VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.2B Final] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[h4rt11]

Honestly just had no reason to comment until now lol, I don't usually voice my criticisms just for the sake of it, or to be mean but to include your parents in a porn game about "femdom" (when it's mainly just death and slavery) and how they shaped you into an inaccesible woman, I can not stress this enough; that takes some severe and genuine disconnection from reality. But as always, and I hope I'm Pleasantly surprised, most people will defend it because popular = good

 

[CollectorTivan]

Honestly just had no reason to comment until now lol, I don't usually voice my criticisms just for the sake of it, or to be mean but to include your parents in a porn game about "femdom" (when it's mainly just death and slavery) and how they shaped you into an inaccesible woman, I can not stress this enough; that takes some severe and genuine disconnection from reality. But as always, and I hope I'm Pleasantly surprised, most people will defend it because popular = good

Nah, nobody will defend her in that regard or at least that's what I think. She's not in most People's good graces here, most people here are exiles from her discord or even her support pages, exiled because of most ridiculous reasons ever.

But back to the game, did she really involved/mentioned her parents in this game? Can you share an in game screenshot of that lol that oughta be funny.

 

[Cybershot007]

you'd be surprised how it actually does work.
got you as a new guy ,telling how stuff "works" around here

Just because I don't write much doesn't mean I don't read much. I have been following this thread for almost 2 years and I am aware of all the events.

 

[Stan5851]

But back to the game, did she really involved/mentioned her parents in this game? Can you share an in game screenshot of that lol that oughta be funny.

I don't know where the information came from that she involved both parents in the game. As I recall, she mentioned that Yvette's personality was largely based on her own mother. But she didn't say anything about her father.

There was only a phrase that it was very painful/heavy for her to do the old man's humiliation scene (the scene with Dom Kane, Phoebe and Celeste from 0.8.2), because she loves her father very much...Really, in that case, it's not very clear why not just exclude that old man from that scene then, there were enough participants there already. But that's just a thought out loud.

 

[h4rt11]

Honestly, I think I mentally checked out while reading that part lmao—I barely remember it, and I deleted the game right after, so it’s a blur. But what stuck with me was her farewell speech at the end. She talks about staging a “murder or humiliation scene” involving one of the character’s fathers and reflects on how disappointed her own dad would’ve been?

Then it pivots into this weirdly personal monologue where she credits her parents for shaping her into a sadist. She says she’s not the kind of woman the average man could ever reach, and she delivers it all with this cold, theatrical flair that completely breaks the fourth wall (as a response to the guy saying it’s just femdom! There’s not much room for delusion when the fourth wall is broken)


Then a part where she talks about her mother—calls her the embodiment of elegance and femininity, someone who takes what she wants using nothing but her allure. And apparently, that same mother inspired one of the more twisted characters in the game. Also mentions how hard to please her mother is and how her fiance passed her high standards with ease despite her being a vixen...

She even credits them for giving her the drive and “work ethic” to do what she does and effectively to start an OnlyFans. That’s all said, dead serious, in the middle of a porn game.


So yeah, when people try to dismiss it as just femdom or shock value, I don’t think they’re really paying attention. The game drops the act at the end and tells you exactly what it is—and who she thinks she is. But I was just intending to be a counterweight, now that you tell me people aren’t really that stupidly fond of her, a weight has been lifted off my shoulders lol. I’m sure she said lots more weird things, this is just from me playing from basically the end of the game.

 

[h4rt11]

I appreciate a good centrist my friend, but isn’t the whole point of the thread to voice opinions?

There comes a point where lack of accountability breeds delusional people. Oh. And we’ve come full circle.

I’m new to this cringey drama and not interested in partaking to be honest, but you’re telling me that with all this criticism, she and others are still unable to grasp a healthy idea of reality? Don’t ruin my night like this.

Glorifying creators, celebrities, politicians, influencers, and sorry to say, random women just for existing (which is very common) is also very cruel to them and leads to a severe lack of accountability and sense of reality

 

[Kxca]

Honestly, I think I mentally checked out while reading that part lmao—I barely remember it, and I deleted the game right after, so it’s a blur. But what stuck with me was her farewell speech at the end. She talks about staging a “murder scene” involving one of the character’s fathers and reflects on how disappointed her own dad would’ve been?

Then it pivots into this weirdly personal monologue where she credits her parents for shaping her into a sadist. She says she’s not the kind of woman the average man could ever reach, and she delivers it all with this cold, theatrical flair that completely breaks the fourth wall (as a response to the guy saying it’s just femdom! There’s not much room for delusion when the fourth wall is broken)


Then a part where she talks about her mother—calls her the embodiment of elegance and femininity, someone who takes what she wants using nothing but her allure. And apparently, that same mother inspired one of the more twisted characters in the game. She even credits them for giving her the drive and “work ethic” to do what she does and effectively to start an OnlyFans. That’s all said, dead serious, in the middle of a porn game.


So yeah, when people try to dismiss it as just femdom or shock value, I don’t think they’re really paying attention. The game drops the act at the end and tells you exactly what it is—and who she thinks she is. But I was just intending to be a counterweight, now that you tell me people aren’t really that stupidly fond of her, a weight has been lifted off my shoulders lol. I’m sure she said lots more weird things, this is just from me playing from basically the end of the game.

Holy shit, you're correct. I usually skip over that end of the update dev talk, but I went back to check after this, and it was something else. She thanks her assistant, talks about her parents for some reason ( with a dose of gloating), and then gushes about her fiancé. Followed by humiliating some slaves.

Lady, you have just finished an update to a porn game, not won the Oscar. An entire thank-you segment blowing one's own trumpet isn't needed.
You make a product and we consume it. That's it. Why is there a need to tell your personal life story here

Spoiler: End of update speech from the script

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[Stan5851]

Glorifying random women just for existing (which is very common) is also very cruel to them and leads to a severe lack of accountability and sense of reality

Well said. I guess this one should be made the "pinned message" on her discord so that the overly loyal audience ready to lick her heels 24/7 will come to their senses a bit.

Holy shit, you're correct. I usually skip over that end of the update dev talk, but I went back to check after this, and it was something else. She thanks her assistant, talks about her parents for some reason ( with a dose of gloating), and then gushes about her fiancé. Followed by humiliating some slaves.

Lady, you have just finished an update to a porn game, not won the Oscar. An entire thank-you segment blowing one's own trumpet isn't needed.
You make a product and we consume it. That's it. Why is there a need to tell your personal life story here

"Pff! What kind of stupid questions are these? How, then, can you pathetic slaves with beta energy find out how wonderful and successful I am?"

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

yall gonna make me put on some chapstick :x

 

[AutismGOD69]

I used to really enjoy playing this game and explore options, but the more it went on, the worse it got honestly. Somewhere after 0.5/0.6 it just went to crap. The dialogue is nonsensical, all characters just become super unlikeable, and the story itself is a bloated mess with just weird shit thrown in for shock value or something idk. There are multiple scenes where there's a shitton of dialogue for the sake of something appearing on the screen that doesn't progress the story in any way, it's not even hot, a fucking ai would do a better job at writing honestly.

 

[Stan5851]

I used to really enjoy playing this game and explore options, but the more it went on, the worse it got honestly. Somewhere after 0.5/0.6 it just went to crap. The dialogue is nonsensical, all characters just become super unlikeable, and the story itself is a bloated mess with just weird shit thrown in for shock value or something idk. There are multiple scenes where there's a shitton of dialogue for the sake of something appearing on the screen that doesn't progress the story in any way, it's not even hot, a fucking ai would do a better job at writing honestly.

I don't know which route you're talking about, but in Dom's route the dialog is perfectly fine. The same goes for all the characters. Likewise, I can't pick on the main plot scenes available to everyone - they're all equally interesting and make sense within the overall narrative.

Yes, there are some scenes (for me) that I would have ignored or would have preferred a different cast (particularly the scene with Phoebe and Celeste, where Alessandra's presence is sorely missed and there are weird things like the bullying of the old man that I don't like either).

Rather, it's other things that annoy me. For example, the fact that we (Doms) still haven't gotten any serious content with Angelica, who is "T1" LI to us, the depth of relationship with whom should be comparable to any of the Karlsson sisters. Yes, we had a nice chat with her about what she thought of the psychological portraits/personalities of the other girls in Wpod, but that was clearly not enough.

So it would be nice to find a balance. And if SS Kane is “having fun” with her, it would be fair that a pure Dom Kane (for whom Angelica is an exclusive LI) also gets something of equal value, not just a 5 minute conversation at the end of the update.

Yes, I realize that developing a full-blown romance with her is more than just stepping on someone's head with a heel (or whatever Angelica is doing with sub Kane and SS Kane?), but still, I don't think we should drag this out too long or it'll be like with Olivia when sub Kane and npc like Zach and Jake were having fun with Olivia (yes, I realize that "fun" is highly questionable, but still) and Dom Kane was diligently saving up princess eyes pts waiting for it to happen. So in my opinion, dev shouldn't make the same mistake with Angelica's romance.

 

[MZy321]

I know this question is off-topic, but here it goes: I only know this one game that was developed by a woman. Are there any other adult games created by female developers? Another question would be: do women play adult games? Because it feels like this site is completely dominated by men

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

I know this question is off-topic, but here it goes: I only know this one game that was developed by a woman. Are there any other adult games created by female developers? Another question would be: do women play adult games? Because it feels like this site is completely dominated by men

Yes there are women around here. For games developed by women I have seen quite a few but I'd have to think really hard since I know devs by their moniker so I'd have to think hard on which ones are men and women.

You're probably looking at a 90-10 favoring men to 80-20 at best if being super generous for playerbase of lewd games. Even though women play video games more these days it still drastically favors men outside of certain genres. Men are also more visual so things like lewd games appeal to them more whereas written lewd material drastically favors women.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

I know this question is off-topic, but here it goes: I only know this one game that was developed by a woman. Are there any other adult games created by female developers? Another question would be: do women play adult games? Because it feels like men completely dominate this site

Plenty of games developed by women, one example is "Intertwined," It's just hard for a woman to do these things and post on here cuz they get harrassed

 

[CollectorTivan]

I know this question is off-topic, but here it goes: I only know this one game that was developed by a woman. Are there any other adult games created by female developers? Another question would be: do women play adult games? Because it feels like this site is completely dominated by men

Nekofaires the developer of maoa sama
Miss gore have made 7 games although all of them are in initial phase except rayne's reighn.

Plenty of games developed by women, one example is "Intertwined," It's just hard for a woman to do these things and post on here cuz they get harrassed

The thing is whenever it comes to women making games even criticism is taken as harassment mostly. I know there are actual harassers too but that's a problem for male developers too if they show any kind of weakness take luxee for example.
In the end if the developers know what they are doing with their games and if they know how to deal with their community effectively, they would never have to deal with such negative practices.
For example the two I mentioned above hardly get harassed for anything they are making or saying.

 

[AutismGOD69]

I don't know which route you're talking about, but in Dom's route the dialog is perfectly fine. The same goes for all the characters. Likewise, I can't pick on the main plot scenes available to everyone - they're all equally interesting and make sense within the overall narrative.

Mostly the sub route. I don't think I've played much of the "dom" route past 0.5, which wasn't so much of a dom route and more of a "not complete object" route, but even though that is to be expected in the setting it's still somewhat underwhelming and judging from comments and because evil dom afaik is mostly non existent (correct me if I'm wrong I haven't played it and is just judging from feedback) I've not really bothered going through it.

Going back to my original point the dialogue specifically for the sub route is very suboptimal at places and to me at least is not very exciting. At some point it mostly goes to Olivia's POV and the Kane side of things feels like and afterthought. Not sure if I'm getting my point across, but it just feels like there's been zero character development for sub Kane and his dialogue is ok at best.

The other thing I really don't like is world building, not overall story/setting, just the world of the game itself. There's so many locations in the game, which isn't a problem, but some don't really have a purpose other than to just exist so that a certain thing can take place in a certain place (which adds a lot of bloat) and the way they are connected to each other is... well not good really... We're going from one place to another and back without much real purpose which to me just makes the whole thing a bit disjointed.

That's at least my feedback and all things considered it is a porn game so, meh...

 

[kinkyshin]

Mostly the sub route. I don't think I've played much of the "dom" route past 0.5, which wasn't so much of a dom route and more of a "not complete object" route, but even though that is to be expected in the setting it's still somewhat underwhelming and judging from comments and because evil dom afaik is mostly non existent (correct me if I'm wrong I haven't played it and is just judging from feedback) I've not really bothered going through it.

The dom route is amazing.
Only the secret sub route is underwhelming.

Going back to my original point the dialogue specifically for the sub route is very suboptimal at places and to me at least is not very exciting. At some point it mostly goes to Olivia's POV and the Kane side of things feels like and afterthought.

Kane is essentially a slave especially on the sub route. To show what's happening at the top of the company, of course you're going to have to see from other character's perspectives...

Not sure if I'm getting my point across, but it just feels like there's been zero character development for sub Kane and his dialogue is ok at best.

This isn't a kinetic novel. You make the decisions for Kane, so what sort of character development are you looking for?

The other thing I really don't like is world building, not overall story/setting, just the world of the game itself. There's so many locations in the game, which isn't a problem, but some don't really have a purpose other than to just exist so that a certain thing can take place in a certain place (which adds a lot of bloat) and the way they are connected to each other is... well not good really... We're going from one place to another and back without much real purpose which to me just makes the whole thing a bit disjointed.

That's at least my feedback and all things considered it is a porn game so, meh...

There's really not that many places... I don't even know what you mean by that.
Everything is happening in southern Africa. In the west is where the Karlssons are. In the east is where the DeKocks are. Somewhere in between is New Paris. And north of that (central and northern Africa) is the wastelands.

I don't think you would find the story so disjointed if you played all the routes like most of us do.

 

[AutismGOD69]

There's really not that many places... I don't even know what you mean by that.
Everything is happening in southern Africa. In the west is where the Karlssons are. In the east is where the DeKocks are. Somewhere in between is New Paris. And north of that (central and northern Africa) is the wastelands.

There's a literal shitton of places... you can't be real. We're going from palaces to villas to boats to submarines, space stations, caves and none of them seem connected or have any real purpose. How are they connected? Who knows, who cares. Jumping from one place to another so quick it gives you whiplash.

This isn't a kinetic novel. You make the decisions for Kane, so what sort of character development are you looking for?
...
I don't think you would find the story so disjointed if you played all the routes like most of us do.

Implying I have to play literally all the routes to get a good grasp of the story just proves my point... The idea is to make decisions and still get a complete story. I wouldn't mind going over different routes if they were enjoyable (to me), but having to go sit through (mostly) mediocre renders and not much added value just so that you get a good understanding of the story is just ass.

Either way I don't want you to change my mind, that's just my feedback and if you enjoy the game I'm glad you do, I'm just saying for me personally it has gone from a solid 7/10 to a mediocre 5/10 (also the sex scenes/renders are very mid for a game in this day and age)

 

[kinkyshin]

There's a literal shitton of places... you can't be real. We're going from palaces to villas to boats to submarines, space stations, caves and none of them seem connected or have any real purpose. How are they connected? Who knows, who cares. Jumping from one place to another so quick it gives you whiplash.

I don't even know how to respond to this... but I can say that you're the first person I've seen on here make this bizarre complaint.

Implying I have to play literally all the routes to get a good grasp of the story just proves my point... The idea is to make decisions and still get a complete story. I wouldn't mind going over different routes if they were enjoyable (to me), but having to go sit through (mostly) mediocre renders and not much added value just so that you get a good understanding of the story is just ass.

No, I don't think you have to, but certain things would be more clear. If you don't like the story, then you don't like it, and that's okay. I don't think there's a whole lot of bloat to this story at all though. The dialogue is very concise.

Either way I don't want you to change my mind, that's just my feedback and if you enjoy the game I'm glad you do, I'm just saying for me personally it has gone from a solid 7/10 to a mediocre 5/10 (also the sex scenes/renders are very mid for a game in this day and age)

Okay, why did you even bother leaving a comment if you don't want people to respond? You could've chosen to give a review instead of leaving a comment btw, in which case no one can respond to that except with giving it a like. Maybe that's what you should've done lol. And popular opinion btw is that the story keeps getting better.

 

[Maviarab]

The fuck is going on with this site this week.