MagicMan753

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Isn't he related to Claudia and Celeste? That would mean he grew up with a silver golden spoon up his ass, not wanting for anything. You know what, I feel even less sympathy for that sad excuse of a human, if you can even call him that. Fuck him, spoiled little bitch got exactly what he deserved.

All power to the Soviets!
He is not related to them, he was just in the academy with them, where Celeste and friends made his life hell.

Also it would be full incest if they were related with what they have been doing with Zach, and Tess won't do actual incest. The only type of incest will be Olivia, where they will still be saying brother and sister probably a little, but they aren't actually related by blood.
 
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MilesEdgeworth

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yea Zach and Delilah's parental sitch throw me off. Incest pretty much eliminates the obvious answer for both of them yet there's little to no hints on that front from anything else in the game
 

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Isn't he related to Claudia and Celeste? That would mean he grew up with a silver golden spoon up his ass, not wanting for anything. You know what, I feel even less sympathy for that sad excuse of a human, if you can even call him that. Fuck him, spoiled little bitch got exactly what he deserved.

All power to the Soviets!
Correct. Not confirmed (why grey in my character sheet) if he is Harry's or his brothers son. But he is related yes.
Found one of the mentions in part 1… Also, There’s some discussion of Zach being Harry’s Son but nothing is confirmed… View attachment 4307562
Yeah I recall now but again, as said previously, may as well blame Olivia for it. Hell...in fact blame may as well just blame Callista for it, if she never left the Karlsson group and Alexander, Kane would never have met Jake in the first place would he? Hahahaha...I'm being pedantic I know..and yes, in reality, Jake is there by association...but we can hardly blame Kane for it can we.

(plus..one cana argue, much like Zach....Jake only has himself to blame for being in his current position. Took the same test as Kane, his dumb ass attitude and incompetence keeps him as a sub.

(and yes, I will also have saves as Dom and Sub where keep both of the useless idiots alive...just to see how the story plays out. They both going down in pretty much every other run though hahahaha).
 

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Correct. Not confirmed (why grey in my character sheet) if he is Harry's or his brothers son. But he is related yes.

Yeah I recall now but again, as said previously, may as well blame Olivia for it. Hell...in fact blame may as well just blame Callista for it, if she never left the Karlsson group and Alexander, Kane would never have met Jake in the first place would he? Hahahaha...I'm being pedantic I know..and yes, in reality, Jake is there by association...but we can hardly blame Kane for it can we.

(plus..one cana argue, much like Zach....Jake only has himself to blame for being in his current position. Took the same test as Kane, his dumb ass attitude and incompetence keeps him as a sub.

(and yes, I will also have saves as Dom and Sub where keep both of the useless idiots alive...just to see how the story plays out. They both going down in pretty much every other run though hahahaha).
Yeah its pretty much sums up to a bunch of “What Ifs” at the point of who’s to blame when it comes to why Jake is in there…

I will agree that it’s mostly their fault on where there at right now, more on Jake’s side because he hasn’t been as traumatized as much as Zach to an extent of the situation their in… They’re both in K3 I believe so.. it will be interesting to see all the branching within Kanes pod during the gameshow.. Especially with Juliette wanting Jake and Zach dead or at k1 by the end of it to earn sub Kane the lvl of k5+ (And be her personal favorite slave), probably other characters wanting to make deals with only Kane, Kane being good or evil, and then Kane himself being a friend of Jake or not…

AND AT LEAST YOUR SAVING THEM IN ONE PLAYTHROUGH!
 
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To go way off-topic to the current conversation...while it's in my head and your post chain-reactioned my thoughts....

I think you hit the nail on the head with saying crawling around on the floor. I was actually thinking about this earlier (because yes, the plot and mysteries of KG really do occupy my mind at times hehe, especially when having a coffee and a cig in my garage...my meditation and thinking time in a way).

The old Dom/Sub debate...is it really when we break things down? Again, we both have a very clear and defined image of our Kane which often conflict with others views. Now, is Kane submissive? In my opinion, based on everything we actually see, no he isn't. Not even on the sub path. Now I can see Silver's temples bulging thinking wtf is Mavi on about now lol. Let me break it down:

DomKane isn't dominant in the slightest really, a coupkle of flashes from EP7 onwards in a couple of lewd scenes. Sure, at times he may not take any flak and stick up for himself when he thinks he can...but to me, that's just normal behaviour (if you're not....I'll come back to this in a moment). Throughout the VN, the 'dom' choices are not really dominant...more how to say, assertive would perhaps be the right word. Now, SubKane...is he really submissive? Does he (not the player...Kane) actually enjoy what is happening to him? Sorry folks, but the answer to that question is a resounding no. Why? Because nothing is consensual, he's a slave, he has no choice in the matter. He is treated like literal utter garbage. Submissive 'by nature'? Perhaps...however....

Would a 'submissve by nature' person get into a fight to defend their brother? In my experience, the answer to that is also a resounding no. What did Kane do? He put the guy on his ass. Well done Kane, being assertive, dominant, taking control of a situation. That to me is proof alone of Kane's true 'nature' and what we see of him in flashbacks. He is not some trembling natural submissive not wanting to get involved and just letting shit happen around and to him.

To backtrack though, Dom/Sub...femdom...none of it actually...really exists when you truly think about what happens and what we see. DomKane is not really dominant, neither in nature or sexually (though as said, there's hints of it appearing). SubKane is not submissive at all for me, everything is forced on him and from what I can recall, there are no ocassions where he is liking, enjoying or getting any pleasure from the attrocious behaviour he is subjected to. So, does SubKane actually exist? Is there really any femdom, as like with D/s...femdom requires a lot of trust and more importantly, be willing subjected to whatever your Mistress/Master wants of you...

To me, there is only one true 'SubKane'....and that's the SecretSub route Kane.

Nothing on the actual sub route really constitutes femdom in my mind...and nothing is consensual. Now, if one is a slave, no voice, no opinion...can it then even be called femdom? Plenty of sadism abound for sure, but....

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Now I'm sure that puts me into the catagory of being a...what was it again...oh yes...a conceited know it all...oh well *shrugs* ;)
 

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To go way off-topic to the current conversation...while it's in my head and your post chain-reactioned my thoughts....

I think you hit the nail on the head with saying crawling around on the floor. I was actually thinking about this earlier (because yes, the plot and mysteries of KG really do occupy my mind at times hehe, especially when having a coffee and a cig in my garage...my meditation and thinking time in a way).

The old Dom/Sub debate...is it really when we break things down? Again, we both have a very clear and defined image of our Kane which often conflict with others views. Now, is Kane submissive? In my opinion, based on everything we actually see, no he isn't. Not even on the sub path. Now I can see Silver's temples bulging thinking wtf is Mavi on about now lol. Let me break it down:

DomKane isn't dominant in the slightest really, a coupkle of flashes from EP7 onwards in a couple of lewd scenes. Sure, at times he may not take any flak and stick up for himself when he thinks he can...but to me, that's just normal behaviour (if you're not....I'll come back to this in a moment). Throughout the VN, the 'dom' choices are not really dominant...more how to say, assertive would perhaps be the right word. Now, SubKane...is he really submissive? Does he (not the player...Kane) actually enjoy what is happening to him? Sorry folks, but the answer to that question is a resounding no. Why? Because nothing is consensual, he's a slave, he has no choice in the matter. He is treated like literal utter garbage. Submissive 'by nature'? Perhaps...however....

Would a 'submissve by nature' person get into a fight to defend their brother? In my experience, the answer to that is also a resounding no. What did Kane do? He put the guy on his ass. Well done Kane, being assertive, dominant, taking control of a situation. That to me is proof alone of Kane's true 'nature' and what we see of him in flashbacks. He is not some trembling natural submissive not wanting to get involved and just letting shit happen around and to him.

To backtrack though, Dom/Sub...femdom...none of it actually...really exists when you truly think about what happens and what we see. DomKane is not really dominant, neither in nature or sexually (though as said, there's hints of it appearing). SubKane is not submissive at all for me, everything is forced on him and from what I can recall, there are no ocassions where he is liking, enjoying or getting any pleasure from the attrocious behaviour he is subjected to. So, does SubKane actually exist? Is there really any femdom, as like with D/s...femdom requires a lot of trust and more importantly, be willing subjected to whatever your Mistress/Master wants of you...

To me, there is only one true 'SubKane'....and that's the SecretSub route Kane.

Nothing on the actual sub route really constitutes femdom in my mind...and nothing is consensual. Now, if one is a slave, no voice, no opinion...can it then even be called femdom? Plenty of sadism abound for sure, but....

________
Now I'm sure that puts me into the catagory of being a...what was it again...oh yes...a conceited know it all...oh well *shrugs* ;)
I have to admit, I'm impressed by your post. But let's take it one step at a time. That Kane's dominance (except for some of the scenes you mentioned) isn't pure dominance and he looks like a confident and assertive partner so far, I agree, we discussed this long ago and came to a consensus...And we'll see more pronounced dominance as Kane continues to gain momentum. There's no objection to Kane's true identity, that's my position too.

But what you wrote about femdom in this game, I have to admit, surprised me a lot. I mean, as a person who plays the Dom route, I naively thought that the sub route should a priori assume that the Kane character (not the player) must like everything that happens to him, otherwise what's the point of it all? Plus, the character KaneDom likes all the sexual experiences he gets on his route, so why should it be any different for KaneSub?

But from what you say, it appears that sub Kane is having it all forced on him and what's more, he doesn't even like it! You're right, then it doesn't sound like femdom at all, where as in any power exchange roleplay there has to be trust between the participants, not to mention the basic principle of consensual and safety. Well, then it's even sadder than I thought.
 
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MilesEdgeworth

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OK if Zach isn't getting banged by celeste and or claudia in sub why were people implying incest?

Back to my original theory that he's the son and claudia is likely putting him in the program to remove him thus removing the last remaining male heir or something like that.

(plus..one can argue, much like Zach....Jake only has himself to blame for being in his current position. Took the same test as Kane, his dumb ass attitude and incompetence keeps him as a sub.
Id argue neither Zach nor Jake are to blame for their current positions. Jake was framed and offered a way out in a game where there's a small chance of advancement ( there's a 5 percent advancement rate for this group if Kane makes k6), Zach is in trouble for the crimes of his father (or uncle if that's the theory). I doubt either could've done anything different. I won't put Jake on Kane but the Karlsson corp is def fucked up.

It does make one wonder how Alexander managed to stay on top in a company with so many female shark executives who hated him. Because every other male in power in this game is either overthrown or dead.
 
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MagicMan753

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It is real tiring watching all these dom players trying to push dom kane as canon and saying sub kane isn't his personality...so on and so on.

It is ok to have your preference, it is ok to have your opinions, but when you try to say something like Kane only has one true sub path, he is assertive by nature, etc. It is dumb and you need to stop trying to push something as a canon path or canon Kane, when both are canon both are his personalities, otherwise Tess wouldn't of created two paths.

Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk, you dom players can try to respond and talk about whatever you want, but if you are that closed minded, you aren't worth my time.
 
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Does he (not the player...Kane) actually enjoy what is happening to him? Sorry folks, but the answer to that question is a resounding no. Why? Because nothing is consensual, he's a slave, he has no choice in the matter. He is treated like literal utter garbage.
What? and I suspected as much, but I thought :unsure:......

knock-knock-knock-knock Oh! somebody knocking on the door.

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EVERYTHING is acted and consensual in a super production, hahaha :ROFLMAO: similar to "Photo Hunt", for a moment I almost fell for it.

Hey! Someone calls me, I come right back.

sound of footsteps running out.
 

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What? and I suspected as much, but I thought :unsure:......

knock-knock-knock-knock Oh! somebody knocking on the door.

View attachment 4309823

EVERYTHING is acted and consensual in a super production, hahaha :ROFLMAO: similar to "Photo Hunt", for a moment I almost fell for it.

Hey! Someone calls me, I come right back.

sound of footsteps running out.
What's this all about, PickerLewd ? We're not talking about formally agreeing to something just so Patreon can't pick on the game, we're talking about the gameplay itself. And yes, if anything, I have no problem even with games that are banned on Patreon that have non-consensual sex in them...

But answer me this: if Maviarab is right (and he is) and KaneSub (the character, not the player) doesn't like being treated like worthless garbage and as a slave without a voice and opinion, then what's the point of calling it sub/femdom, which, like any form of BDSM, implies certain obligations of the participants to each other? Well then, let's be honest and call the "sub route" the "slavery route", wouldn't that be more correct?
 

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When you have nothing substantive to argue, you post a random picture. Silver, it doesn't work that way.
I’m not arguing for anything… I’m joking around…
Chill
Your not changing my mind and I’m not changing yours I’m not gonna do this back and forth about what’s canon, what’s sub/dom means, it’s just an echo chambered argument at this point…
 
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It is real tiring watching all these dom players trying to push dom kane as canon and saying sub kane isn't his personality...so on and so on.

It is ok to have your preference, it is ok to have your opinions, but when you try to say something like Kane only has one true sub path, he is assertive by nature, etc. It is dumb and you need to stop trying to push something as a canon path or canon Kane, when both are canon both are his personalities, otherwise Tess wouldn't of created two paths.

Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk, you dom players can try to respond and talk about whatever you want, but if you are that colsed minded, you aren't worth my time.
Facts man, Facts
 
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yea all sub and dom is , comes down to the players sexual kink. Its just connected to negative activities in the game which is why people see it as negative.
Honestly at this point, I hope everyone enjoys this game to their fullest, bout to catch some Zzzs but hopefully we can return to fruitful discussions that don’t involve bashing one side or the other :)
 
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