VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.2 Test] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[gregers]

On another note, what is Seth's origins exactly? Olivia has both parents confirmed & Kane his mother. But is either of Seths parents confirmed or speculated on?? What's his role in the gambit? Who is he??

I assume callista has to be his mother since the kids would definitely see her be pregnant. I imagine his father is likely a civilian. His biggest role in the gambit has probably already happened. I believe Callista gave up Kane in exchange for the karlssons healing Seth. Could also be a kane backup if Kane is killed but thats about it methinks

Yeah, there's been nothing explicitly stated in the game so far that I've seen, but like Miles says, if Callista escaped while pregnant with Kane and if Cole was then imprisoned in retribution for her escape and if Olivia and Kane are about the same age and Seth slightly younger, then presumably O&K would have seen Callista's pregnancy and the father would have to be someone other than Cole.

By that logic, Seth would be the son of Callista and Some Dude Unknown and a child by him and one of the Karlsson sisters would seem to satisfy the terms of the gambit (unless there are further conditions not yet revealed), making him a viable Plan B should Kane meet with a regrettable accident.

 

[motseer]

Yeah, there's been nothing explicitly stated in the game so far that I've seen, but like Miles says, if Callista escaped while pregnant with Kane and if Cole was then imprisoned in retribution for her escape and if Olivia and Kane are about the same age and Seth slightly younger, then presumably O&K would have seen Callista's pregnancy and the father would have to be someone other than Cole.

By that logic, Seth would be the son of Callista and Some Dude Unknown and a child by him and one of the Karlsson sisters would seem to satisfy the terms of the gambit (unless there are further conditions not yet revealed), making him a viable Plan B should Kane meet with a regrettable accident.

Man, that's some sick reasoning...but it gave me a ferocious headache...

 

[vogelbeest]

Seth seems to be important for research to find a cure for his disease, so it is strange that the Karlson Group just watched him over the years and did not start tests with him earlier? It is also strange how carelessly he is treated by some of the girls ... loosing Seth as a unique part of the research would be bad for the project, so why risking to loose him just to have some fun?

It did not have the impression the Karlson company did much for the better of humanity... If one of the Karlson sister didn't have the same disease as Seth, i seriously doubt any effort was made to find a cure.

 

[f96zonetrooper]

It did not have the impression the Karlson company did much for the better of humanity... If one of the Karlson sister didn't have the same disease as Seth, i seriously doubt any effort was made to find a cure.

Did you try to get Dominique as sponsor?
Even Veronica would value a sick Seth for research since sience and research are her main occupation.

 

[tarsgrim]

Did you try to get Dominique as sponsor?
Even Veronica would value a sick Seth for research since sience and research are her main occupation.

But I don't want Veronica as my enemy under any circumstances. The meeting between Yvette, Elena and Veronica makes it clear to me that it is undoubtedly the most dangerous by far

 

[gregers]

It did not have the impression the Karlson company did much for the better of humanity... If one of the Karlson sister didn't have the same disease as Seth, i seriously doubt any effort was made to find a cure.

That (i.e. using her research on him to cure Astrid) certainly seems to be Veronica's primary motivation according to her conversation with Olivia.

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[HeartBreakerGaming]

so from what i know there is 2 morality routes and 3 kink routes. Which characters are locked to only 1 or 2 routes? For example are there any characters you can only get by being good or evil? or are there characters you can only get if you chose the dom route or the sub route? If so who is locked to which route?

 

[Cirelc]

so from what i know there is 2 morality routes and 3 kink routes. Which characters are locked to only 1 or 2 routes? For example are there any characters you can only get by being good or evil? or are there characters you can only get if you chose the dom route or the sub route? If so who is locked to which route?

Well it was planned to give us an overview ui, but we never got it. Im not sure if the last overview from here, which is pretty old, is still up to date. https://f95zone.to/threads/karlssons-gambit-v0-7b-final-grym-gudinna-games.50840/post-6521558

Junko, for example you can get also as Slave on the Evil Dom Path:
If you are on the Katsumi Romance Path (Katsumi Flames).

I can't help you with the sub routes, because i don't play them.

 

[Leo Humilis]

so from what i know there is 2 morality routes and 3 kink routes. Which characters are locked to only 1 or 2 routes? For example are there any characters you can only get by being good or evil? or are there characters you can only get if you chose the dom route or the sub route? If so who is locked to which route?

Well, AFAICT, you cannot make any substantial progress with Juliette, unless MMC is sufficiently evil. There are also a few minor characters that only seem to appear on either dom or sub path, but not on both so far. But most major characters do not seem to be locked to any specific path.

 

[Yotanbamix]

HeartBreakerGaming I would also add that it depends on what kind of relationship you want with a character. For example, if you want a romance route with Juliette, you have to be Dom/Evil. But you can probably have some kind of Juliette ending even if you're a sub too (it won't be romance though, maybe she would kill you too ).

 

[Leo Humilis]

it won't be romance though, maybe she would kill you too

Yeah, sounds like the good ole Juliette

 

[Remembrance]

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The Physics of this intrigue me

MC's father is also known. (think you get more info on subpath, but even on dom path it's pointing to Cynthia DeKocks brother)

That's circumstancial & very leading (the scene on the pier - the guy could be not the father, not Cole, not a DeKock, etc)
I think Cole & Callista being the parents was directly mentioned somewhere, but never specified if Cole is a DeKocK
Basically, it's still kinda up for grabs compared to Olivia.

I assume callista has to be his mother since the kids would definitely see her be pregnant. I imagine his father is likely a civilian. His biggest role in the gambit has probably already happened. I believe Callista gave up Kane in exchange for the karlssons healing Seth. Could also be a kane backup if Kane is killed but thats about it methinks

We see Cole pick the name for Kane, so we assume that Cole is the biological father ... what if Cole is just the father in mind and Calista instead was impregnated with enhanced genetical materials as part of a secret genetics program to save humanity? Seth seems to be important for research to find a cure for his disease, so it is strange that the Karlson Group just watched him over the years and did not start tests with him earlier? It is also strange how carelessly he is treated by some of the girls ... loosing Seth as a unique part of the research would be bad for the project, so why risking to loose him just to have some fun?

Yeah, there's been nothing explicitly stated in the game so far that I've seen, but like Miles says, if Callista escaped while pregnant with Kane and if Cole was then imprisoned in retribution for her escape and if Olivia and Kane are about the same age and Seth slightly younger, then presumably O&K would have seen Callista's pregnancy and the father would have to be someone other than Cole.

By that logic, Seth would be the son of Callista and Some Dude Unknown and a child by him and one of the Karlsson sisters would seem to satisfy the terms of the gambit (unless there are further conditions not yet revealed), making him a viable Plan B should Kane meet with a regrettable accident.

For the 'seen her pregnant' argument, it falls apart cause of how easily Olivia & MC accept the not-my-brother information. So they are probably very close in age to seth & thus their first memories involve a baby seth, not a pregnant Callista.

MC is mentioned as unique in having Callista's blood. Unless the 'designer child' theory by f96trooper is correct (I've had similar thoughts before - I don't see Veronica humoring Alexander's obsession otherwise. There must be something else.), Seth would fulfill the gambit at the same value as MC, no need for a back-up role. The difference in treatment could be due to his condition, but I don't think Seth is blood related to the MC either. Having 2 sons of Callista would not make sense for the setup & I'm not a fan of the idea 'genetic disease makes him a unviable canditate' Looking forward to what the dev can do with this Schrodinger's box. Very intriguing.

Wonder what instructions Olivia got from Callista.
Given the devs leanings & the paths setup, maybe Olivia is the real main MC on the sub path as the Real story, but It'd be interesting if we can see Callista's plans to keep her promise of always looking out for MC on the dom path, with Olivia's whole participation turning out to be for the MC's sake on Callista's orders.

PS: Went back & checked the Kiyomi-Seth scene in ch7, & Seth is wearing a chastity cage. It's a good way to maintain continuity of both sub & dom paths since the size can't be determined.

 

[Yotanbamix]

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The Physics of this intrigue me

That's circumstancial & very leading (the scene on the pier - the guy could be not the father, not Cole, not a DeKock, etc)
I think Cole & Callista being the parents was directly mentioned somewhere, but never specified if Cole is a DeKocK
Basically, it's still kinda up for grabs compared to Olivia.





For the 'seen her pregnant' argument, it falls apart cause of how easily Olivia & MC accept the not-my-brother information. So they are probably very close in age to seth & thus their first memories involve a baby seth, not a pregnant Callista.

MC is mentioned as unique in having Callista's blood. Unless the 'designer child' theory by f96trooper is correct (I've had similar thoughts before - I don't see Veronica humoring Alexander's obsession otherwise. There must be something else.), Seth would fulfill the gambit at the same value as MC, no need for a back-up role. The difference in treatment could be due to his condition, but I don't think Seth is blood related to the MC either. Having 2 sons of Callista would not make sense for the setup & I'm not a fan of the idea 'genetic disease makes him a unviable canditate' Looking forward to what the dev can do with this Schrodinger's box. Very intriguing.

Wonder what instructions Olivia got from Callista.
Given the devs leanings & the paths setup, maybe Olivia is the real main MC on the sub path as the Real story, but It'd be interesting if we can see Callista's plans to keep her promise of always looking out for MC on the dom path, with Olivia's whole participation turning out to be for the MC's sake on Callista's orders.

PS: Went back & checked the Kiyomi-Seth scene in ch7, & Seth is wearing a chastity cage. It's a good way to maintain continuity of both sub & dom paths since the size can't be determined.

You do get more information on the dom path. Last episode also confirmed the name "Cole DeKock" (when you talk with Otto).

 

[Krilin17]

Is there any mega link or pixeldrain link?

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

HeartBreakerGaming I would also add that it depends on what kind of relationship you want with a character. For example, if you want a romance route with Juliette, you have to be Dom/Evil. But you can probably have some kind of Juliette ending even if you're a sub too (it won't be romance though, maybe she would kill you too ).

Whether you're a dom or sub and pick juliette, if Kane goes on that sub after the gambit, he will get fucked up.

For the 'seen her pregnant' argument, it falls apart cause of how easily Olivia & MC accept the not-my-brother information. So they are probably very close in age to seth & thus their first memories involve a baby seth, not a pregnant Callista.

Not really, Olivia was already well on her way to figuring out Callista wasnt her mother, and unless Im on the wrong path, I dont even think that Kane received that information yet.

MC is mentioned as unique in having Callista's blood. Unless the 'designer child' theory by f96trooper is correct (I've had similar thoughts before - I don't see Veronica humoring Alexander's obsession otherwise. There must be something else.), Seth would fulfill the gambit at the same value as MC, no need for a back-up role. The difference in treatment could be due to his condition, but I don't think Seth is blood related to the MC either. Having 2 sons of Callista would not make sense for the setup & I'm not a fan of the idea 'genetic disease makes him a unviable canditate' Looking forward to what the dev can do with this Schrodinger's box. Very intriguing.

Kane is the child of two of the founders, his blood is infinitely more valuable than seth. Besides seth isnt even in a good enough condition to go through the gambit, it makes plenty of sense that they'd prefer Kane to Seth at the moment.

As for Cole being a dekock, Tess put his name like that in her relationship chart, so thats pretty much makes it canon.

 

[Assman_6969]

So with the new informantion of Kane having a sister, that means Cole has a daughter which ironically enough now shines a light upon something else I just mentioned today. If what Alessandra said was true and she only has 4 sisters, and if Veronica calls Astrid her sister, than that means that Veronica and Astrid have the same mother but different fathers. If both kids father is Cole that solves that particular mystery quite nicely. Only thing that makes me doubt that theory is the little pause veronica gives when Olivia asks her if Juliette is youngest. But thats my current theory at the moment.

Who do yall think Dom is talking about here? Alessandra or Veronica. An argument can be made for either one at this juncture

I would think that was made clear as hell with it bein my little sneaky bad bitch Alessandra. She is very good at looking good while being very bad! Hell just look at how freaked out Patricia was when she was rambling in her nervous inner monologue while walking to meet with her to show the girl in the box, her whole trip to meet her she is noid as hell hopin she isn't in a bad mood and sees she is opposite and is very relieved she was in a good mood. Oh and lets not forget she is hoping a sister gets mad enough to kill another so there is that little side note and has Pat act ways in public but not so much good ones in private we have been shown a couple times between the two ladies!

 

[gregers]

Olivia was already well on her way to figuring out Callista wasnt her mother, and unless Im on the wrong path, I dont even think that Kane received that information yet.

Olivia may have told Seth that she and he are not siblings on either path (sethnobroknows, player's choice), but only on the sub path has there been an opportunity for Seth to pass that information on to Kane (kaneawarebro), IIRC.

Of course he may have picked up several hints, not least from Olivia's behaviour.

 

[f96zonetrooper]

As for Cole being a dekock, Tess put his name like that in her relationship chart, so thats pretty much makes it canon.

Cole being a DeKock is mentioned by Otto in the secret meeting of Kane, Junko and Otto. ($ revolutionunlock = True)
(This should be the good dom Junko romance path.)

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If Kane has some points with Delilah (delilah_p >= 2), they have sex (creampie) in E5 in Kane's cell.
If Cole is Kane's father and Cynthia is Delilah's mother, then Kane and Delilah are cousins ... so maybe Cole should not be Kane's father to avoid cousin incest?

On the other side Cole and Dominique work together in a (secret?) project ... and Dominique says to Kane :
"And one last word about your father. I've heard that he was a very impressive man. I think you would be...err would have been proud to see him in action."

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Cole being a DeKock is mentioned by Otto in the secret meeting of Kane, Junko and Otto. ($ revolutionunlock = True)
(This should be the good dom Junko romance path.)

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If Kane has some points with Delilah (delilah_p >= 2), they have sex (creampie) in E5 in Kane's cell.
If Cole is Kane's father and Cynthia is Delilah's mother, then Kane and Delilah are cousins ... so maybe Cole should not be Kane's father to avoid cousin incest?

On the other side Cole and Dominique work together in a (secret?) project ... and Dominique says to Kane :
"And one last word about your father. I've heard that he was a very impressive man. I think you would be...err would have been proud to see him in action."

Reading that spoiler over just made me realize that Cynthias such a badass that she made michael take her name.
No idea why that just occurred to me

 

[Remembrance]

Reading that spoiler over just made me realize that Cynthias such a badass that she made michael take her name.
No idea why that just occurred to me

Michael's the DeKock kid right? Or his dad? Stefan will end up being a weak-willed incompetent jerk. In sub path cause he doesn't fit into the Femdom set-up & in dom path cause you can't allow another guy to circumvent the whole "only worthwhile man" thing the MC has going in every harem novel.
There's already a scene back in previous versions where She says he shouldn't be sure of his position:
cyn "Be quiet! Your lack of patience and wisdom only makes me that much more curious about him! Don't assume your future is set Stefan...it's not."
cyn "Any son of Cole and Callista is important to me...for obvious reasons."

If Kane has some points with Delilah (delilah_p >= 2), they have sex (creampie) in E5 in Kane's cell.
If Cole is Kane's father and Cynthia is Delilah's mother, then Kane and Delilah are cousins ... so maybe Cole should not be Kane's father to avoid cousin incest?

cyn "And Delilah, I trust you have not gotten too...close to anyone? And especially...you haven't fucked [pname]?"
de "No Mother, of course not!"

This was probably an early clue to many ppl thinking that Cole was related to the Dekocks.
I still think there's more than meets the eye here though, since the pier scene seemed intentionally vague about stating the guy as the father...
So what Cynthia thinks she knows about MC's parentage might not be the truth

Anyway, the answer you'll get here is about whether cousin incest counts & whether the dev included that when saying no incest.

So with the new informantion of Kane having a sister, that means Cole has a daughter which ironically enough now shines a light upon something else I just mentioned today. If what Alessandra said was true and she only has 4 sisters, and if Veronica calls Astrid her sister, than that means that Veronica and Astrid have the same mother but different fathers. If both kids father is Cole that solves that particular mystery quite nicely.

Oh, where's that info from??

Also, another thought I've had after learning about Astrid: Seth's condition seems to be a rare genetic condition & now we have 2 ppl with that condition. I wondered if they shared a parent or 2.

Also, Astrid & Kane cannot share a parent if there will be anything sexual between them, so hope not.
And if Astrid & Seth share a parent, that means Kane cannot be related to him either
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As for Cole being a dekock, Tess put his name like that in her relationship chart, so thats pretty much makes it canon.

Also I think the relationship charts are fan-made. Basically they are updated as we get more info I think. Releasing a chart with info not yet in-game would be huuuge spoilers. It was confirmed in this chapter but I think the old chart I saw (I haven't seen ch7 version of the chart) wasn't sure of it, hence my views on it being outdated (junko romance is such a narrow path).

Kane is the child of two of the founders, his blood is infinitely more valuable than seth. Besides seth isnt even in a good enough condition to go through the gambit, it makes plenty of sense that they'd prefer Kane to Seth at the moment.

Alexander was obsessed with Callista. Given his bestfriend knocked up his lover, I'd argue he'd prefer a child of Callista not related to Cole if such an option was available. Sure he's dead & might not have known about Seth & all that, but still, I don't agree with the less valueable theory.
After all it's Callista. I don't think any man she has a child with can be called of no consequence. Just look at her importance in the story.
Sure the genetic condition can be a factor, but limiting Callista's blood to one person would make the stakes higher.

So storywise it makes more sense if Kane was Callista's only blood-related child & she didn't get knocked up by another guy after leaving.
Also the hacker, most likely nadia, saying only the MC's blood can unlock the bracelet. (Though MC atm thought Seth& Olivia was Callista's blood too )


Here's pros for a wild theory:

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Anyway, it's all pretty vague.
I still think the 3 characters being not blood related would make for a better story.
I think 3 unrelated but raised together siblings would make the best storyline, & the key to the gambit should be only 1, no back-ups.
So Seth shouldn't be MC's back-up, but have another role in the gambit(Olivia too).

I think the 3 should be evenly unrelated, & not that MC & Seth are related but not Olivia.

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Not really, Olivia was already well on her way to figuring out Callista wasnt her mother, and unless Im on the wrong path, I dont even think that Kane received that information yet.

Seth-Kane convo:
p "Yeah, I trust your gut if you think so. So unless neither of you is Mom's...she's not a biological mother to one of you. Did she say who?"
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bro "No, and I don't believe she knows. I personally suspect she's not Mom's real daughter...given her rapid rise and situation compared to us."
bro "And that might impact you too...just think about it logically. You're not related the same way to one of us by default."

If Kane had seen Callista pregnant with Seth he wouldn't question who the unrelated child was. So it means Kane isn't sure if either Seth or Olivia is Callista's child, making the argument that he saw Callista pregnant void.

Olivia-Elena convo:
sis "He's not? How do you know for sure?"
ec "I just confirmed it with Veronica Karlsson. There is no doubt about this fact. She would not lie to me about something like this..."
sis "But how? And does he know?"
ec "No."
sis "Wow."
Olivia-Seth convo:
bro "But wait...what about [pname]? And Mom? That means that at least one of us isn't her biological child either. Which one of us isn't?"
sis "(He's...he's right! I was so shocked...didn't even think of it when told...) I...I don't know. I'll try and find out."

If either Kane or Olivia saw Callista pregnant with Seth, they'd have that confirmed. Yet all 3 are looking it from every angle. Ergo, they are not sure Seth is Callista's son by birth.