Kane is ready to fight on his own in a predatory Z-rank environment or whether he needs her tutelage. But that's speculation based on logic for now, and for now we have enough of what Tess wrote in the official walkthrough:

NOTE: This is dom path version of points, generally getting points is BAD for reaching higher ranks, so avoiding them is better for reaching executive rank someday. Much like sub path, these points will carry over to Episode 8 and not have an impact until the end of that episode after more management of the female pod and game show.

So, if we're talking about edpts points, the positives and negatives are pretty clearly delineated, and it all depends on what kind of dom Kane you want. More edpts points are better for a less independent and less responsible Dom Kane (not necessarily a future sexually dependent on Elena), less edpts points are better for a true dominant and serious Kane who can control his impulses and is not afraid to make independent decisions against Elena's advice. As a consequence, getting a higher Z-rank on the Dom path and probably other bonuses. That's how I see it.
 

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E Dom + seems like it would be either Elena Dom over MC or MC Dom over Elena but your saying it's 100% bad to get because I was thinking it was good to get so if you know it's bad I'll go back and change some choices I made
It's good to have a save where these points start but we know dev used these types of points in massage scene too and z points etc. But i believe that these should be avoided.
 
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It's good to have a save where these points start but we know dev used these types of points in massage scene too and z points etc. But i believe that these should be avoided.
If you want to achieve the highest possible rank, then yes, it is better to avoid (just as it was with z points on Dom track). Tess wrote in her time that the difference between adjacent ranks is not that big, so the intrigue (imho) is just what, apart from the highest Z-rank, a Dom Kane who has succumbed to several temptations will lose. He is not going to be a slave a priori, but the consequences of Dom's decisions in ch7 (the subway sex scene and edpts) are something Tess will have to show. Roughly speaking, I'd like the real difference between the "conditional Dom Kane Z1" (who gained extra and unnecessary edpts points) and the "reference dominant Kane Z2 or even Z3" to be more substantial than a few lines of text.
 
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Sancho1969 answered this question earlier.

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I think it's too early to judge the significance of some of the variables. Tess has a habit of creating a lot of variables, but some of them (including the ones you thought were unnecessary/forgotten) may well turn out to be classic "Chekhov guns hanging on the wall" that will shot one day, and it's not necessarily going to happen in ch8 at all. We all know that Tess wrote the game's story quite a long time ago, and her introduction of certain variables seems to me a deliberate decision, with a view to their future use. Who in the end will be right, time and new chapters of the game will show.
Yeah, I didn't say anything before because of this.
It can be still used, was my idea for the sisbonus & poor/rich prisoners variabls. (Though if the prisoners refer to the pods, it should've had some effect by now).
Similarly some variables can be retired after serving their purpose, like the z points etc.

Problem is the lesbian & bisis option doesn't fall into this category as this imo was less of a story variable & more of a player preference variable & there were clear instances where it should've been used.
It's like saying you didn't forget about the saferoom during the burglary but rather plan to use it in the future only.
Or saying you intentionally didn't read them their rights but planned to do it in a future arrest.

Also creating 2 variables (lesbian+bi sis) for the same choice is meaningless. What's the point of lesbiansisopen, which is the same flag as bisisopen (checks if Olivia chose female slaves too).
Example of weird variable coding.

Hope you're right tho & we get some payoff from those early variables. The calculations I had to do to get sisbonus while balancing sis_bro_p & sisgood & sisevil :ROFLMAO:

to be fair it makes sense with the context of that scene that youd miss out on sex since Kane wouldnt have the time to be fucking around with piggy since Olivia wouldnt be otherwise occupied and since at the time they both still thought they were brother and sister, a three-way was out of the question
I already mentioned this & also mentioned the simple solution to this. Olivia & kat can talk about work if players choose to avoid lesbian sex.
Basically, if players say yes, you get lez scene & piggy scene. If players say no to lez scene, the girls keep it professional & talk about z-rank executive stuff while MC puts piggy away(piggy scene).
I guess the logic was MC could only get time to do the piggy if Olivia was otherwise engaged during that time.
Dover's complaint about this is justified though, as even without an alternate Kat-piggy-MC 3some(more renders more work, Olivia waiting alone doesn't make sense), the dev could've just said Olivia & Kat were discussing the game show while MC had his piggy.
The 3some in consideration here is not Olivia-Kat-MC as Olivia had already turned down Kat & MC-Olivia is not developed to that extent anyway, as you said.

What Dover suggested was that, after being rejected by Olivia, Kat follows MC to basement & joins the MC-piggy scene.
However that doesn't work as Olivia waiting alone for them to finish fornicating doesn't make sense, and Olivia cannot leave as she has to leave with MC to transition into the next scene smoothly.

Only solution is to replace the lez scene with a non-sexual alternative to make time for the MC-piggy scene.

This kind of stuff is often done to cater to player preferences, but since it isn't there & the bisis variable wasn't used post chapter 5, I feel dev forgot or didn't care.
 
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I absolutely love this game, but I really hope you can get to a point where you can really put the screws on the girls. I mean these women lied, abused, experimented on, assaulted, and tortured the protagonist AND his brother, and in essentially all scenarios we're expected to just put up with it and shut up (which makes sense given the MC's lack of status). Once there's the big reveal about how integral he is to everyone and HE discovers it, I hope that we're able to actually exert that power.

I certainly think it's going to be tricky for Tess to pull it off after writing these women as being in power the entire time, but I really do think the only way the endgame is going to feel like a pay-off is if we get the *possibility* to put them under our boot in more than one way. Just like they would tease, abuse or even torture depending on our responses, we should be able to make the choice of some of those on the Dom run. I only say this because I've seen too many games which have the protag go through a lot of shit, and then he just immediately forgets about it so he can spunk his load.
 

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I already mentioned this & also mentioned the simple solution to this. Olivia & kat can talk about work if players choose to avoid lesbian sex.
Basically, if players say yes, you get lez scene & piggy scene. If players say no to lez scene, the girls keep it professional & talk about z-rank executive stuff while MC puts piggy away(piggy scene).

The 3some in consideration here is not Olivia-Kat-MC as Olivia had already turned down Kat & MC-Olivia is not developed to that extent anyway, as you said.

What Dover suggested was that, after being rejected by Olivia, Kat follows MC to basement & joins the MC-piggy scene.
However that doesn't work as Olivia waiting alone for them to finish fornicating doesn't make sense, and Olivia cannot leave as she has to leave with MC to transition into the next scene smoothly.

Only solution is to replace the lez scene with a non-sexual alternative to make time for the MC-piggy scene.

This kind of stuff is often done to cater to player preferences, but since it isn't there & the bisis variable wasn't used post chapter 5, I feel dev forgot or didn't care.
Wouldnt really work. That would mean that olivia and kasumi would have a long ass conversation while Kane is busy banging, which would be strange. It would mean that she put that scene in just for a porn opportunity which isnt tess's style from what I've seen so far.
 

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I absolutely love this game, but I really hope you can get to a point where you can really put the screws on the girls. I mean these women lied, abused, experimented on, assaulted, and tortured the protagonist AND his brother, and in essentially all scenarios we're expected to just put up with it and shut up (which makes sense given the MC's lack of status). Once there's the big reveal about how integral he is to everyone and HE discovers it, I hope that we're able to actually exert that power.

I certainly think it's going to be tricky for Tess to pull it off after writing these women as being in power the entire time, but I really do think the only way the endgame is going to feel like a pay-off is if we get the *possibility* to put them under our boot in more than one way. Just like they would tease, abuse or even torture depending on our responses, we should be able to make the choice of some of those on the Dom run. I only say this because I've seen too many games which have the protag go through a lot of shit, and then he just immediately forgets about it so he can spunk his load.
It's possible for the mc to turn the tables but this is still a femdom focused game. so things won't turn out too well for the mc and his brother in most scenarios. I'd be pleasantly surprised if they do tho. I agree that the endgame will be absolutely crucial to determine the overall quality of this game. There are simply too many variables and too many unanswered questions, the ultimate payoff has to be satisfactory on multiple fronts.
 

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It's possible for the mc to turn the tables but this is still a femdom focused game. so things won't turn out too well for the mc and his brother in most scenarios. I'd be pleasantly surprised if they do tho. I agree that the endgame will be absolutely crucial to determine the overall quality of this game. There are simply too many variables and too many unanswered questions, the ultimate payoff has to be satisfactory on multiple fronts.
Oh of course, I understand the intention, but I think the game is well done atm to the point where you can enjoy either path depending on your personal preferences. The only real issue I've found is the twists aren't particularly...twisty. Pretty predictable, very soap opera-esque, but that really doesn't matter so long as the game is enjoyable. I have no doubt the sub route will continue going well because I imagine it'll just depend on which person the protag ends up being under at the end of the day, but the dom route is gonna have to give the opportunity to screw over the people who've screwed with you, and in the varying degrees that are present in the game which make it so enjoyable.

I mean I can't think of a game with the changes in things like the K rankings or sponsors, there's some serious talent in juggling it all as well as they have so far. I've seen WAY too many good stories where they've clearly just shoved an ending in, they do a 180 to remove any loose ends, or just straight up don't finish. I'm definitely cautiously optimistic, but when you set up the protag as the single most important character in the entire game, you better give us the ability to use that.
 

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It's possible for the mc to turn the tables but this is still a femdom focused game. so things won't turn out too well for the mc and his brother in most scenarios. I'd be pleasantly surprised if they do tho. I agree that the endgame will be absolutely crucial to determine the overall quality of this game. There are simply too many variables and too many unanswered questions, the ultimate payoff has to be satisfactory on multiple fronts.
You have forgot a crucial element! MC is Callista's and Cole's son and those two parents are pretty much the founders of the two most powerful companies on the planet. So reasoning tells me he is the key in combining the companies into the only Mega Corp on the planet. Remember before Callista went into hiding she, Alex, Sister of Alex and what's her face Olivia's mum where the founders with essentially Alex as CEO but absolute power can lead to absolute corruption, so when Callista saw what was happening to him the company she helped build she formulated a plan with Cole's help (Remember she was a genius) and fled believing that one day when she returned not only would the two most powerful companies would be as one Mega Corp but it would be in the hands of the only two people that she trusted to do what is best not only for the company she helped build but for the rest of the planet and in doing so would hopefully complete the vision she and the three founders had before power corrupted them.
 

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Oh of course, I understand the intention, but I think the game is well done atm to the point where you can enjoy either path depending on your personal preferences. The only real issue I've found is the twists aren't particularly...twisty. Pretty predictable, very soap opera-esque, but that really doesn't matter so long as the game is enjoyable. I have no doubt the sub route will continue going well because I imagine it'll just depend on which person the protag ends up being under at the end of the day, but the dom route is gonna have to give the opportunity to screw over the people who've screwed with you, and in the varying degrees that are present in the game which make it so enjoyable.

I mean I can't think of a game with the changes in things like the K rankings or sponsors, there's some serious talent in juggling it all as well as they have so far. I've seen WAY too many good stories where they've clearly just shoved an ending in, they do a 180 to remove any loose ends, or just straight up don't finish. I'm definitely cautiously optimistic, but when you set up the protag as the single most important character in the entire game, you better give us the ability to use that.
You don't have to worry about the game's plot - Tess wrote KG's plot long before it started. Moreover, if memory serves me correctly, KG was based on barely 1/10 of the amount of text she wrote. We'll probably see the rest (if we're lucky and the stars align) in another Tess game, after KG is finished. So, as far as the story component is concerned, I'm calm. Yes, it is still unpredictable, but no 180 degree turns are expected. Tess has already written about it here, the plot is unchanged, only the filling of certain scenes and some fetishes can be discussed, but not the plot. So that leaves the technical part and the human element. The former is fine, the game is improving from chapter to chapter and getting prettier, but the human element is unpredictable, for example not so long ago Tess got sick, so the release of ch7 was delayed. So I wish her health and good luck. I think that's the most important thing.
 

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i mean main characters
I don't want to turn this discussion into a place where we all talk you into playing KG.) If you don't like something, you're better off walking past it and I wouldn't recommend fast forward her part of the story, you might lose a lot and miss some of the global plot. However, if it helps in any way, I have to say that you shouldn't take Olivia as a full-fledged MC (imho). I don't know how much content with Olivia is in the sub route (I didn't go through it), but on the Dom track Olivia under your control will make some important decisions affecting many events, and you also get some scenes with her. But actually, in fact, 80-90% (% I could be slightly wrong, but not the point) of the game time is devoted to the main MC, the male Kane, and it is with him that you will associate the game playthrough of KG. Yes, "sister" Olivia is important to the story, but not as important as Kane and given the time allotted to her, I would call her an "auxiliary MC" where you are given the opportunity to influence your future relationship, however, Kane always has the last word because he is the main one.
 
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