VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.2 Test] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[Silver_Crow117]

This rear part of the body, also known as the buttocks-bootie-derriere-rump-cheeks-hams-caboose shown in the main banner belongs to Dominique? I can't remember .

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Tbh Dominique doesn’t have the greatest (Ass)ets… even Juliette (middle) and Mercy (right) and her sisters beat her out

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I guess she’s more visually appealing tho…

 

[Stan5851]

Tbh Dominique doesn’t have the greatest (Ass)ets… even Juliette (middle) and Mercy (right) and her sisters beat her out

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I guess she’s more visually appealing tho…

Our girls are better..

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Not to mention Veronica's royal ass...

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[MZy321]

Is there a Kane path just for Olivia? I’d like to focus only on her, but there are so many choices in the game that I get confused.

 

[Stan5851]

And how could I forget to mention the best ass in the game! Shame on me! Of course, our lovely Olivia wins!

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[Stan5851]

Is there a Kane path just for Olivia? I’d like to focus only on her, but there are so many choices in the game that I get confused.

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[MZy321]

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Man, thank you so much! You cleared up a lot of doubts I had, and now it’s easier to make decisions.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

If [Slave] >=3, then [K4]

Yes you can. Again, they are not mutually exclusive.

There is one choice (to help build him up) in Ep2. This gives +1 Slave (before this choice you can get to -1 Slave btw). So we are at 0. No questions for Pat gives -1 Slave, so we are back to -1. Not signalling Pat (if took her deal) does nothing. Next is the ball test. Top answer does nothing, second answer awards +1 slave. So again, still at -1.

End up -1 Slave, you have helped and been good to Zach, you have not not screwed him over with Pat and you finish at K6 (other early choices dependant).

Mav is making me do homework over here, but if I must defend my statements, so be it. PS: I hope your helmet shrinks. >:O

Since we're not screwing over Zach, we're turning down Pat's deal and making sure he's well-fed so the food gets shared among 20 prisoners.

First point is legit screwing over jake by keeping information to himself, would canon Kane do that? Doubtful, but for the sake of argument, we're talking Zach and only Zach; let's go yes, so 0.
The next point is encouraging Zach, so we're currently at 1
The next point is answering Pat, which would be 0 since it benefits no one to antagonize Pat, and Kane isn't a sub. So, still at 1.
Since Kane fed the 20 prisoners, the next point is 2 or 3, so he's at 3 or 4. Game over. Don't pass; go, and don't collect two hundred dollars.
During this run-through, I kept everything dominant.

So whether it's keeping all the food to myself, keeping the information to myself, or just ignoring Zach, the player is required to screw over Zach to get to k5 or k6. There is no way around it. Dom or sub doesn't matter; sub just gives you up to 3 more meaningless points.

 

[Sharpshooter890]

Mav is making me do homework over here, but if I must defend my statements, so be it. PS: I hope your helmet shrinks. >:O

Since we're not screwing over Zach, we're turning down Pat's deal and making sure he's well-fed so the food gets shared among 20 prisoners.

First point is legit screwing over jake by keeping information to himself, would canon Kane do that? Doubtful, but for the sake of argument, we're talking Zach and only Zach; let's go yes, so 0.
The next point is encouraging Zach, so we're currently at 1
The next point is answering Pat, which would be 0 since it benefits no one to antagonize Pat, and Kane isn't a sub. So, still at 1.
Since Kane fed the 20 prisoners, the next point is 2 or 3, so he's at 3 or 4. Game over. Don't pass; go, and don't collect two hundred dollars.
During this run-through, I kept everything dominant.

So whether it's keeping all the food to myself, keeping the information to myself, or just ignoring Zach, the player is required to screw over Zach to get to k5 or k6. There is no way around it. Dom or sub doesn't matter; sub just gives you up to 3 more meaningless points.

I'm on Mav's side on this one.

- Accepting Pat's deal has nothing to do with Zach or Jake, it only improves your chances without negatively affecting theirs, so you should always do that if you aim for K5/K6.
- You should equally keep the food to yourself, since if you share it with nebulous 'prisoners' you only gimp yourself, Jake and Zach stay as they are. Their results are static (unless you give food to Jake, then he wins, but we talk about Zach).
- You don't have to belittle Zach or rat him to Patricia to win as long as you accepted the deal and ate the food, so no Evil/Slave points there.
- Don't tell Jake about the hacker, because why would you? It doesn't concern him.

At the end you end up with -1 or 0 Slave points. We don't need to 'screw Zach' to get to K6, only to be neutral to him.

As for 'canon' Kane, I've already elaborated why there can be no such thing. Same for Olivia.

 

[rai1230]

I was talking about the first comment that was made.

As for Callista, she literally couldve used the dekocks to protect Kane, but she didn't, she chose to sacrifice Kane to the alter of Alexander.

Honestly we've all been mistaken as to what would land Kane in K4 and affect his future in the game. We've been arguing dominant, submissive. However, none of that mattered, all thats about is Kane's sexual kinks. What lands Kane in 4 is whether or not he's willing to bully Zach which considering that he just went to jail for protecting his brother from a bully would make Kane a bit of a hypocrite.
So if we're going canon, Kanes already set up to be k4 before he even leaves the prison. So if Callista put him in the game knowing the rules and knowing how kane will react given his relationship with Zach, she absolutely set him up for failure and if she didnt know the rules, shes an idiot for putting her son in such a dangerous game with unknown variables.

i agree also she really doesn't seam to care about him even after she speaks with Olivia's mom she dose not tell her to protect him also Olivia's mom (forgot her name) even though she is evil she was ready to burn the world to protect her daughter and even was angry at Callista for hiding her daughter but Callista dose not care the her best friend is treating her son as a toilet the fact that she still uses Kane as a slave speaks volume about how not good of a mother Callista is the only one that actually care about Kane is his half sister.
veronica is also wired how she behave around Kane

 

[rai1230]

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Kinda glad Tess gave us the option on going with Elena if we don’t want to go the Olivia route

is this in the game already or its coming in the update?

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

I'm on Mav's side on this one.

- Accepting Pat's deal has nothing to do with Zach or Jake, it only improves your chances without negatively affecting theirs, so you should always do that if you aim for K5/K6.
- You should equally keep the food to yourself, since if you share it with nebulous 'prisoners' you only gimp yourself, Jake and Zach stay as they are. Their results are static (unless you give food to Jake, then he wins, but we talk about Zach).
- You don't have to belittle Zach or rat him to Patricia to win as long as you accepted the deal and ate the food, so no Evil/Slave points there.
- Don't tell Jake about the hacker, because why would you? It doesn't concern him.

At the end you end up with -1 or 0 Slave points. We don't need to 'screw Zach' to get to K6, only to be neutral to him.

As for 'canon' Kane, I've already elaborated why there can be no such thing. Same for Olivia.

But accepting the deal has everything to do with Zach and Jake since, according to her deal, you're not allowed to help Zach or Jake, and you're even required not only to point out that Zach is failing but you're also required to scare the shit out of the other two by faking pain from pats love tap.
I've kept the information about the game to myself in the above experiment, though that means not helping Jake.
Though it's not explicitly said, you're taking food from Zach by being a selfish eater. Don't imagine Zach's not among the 20 prisoners who would get extra food, hence the extra points for either jogging or walking during the test.

 

[Stan5851]

I'm on Mav's side on this one.

- Accepting Pat's deal has nothing to do with Zach or Jake, it only improves your chances without negatively affecting theirs, so you should always do that if you aim for K5/K6.
- You should equally keep the food to yourself, since if you share it with nebulous 'prisoners' you only gimp yourself, Jake and Zach stay as they are. Their results are static (unless you give food to Jake, then he wins, but we talk about Zach).
- You don't have to belittle Zach or rat him to Patricia to win as long as you accepted the deal and ate the food, so no Evil/Slave points there.
- Don't tell Jake about the hacker, because why would you? It doesn't concern him.

At the end you end up with -1 or 0 Slave points. We don't need to 'screw Zach' to get to K6, only to be neutral to him.

As for 'canon' Kane, I've already elaborated why there can be no such thing. Same for Olivia.

I agree, except for the statement about canon. And here I stand by my convictions. Every human personality is formed and laid down from early childhood. Our Kane can only be a "blank" slate if we start playing a regular game as a character who has no past (let's say he lost his memory or the developer decided to skirt the issue by making things easier on himself). But in the case of KG it's not so, and as we go through the game we get to know a lot of important moments, which will make it easy to understand what this guy is. So, imo, Kane is a pretty assertive guy by nature, not inclined to be submissive.

And then we take control, and it's up to us whether Kane continues to be himself (the conventional dominant) or whether we let him turn into a pervert who revels in his submissiveness and refuses to take responsibility, willingly putting himself in the hands of a sadistic bitches.

 

[Sharpshooter890]

But accepting the deal has everything to do with Zach and Jake since, according to her deal, you're not allowed to help Zach or Jake, and you're even required not only to point out that Zach is failing but you're also required to scare the shit out of the other two by faking pain from pats love tap.

She decides to help you out because you're an assertive guy and she likes you. Even if you did promise her to bring others down as part of the deal, you don't have to do it. You gaining an advantage doesn't nessesarily mean that the others are doomed to fail, they have a chance to do well too. It's not your fault they are weak.
As for showing your acting chops - it only affects you, the player, not the others. Now, if Jake and Zach got, say, +2 Slave points as a result of that choice while you got 0 or -1, that would be a different story, but that's not in the game, so the optimal option becomes an easy choice with no negative consequences.

I agree, except for the statement about canon. And here I stand by my convictions. Every human personality is formed and laid down from early childhood. Our Kane can only be a "blank" slate if we start playing a regular game as a character who has no past (let's say he lost his memory or the developer decided to skirt the issue by making things easier on himself). But in the case of KG it's not so, and as we go through the game we get to know a lot of important moments, which will make it easy to understand what this guy is. So, imo, Kane is a pretty assertive guy by nature, not inclined to be submissive.

And then we take control, and it's up to us whether Kane continues to be himself (the conventional dominant) or whether we let him turn into a pervert who revels in his submissiveness and refuses to take responsibility, willingly putting himself in the hands of a sadistic bitches.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree on that one.

As for who's pervert and who's not - I prefer not to judge other people's kinks. Whatever rocks you boat, as long as it's kept private and doesn't hurt others.

 

[Popata20]

i agree also she really doesn't seam to care about him even after she speaks with Olivia's mom she dose not tell her to protect him also Olivia's mom (forgot her name) even though she is evil she was ready to burn the world to protect her daughter and even was angry at Callista for hiding her daughter but Callista dose not care the her best friend is treating her son as a toilet the fact that she still uses Kane as a slave speaks volume about how not good of a mother Callista is the only one that actually care about Kane is his half sister.
veronica is also wired how she behave around Kane

I totally agree, only Nadia (who is a sadistic bitch by the way) loves and supports Kane without interest (at least it seems).
Callista blindly follows Alexander's plan (although she could have counter blackmailed Alexander like Veronica did with the shock chips) and finally she really doesn't require Elena to treat Kane as a person not as slave (during their aforomentioned conversation)

 

[Dark Quean Olivia]

And how could I forget to mention the best ass in the game! Shame on me! Of course, our lovely Olivia wins!

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Finally someone with some sense around here

 

[Silver_Crow117]

Our girls are better..

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Not to mention Veronica's royal ass...

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Had to come back and show some ass… and ofc Veronica top tier!… Lots of ass spoilers!!

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And the Trio!

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Spoiler: Dominique and Juliette double buttle

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[Maviarab]

Jake, and you're even required not only to point out that Zach is failing but you're also required to scare the shit out of the other two by faking pain from pats love tap.

Even if you did promise her to bring others down as part of the deal, you don't have to do it. You gaining an advantage doesn't nessesarily mean that the others are doomed to fail, they have a chance to do well too.

This. Benefiting yourself is not screwing over Zach. And you specifically mentioned Zach. As did I. Remember who you're discussing this with

Giving the food away helps literally no one except Jake (if take Jakes option). Even a concious good guy Kane would not intentionally fuck himself over. Sorry, but that is definitely not protrayed in his character ever, anywhere...except towards his friends.

So sorry Miles, you're wrong on this one. You're intentionally making stupid choices to try and a prove a point I already proved does not exist. Remember, it was you who stated, you have to screw Zach over to not hit K4. This is plain wrong. As SS also stated above, you can take Pat's deal (because in all that is holy in God's name, why would anyone NOT do that in that situation, even if you're a straight up AAA guy...), and still then not do what she wants. As I explicitly stated, you can take the second option for 1 slave point instead of the top choice in the ball test and you can fail to signal Pat about Zach 'breaking' for no cost to yourself and at no cost to Zach either. In that scene, you cannot help Zach...at all...only not fuck him over (which is why doing so gives evil points).

I'll say it again, there is only one choice where you actually, specifically...'help' him...and it gives +1 slave point. Helping yourself at times is not hindering anyone else. You seem to believe it is when the VN does not purport that view. One could argue....the only 'logical' choice for a good guy Kane is giving Jake the food, especially if it's your first time through the game. Even doing this will not put you on the sub path.

So, iirc, you can help him, give jake the food and then take the second choice in the ball test...and still not hit K4 and be a good conscionable guy in the process, as (I agree) is Kane's general nature however, I think again, you're leaning into something that does not exist to try and prove your point. Many of my friends/people who have met me would consiuder me a 'good guy' who helps people out (especially my damn neighbours). Complete strangers? Sorry, but like I would guesstimate at over 90% of the population, why should I give a crap about them, people I don't know, won't meet and in a prison siutation, becomes a them or me situation?

You don't owe them anything and prison? One of the first rules, keep your head down, don't get involved...called self-preservation. You're giving Kane far too much creedance and credit there I'm afraid. Liken it to politics Miles, I don't give a fuck about the rest of the country when I vote, only what will benefit me and those close to me.

Cold and black hearted maybe? Well I am the Dark Lord of the Schwartz....I really don't see (personally) even a good guy Kane being much different to be honest, especially given the context of the world he has grown up in. Sure, help those less fortunate, sure feel bad for them, but (and we're in prison remember...screwed over ourselves)....

When push comes to shove...even a good guy will not intentionally throw themselves under the bus. So again, to sum up, yes, you can be nice to Zach, help him, not screw him over and still look out for yourself and not hit the sub path.

(Edits formatting and grammar).

 

[PickerLewd]

Finally someone with some sense around here

It was my idea to talk about asses to change the subject of the thread, but it didn't last long .

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

This. Benefiting yourself is not screwing over Zach. And you specifically mentioned Zach. As did I. Remember who you're discussing this with

Giving the food away helps literally no one except Jake (if take Jakes option). Even a concious good guy Kane would not intentionally fuck himself over. Sorry, but that is definitely not protrayed in his character ever, anywhere...except towards his friends.

So sorry Miles, you're wrong on this one. You're intentionally making stupid choices to try and a prove a point I already proved does not exist. Remember, it was you who stated, you have to screw Zach over to not hit K4. This is plain wrong. As SS also stated above, you can take Pat's deal (because in all that is holy in God's name, why would anyone NOT do that in that situation, even if you're a straight up AAA guy...), and still then not do what she wants. As I explicitly stated, you can take the second option for 1 slave point instead of the top choice in the ball test and you can fail to signal Pat about Zach 'breaking' for no cost to yourself and at no cost to Zach either. In that scene, you cannot help Zach...at all...only not fuck him over (which is why doing so gives evil points).

I'll say it again, there is only one choice where you actually, specifically...'help' him...and it gives +1 slave point. Helping yourself at times is not hindering anyone else. You seem to believe it is when the VN does not purport that view. One could argue....the only 'logical' choice for a good guy Kane is giving Jake the food, especially if it's your first time through the game. Even doing this will not put you on the sub path.

So, iirc, you can help him, give jake the food and then take the second choice in the ball test...and still not hit K4 and be a good conscionable guy in the process, as (I agree) is Kane's general nature however, I think again, you're leaning into something that does not exist to try and prove your point. Many of my friends/people who have met me would consiuder me a 'good guy' who helps people out (especially my damn neighbours). Complete strangers? Sorry, but like I would guesstimate at over 90% of the population, why should I give a crap about them, people I don't know, won't meet and in a prison siutation, becomes a them or me situation?

You don't owe them anything and prison? One of the first rules, keep your head down, don't get involved...called self-preservation. You're giving Kane far too much creedance and credit there I'm afraid. Liken it to politics Miles, I don't give a fuck about the rest of the country when I vote, only what will benefit me and those close to me.

Cold and black hearted maybe? Well I am the Dark Lord of the Schwartz....I really don't see (personally) even a good guy Kane being much different to be honest, especially given the context of the world he has grown up in. Sure, help those less fortunate, sure feel bad for them, but (and we're in prison remember...screwed over ourselves)....

When push comes to shove...even a good guy will not intentionally throw themselves under the bus. So again, to sum up, yes, you can be nice to Zach, help him, not screw him over and still look out for yourself and not hit the sub path.

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I also said "or ignore what's happening to him." Taking Pat's deal would require you to ignore what's happening to him.
If Zach can run better, the implication would be he's one of the 20 getting food.
Honestly, we can argue what actions benefit Zach and what don't. But ultimately, K4 comes down to how much Zach likes him. So, to avoid the hangup on that issue, let's just say the difference between K4 and K6 comes down to how evil you're willing to be at that point.
How dominant or submissive Kane is doesn't really matter.

 

[Maviarab]

She didn't raise him to let someone like Zach be bullied, and if Kane doesn't do that, he's doomed to K4

Your original quote....

aking Pat's deal would require you to ignore what's happening to him.

Now you're moving the goalposts slightly....how are you ignoring what's happening to him?

How dominant or submissive Kane is doesn't really matter.

I never once mentioned sub or dom because it does not affect you're ranking all that much compared to the slave points. The two are not terribly tied together. You cannot stop Zach being bullied, except in one situation which does not affect you in the slightest (point wise) and does actually help Zach.